OFFICIAL DISH / FOX ORDEAL DISCUSSION THREAD
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I can't believe you did it... How could you of all people 'loose' something???
Partying too much? lol
To much morgue
This thread has been like the grim reaper. Had to do something to try & lighten it up. All these people trying to turn this into the OMG E* is dead thread.
I don't see the big broadcast chains knuckling under to a 70% affiliate fee set up. Have a feeling we gonna see some management types tell FOX where they can stick it if they expect that kind of pay back.
This thread has been like the grim reaper. Had to do something to try & lighten it up. All these people trying to turn this into the OMG E* is dead thread.
I don't see the big broadcast chains knuckling under to a 70% affiliate fee set up. Have a feeling we gonna see some management types tell FOX where they can stick it if they expect that kind of pay back.
One also has to consider those that simply choose to consume content. Regardless of price.
Meaning if the game I choose to watch is on I would like to view it. Simple enough.
Awarding Charlie the right to negotiate how much my fries should cost in a Happy Meal has made me move on.
I tend to make these types of decisions myself. I don't need Charlie to claim he is defending me. I'm smarter than that. I can take care of myself.
As a result I simply move on to the provider that includes the content I choose to consume.
Ode to Charlie - stop using me as one of your pawns. I can take care of myself.
Meaning if the game I choose to watch is on I would like to view it. Simple enough.
Awarding Charlie the right to negotiate how much my fries should cost in a Happy Meal has made me move on.
I tend to make these types of decisions myself. I don't need Charlie to claim he is defending me. I'm smarter than that. I can take care of myself.
As a result I simply move on to the provider that includes the content I choose to consume.
Ode to Charlie - stop using me as one of your pawns. I can take care of myself.
Are these available on Dish Network? NOOkay, this is a really misleading list of "dropped" channels
Hey, I have owned four Hondas, but I don't hate Toyota nor do I need to "diss" Toyota online in order to make myself feel good about my car choice. That is why I have never said anything against DirecTV, because I have never had it in my house, so I cannot comment on it (other than I have checked pricing, and my cost for D* would be about $20 per month more without new customer promotion discounts).
So, concerning the list...
Numbers 25-47 have been off for 48 hours or so (and Dish offered to extend the existing contract during negotiations, which Fox refused, so it is Fox who dd the "dropping").
Number 9-23 are ancient dead channels partially owned by Dish that were essentially demo channels for HD. Now that every TV channel is in HD, we do not need special HD channels so we can say "Ooh it is HD !". We do not see Dish carrying a special "Color TV Channel" from 1964 either.
24 is a channel owned by a group of premium channels, and Dish still carries the rest of their channels, so they have simply decided it is not worth the cost and space. I never see "Give Me Back My Smithsonian Channel" so obviously hardly anyone watched it.
5 was a fake channel created by Dish to show how easily one could create a Weather Channel. The idea that you are calling it a "dropped" channel is hilarious !
8 was even more hilarious - possibly the worst TV channel of all time. It consisted of shows filmed on $29 camcorders starring $29 ho's.
SO, prior to this weekend, there was the Disney/ESPN HD channel dispute a few months ago, Fuse and GolTV. Dish has recently been in talks with GolTV, but the lack of action indicates that they still think it is over-priced.
Fuse is owned by MSG channel, and Dish is currently in a price dispute with MSG this weekend as well.
For those who of you who like to say "Why doesn't DirecTV ever have disputes", note that you could just as easily have said "Why don't Turner and NBC/Universal ever have disputes ??" Notice that no one has ever had to drop CNN or NBC due to a pricing dispute.
PS DirecTV has dropped more channels than just Versus - for example, they dropped "Trio" and then the channel went out of business a few months later...
Were These available on Dish Network? YES
Were These Channels Dropped over Charlie not wanting to pay the Bill. YES !!
Not misleading at all.
This is the list of Dropped channels. Period!!!
I don't care how much you want to sugercoat them.
Wow D* dropped 2 channels, One of which is back.
That still leaves 44 more unaswered drops from Dish in the past 3 years.
So even with all the addtional dish has added, D* still comes out on top in channel launchs in that time frame..
Want proof, Do the math, And don't even think about counting his VOD. Or you can Add 700 to D* list which is currently available right now in HD. 110 of which is 1080p and 70% of which is free.
I would love to see what else has vanished from DIsh in the past 10 years over billing disputes.
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While E complains of rate increases they themselves jacked up the extra receiver fees dramatically.
charlie is two faced in this regard....
charlie is two faced in this regard....
Yea, I just saw an ad with a warning that Cablevision will be losing the Fox channels come October 16th.
