Thanks
I want to post what I now know first I want to thank Iceberg for steering me to someone who responded to me Thanks Rob. Next buyer beware. I have a different idea of what open box means than what gosatellite does. Open box to gosatellite can mean a physical damage but they don,t tell you that. At the time of purchase not until it arrives and you try to get an RMA. I was told the receiver was checked out and it works, haven't checked it out. I did buy it discounted but openbox didn,t expect physical damage maybe I should have.So I would say if you buy open box from gosatellite ask what that means. I would have thought it might have been missing something, manual cables ETC now know better. So now I'am going to check out it see how it works and tape the front panel on. Not burning bridges once burned twice smart.