Help getting new TV in future

They had it for $1599 with stand last night on TV (Electronic Connection Show) and probably will have it again, I was tempted
Mitsubishi 65" 1080p DLP HDTV & Stand w/ $100 Rebate ShopNBC.com

I have that exact TV. I purchased it last month and I am VERY pleased. I got mine off of TigerDirect (w/ stand) for $989+shipping (they had an excellent sale going on). Excellent PQ and enough inputs for me to do what I need with (my HDMI is handled by my receiver, however).
 
I haven't seen any solid numbers but I would guess your looking at 5-7 years and when the do break down, getting parts will be difficult.


Most of the new TV'S will last a lot longer than this. If all goes well with the set it can last you 20-25 years or maybe even longer depending on how many hours you watch it.

The problem is that most of these TV's are not given the chance because of the urge to get " the next best thing"
 
At CES, this year the Sony KDL55XBR8 was named product of the year by the Home Theater Specialists Association.:D
 
20-25 years? Is that a SWAG?

I've been going under the assumption that these things will last about 10 years, but that's based on other opinions I've read. Never seen a study.

I certainly agree, newer-better-cheaper technology will move these TVs to secondary locations or out of the house before they'll likely dim too much or fail.
 
20-25 years? Is that a SWAG?

I've been going under the assumption that these things will last about 10 years, but that's based on other opinions I've read. Never seen a study.

I certainly agree, newer-better-cheaper technology will move these TVs to secondary locations or out of the house before they'll likely dim too much or fail.

First, I agree it is technology that downgrades the TV. A lot of folks have also gotten into the mindset that any failure is the end of the TV, and with a minor repair costing a couple hundred bucks, it isn't hard to see why.

Industrial electronics have lifetimes of decades. I honestly think that most televisions, while not built to those standards should have a lifetime of 10-20 years. I have had TVs last 25 years, although one could argue that by definition that would be a 25 year old design and not relevant to the discussion :)

However, newer sets should be more reliable due to more parts integration and better assembly techniques. I suspect that the biggest failure points on modern sets are cracked screens on LCDs and power surge issues.

Personally, I would have no problem planning for a ten year set.
 
However, newer sets should be more reliable due to more parts integration and better assembly techniques. I suspect that the biggest failure points on modern sets are cracked screens on LCDs and power surge issues.
The modern failure points are actually cracked printed circuit boards (or lead-throughs) and cooked components because the mounting options aren't as flexible as they would appear (mounting over a fireplace is not an ideal location).

Wave soldering is nowhere near as robust as wire wrapping.

The average will go down because you simply can't get replacement parts and component level replacement usually means big money as each component is integrated with a bunch of others.
 
Even with the major brands, 5 years past the end of the manufacturing will result in no parts available. I would not expect to be able to fix any set 6 years after you buy it. Everything is a custom part, they are all shaped to go into the particular set and the technology changes every year. The non brand name sets do not even carry parts past year 2.
 
The modern failure points are actually cracked printed circuit boards (or lead-throughs) and cooked components because the mounting options aren't as flexible as they would appear (mounting over a fireplace is not an ideal location).

We can only blame ourselves for the heat issues. Manufacturers give ventilation requirements that everyone promptly ignores. Maybe you shouldn't jam that new receiver or BD player into a shelf space exactly the size of the case. Aside: most fireplaces are seldom used, other than as a selling point to market the house.

Everybody went ga-ga over that ultra thin tv at CES. What thermal compromises were needed to meet that spec. We just finished a thread where people were complaining because a certain plasma set had a cooling fan. These suckers need air to live, and we keep suffocating them.

That gets furthered by a certain product getting a reputation for running hot, or being noisy, so the manufacturer is forced to cut margins in order to address the rep. Everybody says Onkyos run hot, and people give anecdotal evidence that they are hot to the touch. After awhile, everyone believes it and it is then a "fact". A lot of it is bogus. First, I have measured my well ventilated Onkyo multiple times now and never found a temp that exceeded 105 deg F. Second, the statement "feels hot" is meaningless. For example, a metal case encourages heat transfer, both out of the unit and also has good heat conduction to your hand. A plastic case insulates the unit so heat stays inside. It also has poor conductivity to your skin. Thus the plastic case unit feels cooler to the touch, but in fact the interior temperatures are significantly higher.

Wave soldering is nowhere near as robust as wire wrapping.
First, when was the last time you saw something wire wrapped in production? Soldered lugs were less reliable if anything, because they were all individually soldered by line workers. I fixed more than a few cold solder joints in TVs in my youth.

Wave soldering is not less robust than through wiring, nor is it worse than point to point. If it was, MIL SPEC would not allow surface mount components. In my many years at HP/Agilent surface mount was never a reliability problem and we put those boxes out in mini subs in the bering sea, down volcanos, and even up in the ISS.

The problem is that ten years ago Sony decided to offshore manufacturing to southern Asia and went low bid on the contract manufacturers. These manufacturers seemed to think that they didn't need process or manufacturing engineers. Further, they turned the temps down to save energy. Result was poor bonding, and a reputation for bad reliability in wave soldering. (see reputation discussion above)

The average will go down because you simply can't get replacement parts and component level replacement usually means big money as each component is integrated with a bunch of others.

Are you trying to tell me that TV sets of the '50s-'70s were more reliable than today??? Perhaps you are old enough to recall the tube tester in every drug store and supermarket. And discrete components were no picnic either. They were more failure prone, and the current levels were high enough that any failure meant several other components blew in sympathy. Finally, that TV generally had all its capacitors dry up at about ten years, or the CRT went out , leading to a repair cost that exceeded the price of a new one, so no gain there either.

Larger components are expensive and often single sourced. They also obsolete quickly and there is no requirement for a service life in consumer electronics. That is a real problem. However, the components themselves are significantly more reliable
 
20-25 years? Is that a SWAG?

I've been going under the assumption that these things will last about 10 years, but that's based on other opinions I've read. Never seen a study.

I certainly agree, newer-better-cheaper technology will move these TVs to secondary locations or out of the house before they'll likely dim too much or fail.

Displays rated life is based on their half-brightness. This doesn't mean a person will keep or use or that the TV's practical life is that long. The half-brightness theory comes from the feeling that the picture is to dim it is too expensive to repair. An example would be a DLP with color wheel. The chip lasts forever, the bulbs are replaceable, so you have a theoretical life eternal. When the color wheel goes out between 5 and 10 years, the 1100 buck repair is a bit of a stretch.
Many modern plasmas and LCDs have backlights rated a 60000 hours which is 8 hours a day for 20 years.:D
 
Most of us that use these forums will likely have a new TV for primary viewing in the next five years anyway if only for one of these reasons: higher resolution, wireless connectors, larger size (for price), Internet connectivity, 3D capabilities, and who knows what other technological innovations. Our current living room/HT TV will end up in a guest room, game room, kids room, den, where it will enjoy a longer life due to more limited use.

The idea of needing a TV to last ten years, unless you don't ever plan on keeping up with the "next big thing," is almost moot.
 
This discussion has brought an image to mind:

A 61" TV set sitting at the curb with the garbage. I wonder how the trash collectors will react.
 
This discussion has brought an image to mind:

A 61" TV set sitting at the curb with the garbage. I wonder how the trash collectors will react.


" Damn this thing is HEAVY. Charlie, you and Jim get that end and Bob and I will get this end.":eek:
 
More likely, tho' we'll need to consign them to hazardous waste brokers, and that won't be cheap...! (I like how the Capitol 1 vikings handle it...!)
 

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