I see the "U" that was mentioned. All I know is that in the past I let my subs lapse past the 30 day "grace" period and ALN continued to come in. Maybe back then it was zk or fp and now it isn't. But at least everyone knows what I am getting at now. I have thought about getting a commercial receiver that could do the stuff that was mentioned above also. I just wasn't sure which one to look at. I know that they are much more expensive, but if bought at tax time one could be "affordable". Thanks for the input. I know I got a little off topic and apoligise for that. But there was a good conversation going and I wanted to take advantage of that for some viewpoints and answeres. I apoligise to any members that thought I was trying to do something against the law. Sometimes I do not explain myself very good and I apoligise for that. Have a great day!