As I say, all companies engage in sometimes heated negotiations. The question is: how many channels are actually dropped for an extended period of time. Cablevision had the same (it appears) dispute with Disney that E* is now engaged in, difference is CV settled and the channels were lost only momentarily.
Rightly or wrongly, Charlie is standing up only for the size of his profit margin.
As I say, all companies engage in sometimes heated negotiations. The question is: how many channels are actually dropped for an extended period of time. Cablevision had the same (it appears) dispute with Disney that E* is now engaged in, difference is CV settled and the channels were lost only momentarily.
Rightly or wrongly, Charlie is standing up only for the size of his profit margin.
Obviously, I was poking fun at your grammar error.
I talked to my GM about the affiliate fee stuff and he said that website was a bunch of BS slanted at making the consumer feel that way and that the affiliates were cool with the fees the networks ask for, as they were getting nothing before the networks stepped in and started this practice, now they get something.
I was thinking the same as you, but he knows all the TV managers/Owners around here, so I suppose that isn't the case.
Everytime I think I might decide to return to Dish (I left in January 2010), I say no way because Dish is channel drop happy. You never know which shoe is going to drop next. I am now with AT&T, and they have some disputes of their own, but it's not a plague, like it is at Dish.
All i know is right now, those channels in question are fully gone. I don't have those sports channels as promised due to the effect of losing them. I managed to get 3 free months of HD Platinum out of Dish but IMO that isn't enough seeing how they just recently took all those Disney/ABC/ESPN HD channels from me.
What strategy have you guys used that were able to get $5 or $7 per month off? I tried to get them to give that to me and had no luck. They offered the multi-sports pack free for a month, which I thought they already gave to everyone.
If you and another party create a contract, yes, it's likely to be "a two way street". When one company creates it, odds are it will be written in their favor. In this case, Dish is offering something you want want, so they more or less hold the cards and write the rules. Your option is to go with someone else (who will have a similarly worded contract in their favor too).
Look at it another way: Instead of losing a channel or channels due to contract negotiations, what if a channel/network goes out of business. Should the provider let you out of the contract for something 100% out of their control ?
They offerred me HBO and Starz, they offerred me $15 a month for 6 months, they did not offer me the sports pack. All I wanted were teh Sabres games and this would have been a done deal. I asked if they could turn on Center Ice just until the MSG thing was settled. They wanted $171 to do that.
In the end we just couldn't come to an agreeable arrangement. I honestly did not want to leave, and no hard feelings at all, but it is what it is.
My D* install is scheduled for the 14th. It was really my only recourse right now for the current situation.
Oh, and strategy? Mind your manners. It's not the CSR's fault. They just have to deal with you on the phone.
They are working within limits set on them by the company they work for. Can't expect them to do more than that. In conversations like this I usually start off with "I have a problem that I'm hoping you can help me resolve". That way it's YOUR problem and they aren't immediately on the defensive. Remain calm and don't be one of the angry, demanding, nasty clients that they're obviously dealing with by the droves. It really does get YOU a lot farther almost all the time if you're the nice guy. I've had CSRs (not just at Dish) bend over backwards to help me when I've given THEM a pleasant experience on the phone.
So don't be a d**k
In the end we just couldn't come to an agreeable arrangement. I honestly did not want to leave, and no hard feelings at all, but it is what it is.
My D* install is scheduled for the 14th. It was really my only recourse right now for the current situation.
Oh, and strategy? Mind your manners. It's not the CSR's fault. They just have to deal with you on the phone.
They are working within limits set on them by the company they work for. Can't expect them to do more than that. In conversations like this I usually start off with "I have a problem that I'm hoping you can help me resolve". That way it's YOUR problem and they aren't immediately on the defensive. Remain calm and don't be one of the angry, demanding, nasty clients that they're obviously dealing with by the droves. It really does get YOU a lot farther almost all the time if you're the nice guy. I've had CSRs (not just at Dish) bend over backwards to help me when I've given THEM a pleasant experience on the phone.So don't be a d**k
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They offerred me HBO and Starz, they offerred me $15 a month for 6 months, they did not offer me the sports pack. All I wanted were teh Sabres games and this would have been a done deal. I asked if they could turn on Center Ice just until the MSG thing was settled. They wanted $171 to do that.
In the end we just couldn't come to an agreeable arrangement. I honestly did not want to leave, and no hard feelings at all, but it is what it is.
My D* install is scheduled for the 14th. It was really my only recourse right now for the current situation.
Oh, and strategy? Mind your manners. It's not the CSR's fault. They just have to deal with you on the phone.
So don't be a d**k
Truer words have never been spoken...
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