Introducing the Tablo ATSC 3.0 QUAD HDMI – A Tablo DVR for NextGen TV

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Correct, you need an EHD. I really don't see the allure of 3.0...are any sporting events being broadcast in 4k?
I am unaware of any 4K brodacasts of any kind.
 
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All the HDhomerun apps have been updated to convert the AC-4 audio if the device does not support AC-4 audio, so thats not an issue anymore.
That's only IF you can maintain an internet connection during watching. Because it decodes AC-4 in the cloud, and returns it to the device. No internet = NO AUDIO.
 
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Proud to say, i have no cloud storage or tracking and proud of it. Clear my cookies and cache daily. I hate being followed.
Even my cell phone tracking is off and never use maps or GPS. Phone and text only.
 
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Here in Connecticut our CBS looks amazing on the 3.0 feed when compared to the 1.0 feed

Scott, I must correct myself. I didn't have Microsoft's HEVC driver (costs 99 cents) installed at the time. Now I'm watching 3.0 using HD Homerun's Microsoft Store app and the picture on the 3.0 feeds is amazing compared to the 1.0 feeds.
 
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Oh boy, I wonder what this means for the future of Hd Homerun 4k tuners, and tv sets with 3.0 tuners already in peoples hands?

For that matter, I think it's not lawful to encrypt regular OTA signals.
Ok, I pm'ed Tablo on Facebook to ask them about it. Here's what I got:

ME:
I saw your post about the delay of the ATSC 3.0 Tablo, because of the new need to install "encryption keys" that you claim can't be loaded later via a firmware update. How can providers legally encrypt FREE OTA tv signals? IMO, they can't because it would obsolete all the 3.0 tuners already in the market. That is, IF the Tablo post on your website is true?

Tablo answer:
Hi Michael - Thanks for touching base about the addition of DRM to the Tablo ATSC 3.0 QUAD. Adding DRM does requires 'keys' to be 'burnt in' at the factory during manufacturing. While products that already have some level of DRM can have that updated later via software, this DVR did not have that in the original plans.

We don't have deep details on the specific types of ATSC 3.0 content that will get DRM encryption but that the A3SA is leading the charge and we wanted the product to have this support to ensure full compatibility with whatever happens in the future.

My reply to that:
That makes sense as a "just in case" scenario. However, I still don't think OTA providers will be allowed to encrypt OTA signals. Now, IF they do some sort of "pay tv" subscription with special channels, that's different. However, in that case, would the new Tablo be able to support THAT situation?

Tablo reply to that:
We are aiming for Level 1 Widevine compliance, which will allow us to support the full suite of ATSC 3.0 features.

My reply to that one:
That's awesome! Thanks.
 
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ATSC 3.0 is currently used to deliver PayTV in some cases. Evoca requires a separate receiver so the Silicondust ATSC 3.0 receivers and the current TV’s that have ATSC 3.0 tuners would not receive Evoca’s broadcasts.

Startup company Evoca, for instance, has taken over the digital spectrum of two low-power stations in Boise, Idaho, to provide more than 70 over-the-air channels of high-resolution subscription programming. It’s a virtual MVPD. But instead of relying solely on the internet to delivery video, Evoca mostly uses the ATSC 3.0 over-the-air broadcast standard. Evoca Early Access subscribers pay just $20 a month through the end of the year. Evoca plans to charge $49 for its service, which includes a free receiver, more than 45 channels and a free HD antenna that allows users to receive ATSC 1.0 broadcast signals over the air -- and avoid paying hefty retransmission fees to local TV stations.
 
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I've been watching very warily for the introduction of signing and DRM into 3.0. If it begins to appear and interferes with the ability to watch content on receivers like the HDHR-4K, the streams will be identified on RabbitEars with the standard "lock" icon used for encrypted streams. (See, for example, the Evoca stations.)

I'm not inherently opposed to signing to prevent tampering by a man-in-the-middle attack or something like that, assuming it works properly and doesn't impact the user. (Your connection to SatelliteGuys is encrypted and that doesn't require a fee or limit your usage, to give a sense of what I mean.) I am, however, opposed to DRM that restricts the availability of otherwise-free programming.

- Trip
 
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You think ATSC 3 exists out of the kindness and goodness of their hearts?
 
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ATSC 3.0 is currently used to deliver PayTV in some cases. Evoca requires a separate receiver so the Silicondust ATSC 3.0 receivers and the current TV’s that have ATSC 3.0 tuners would not receive Evoca’s broadcasts.

Startup company Evoca, for instance, has taken over the digital spectrum of two low-power stations in Boise, Idaho, to provide more than 70 over-the-air channels of high-resolution subscription programming. It’s a virtual MVPD. But instead of relying solely on the internet to delivery video, Evoca mostly uses the ATSC 3.0 over-the-air broadcast standard. Evoca Early Access subscribers pay just $20 a month through the end of the year. Evoca plans to charge $49 for its service, which includes a free receiver, more than 45 channels and a free HD antenna that allows users to receive ATSC 1.0 broadcast signals over the air -- and avoid paying hefty retransmission fees to local TV stations.
I have been using Evoca for about a month now. From what I can tell they do not have an agreement with any stations in Denver yet but deliver their channels and our regional sports channels via IPTV. In Denver they are charging $25 a month and $5 for the receiver. Price is guaranteed for 2 years.
 
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I must say, windows 11 is fast. I tried it out when it was first released, real fast with edge or mozilla firefox, looks like chrome in edge, which looks like Mozilla..
 
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