Echostar defaults on 97W FCC license

[nelson61]

Echostar has apparantly defaulted on their FCC license to launch a KA satellite to 97W ( null and void on March 8)

Echostar FCC license for 97W.

Directv immediately filed for a KA license for that location. (application filed March 9)

Directv FCC license applicaton for 97W

 

[buckchow]

Fun, fun, fun. There I was in the Nimiq 5 thread speculating that Dish should want the 97W slot for Ka-band (and 105W) and they had been sitting on a request for it for over 5 years. Never would have guessed it. Their heads must have been screwed on a bit straighter back in 2003.

Any sign of claims relating to Ka-band at 105W on that site?

 

[digiblur]

Fun, fun, fun. There I was in the Nimiq 5 thread speculating that Dish should want the 97W slot for Ka-band (and 105W) and they had been sitting on a request for it for over 5 years. Never would have guessed it. Their heads must have been screwed on a bit straighter back in 2003.

Any sign of claims relating to Ka-band at 105W on that site?

SES Americom already has a KA spotbeam bird at 105W.

SES AMERICOM - AMC-15

 

[Hemi 6.1]

SES Americom already has a KA spotbeam bird at 105W.

SES AMERICOM - AMC-15

Whats it for TV?

 

[buckchow]

SES Americom already has a KA spotbeam bird at 105W.

SES AMERICOM - AMC-15

Thanks. Looks like Echostar has that entire satellite leased, Ka and Ku. Definitely seeing a pattern here. Echostar leases or owns satellites at 85W, 105W and 121W that have Ka-band transponders, but none of the Ka-band hardware is being used. Wouldn't be surprised if there are other satellites to add to that list.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

Thanks. Looks like Echostar has that entire satellite leased, Ka and Ku. Definitely seeing a pattern here. Echostar leases or owns satellites at 85W, 105W and 121W that have Ka-band transponders, but none of the Ka-band hardware is being used. Wouldn't be surprised if there are other satellites to add to that list.

Maybe Now we'll Have ,
Eastern Arc 61.5,72.5,77
Central Arc 85,105,110
Western Arc 119,121,129
Then E* can make things more difficult, and have 1000.2,1000.4 and now a 1000.6 .

 

[MikeD-C05]

The 85 , 105 and 121 sats are being used for the Echostar VIP service .

http://www.echostarfixedsatellite.com/

 

[Hemi 6.1]

The 85 , 105 and 121 sats are being used for the Echostar VIP service .

Echostar Fixed Satellite - Home

What is that exactly? I read it but its not in idiot terms for me. Whose uses these?

 

[MikeD-C05]

I believe from the reading , that they use it for government agencies , also broadcasting for companies and for the VIP service that is used for small cable companies that want to use echostar for their main video service, set top boxes etc. Read here for the VIP service.

Echostar ViP-TV - Home

If you look under satellite services on the bottom of the home page, you will see it takes you back to the first page I posted.

 

[Stargazer]

So I guess Dish didn't need 97? I bet they were not happy when Directv applied for the license at 97 the day after Dish's license expired.

 

[apollog]

I believe from the reading , that they use it for government agencies , also broadcasting for companies and for the VIP service that is used for small cable companies that want to use echostar for their main video service, set top boxes etc. Read here for the VIP service.

Echostar ViP-TV - Home

If you look under satellite services on the bottom of the home page, you will see it takes you back to the first page I posted.

You hit it right ON the nail. Echostar uses these Sat. locations for government, movie theaters and corporate companies. I believe Shell Oil has a channel on the 121 location for training purposes.

 

[mike123abc]

So I guess Dish didn't need 97? I bet they were not happy when Directv applied for the license at 97 the day after Dish's license expired.

If Dish wanted it all they had to do was build a satellite. They were probably playing dirty pool as it is, just letting it expire instead of giving it up earlier when they realized they were not going to use the slot.

 

[HDRoberts]

Makes sense. 32 degrees from 129, 35.5 from 61.5 Probably neither arc could see 97 with a (reasonably sized) single dish solution. Why not stick DirecTV with the task of upgrading everyone's LNB and maybe dishes to see 97W. Instead, I think Dish is content with reverse DBS.

 

[Smith P.]

You can add to that - no one of Dish receiver/LNBF/switch have Ka support. It's huge drawback to attempt utilize Ka, when DTV have full set for support Ka reception in all new receivers.

Regarding hot spot what Dish began dreaming long time ago - 104.5W. They're insert in system tables its NID and some version of software have it.

 

[Stargazer]

Or maybe its time for Directv to hold the slot for a while and do nothing with it either.

 

[nelson61]

82 MHz bands

I was thinking that maybe Dish had cut a deal for the three Directv transponders at 110W in return for dropping out. So, I started digging thru the Directv filings. I could not find anything about Dish/Directv but did find something else of interest concerning new bandwidth technologies in the BSS KU service.

Directv 13 (the replacement scheduled for 110) has a switching system that allows use of what I would call a SUPERBAND. They can run 3 standard 24 MHz bands, or two 36 MHz bands or one 82 MHz band. The EIRP more than doubles when they run the 82 MHz band.

 

[Smith P.]

I would like to see which sat-tuner will handle 82 MHz tpn.

 

[Stargazer]

So their trying to get as much bandwidth out of those three transponders as possible at 110 to make that satellite worth its while.

 

[nelson61]

They can only fit into 3 regular tpns bandwidth, but the problem is 2 of them with one polarization and one - with opposite; it would overlap with one of Dish tpn.

They are all even. 28,30,and 32 at 12618, 12647, and 12676 so no problem with polarity.

The 36 MHz will be at 12624 and 12670

The 82 MHZ will be at 12647.

Only can use one type at a time.

 

[Smith P.]

Yeah, my bad - didn't check the charts before posting.

I think FCC mandate 24/36 MHz tpn for Ku BSS.