OK, so WHO is lying?

MikeD-C05

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Claude is right about one thing. I've never seen the rates drop ,even when they stopped carrying a channel or suite of channels, like AMC , IFC,WE ,Sundance channels. We didn't see the rate go down even the months we had none of those channels. Now it has gone up by $5.00 for every basic programming pack ,when we got them back . OF course the increase was not due to just AMC channels ,but I'm sure we didn't get HD versions of most of those channels by paying the same thing we were paying last year.
 

cardinalrooter

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When it comes to retransmission disagreements, Charlie seems to always get the better hand & the stations fold. Eventually a compromise is made and all is well til the next contract period.
 

Gemini217

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Recently in a wireless technology forum,I read that the iTV that Apple,Samsung and Google have (Having built in cellular antennas and oscillatory equipment when selected in certain models) has the CableTV,Telco and DBS industry in complete horror at what the wireless industry is going to become capable of in handing off all three (Triple Play) service,to any receiving end user (Paying customer)via Cell Tower and the industry upgrades to the new LTE transmission.In that article I read that the whole of the movie industry really owns most of the Cable Co.s and Satellite Co.s.Re: MGM,FOX networks,Etc....If this is true,I think that the real owners of the "Infrastructure Network" are purposely moving programming around and in to their network operations to offset income losses of any particular Network Operation they might own and have stock of. I think this is why one season Direct has what seems to be the killer programming pkg and then for a while Dish seems to have it and it goes back and forth all the time.Including the rifts between the Satellite industry and the Cable industry PR and Marketing advertisments. When then pondered,this makes the end user,move,resign new contracts,need new updated equipment,purchase new items and associated things,etc....This in turn provides the so called growth margins each Network operation can use to attract investors and the whole thing is what I now call "The Circle of Strife" for the end user. Predictable for the savvy investor and honestly,providing work for many people like us as techs.Because if these systems and programming would stay the same across the board of any Satellite or Cable/telco and be equal in may ways. Very few people would have opportunism to have a job in it. Another words,be happy the big guys that control and manipulate the whole network are doing all of this,or we would all be working at the local dog food factory's,making the same old thing day after day. Then finding ways to complain about the dog food industry.In the end the dogs don't care what they get to eat,as long as they get to eat,Why should we care what they do above us in programming changes and the rest,as long as we get to make a living within its framework.WE already have a jobless problem across the globe,somehow we gotta provide jobs for every one don't we ?

Look at it for what it is and work to understand it.
The scary one on the horizon as of now,if it's true...Is this new iTV that is sitting there in its creation and ready to decimate the cable,satellite and telco industry and all of its current workers.
If we can all have a TV that does our phone calls,our emails and browsing and our television programming,sitting on our couches,including our gaming and other little sparkles.By simply standing it up,plugging it in the the AC,Calling and telling Verizon or AT&T to turn on the football game on a phone call,without a tech visit and the rest.Peoples ? we are all in trouble as technicians then ? Scares the bejewels out of me as a life long technician,doesn't the thought of it,do it to you now that you know my spin ? About all that's left for any tech to do next, is going out to install really simple ,brain dead cellular boosters in homes and business's,which because it's such brain dead stuff to install,pretty soon the whole thing will be able to be simply installed by any homeowner,once they get a grip on how brain dead a cellular booster system is.At that point you'll see little cell antennas at the peaks of every home,within cellular tower range.The cellular tower industry has just ramp'd up building more of these puppies out there now. We all gotta get ready to migrate to the next level now,climbing up and mounting cell antennas soon. Satellite will still be here,less of a need,Cable Co.s will still be here for those that want "Hard Wired" Telco's will still be here for those that want "Hardwired also",for the most part of large segment of people will use Cellular in my opinion though,because of its simplicity. I am unsure if the bandwidth they have in cellular can carry the demand,but then again, why is it scaring the rest of the HSP industry right now.
 

Gemini217

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I need to add and finish with one huge thought,IF this new technology of cellular iTV creates more work for all of us in an age where we have a jobless problem. And I think it may and will proportionality.
Then it is all good and we shouldn't need to over think it and be overly concerned with any of it as of yet.
There will always be a need for any person that is technically inclined to help our brothers and sisters who don't understand technical things.
 

Tampa8

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Show me 1 programming dispute that resulted in lower rates to the customer?
That's a disingenuous argument. Other than Walmart's falling prices, when do prices go down period. The question is how much more would we be paying. Did costs to Dish go down during the period of time, like insurance, energy, material? They most likely went up. Just as bogus is the argument that prices didn't go down when we lost the AMC channels. First, Dish gave out credits and merchandise exceeding those costs to the consumer. The Roku continues to entertain many who otherwise would not have had it. But also, Dish doesn't raise prices every time they add channel or feature at that moment. Why would you expect them to reduce the cost at the moment.
 

patmurphey

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Claude is right about one thing. I've never seen the rates drop ,even when they stopped carrying a channel or suite of channels, like AMC , IFC,WE ,Sundance channels. We didn't see the rate go down even the months we had none of those channels...
That's not entirely true, Dish gave me a discount for a year and a free Roku for the shorter time that AMC was off.
 

budda

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That's a disingenuous argument. Other than Walmart's falling prices, when do prices go down period. The question is how much more would we be paying. Did costs to Dish go down during the period of time, like insurance, energy, material? They most likely went up. Just as bogus is the argument that prices didn't go down when we lost the AMC channels. First, Dish gave out credits and merchandise exceeding those costs to the consumer. The Roku continues to entertain many who otherwise would not have had it. But also, Dish doesn't raise prices every time they add channel or feature at that moment. Why would you expect them to reduce the cost at the moment.

I would agree with your point. In fact, I would add. I do not believe when any channel has negotiated. That Dish got the channel or group of channels for less. So why would the price go down. It is in most cases a fight over how much it will increase. Also somewhere back a bit in this thread there was a, why don't they pull the channel from OTA. They can't that would be illegal based on the broadcast license they have. People say that a company that is required to broadcast for free then tries to hold a company for money to do the same would be immoral. Think about it. The OTA channel gets advertising money within it's spot beam which Dish gets to people who would not otherwise get to see it. Now FOX wants basically a kick back from Dish in addition to the ad money. Pretty sweet if you ask me. Peace
 

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I would agree with your point. In fact, I would add. I do not believe when any channel has negotiated. That Dish got the channel or group of channels for less.
I stopped reading right there. Sorry, I couldn't deal with all the sentence fragments.
 

Bobby

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That's a disingenuous argument. Other than Walmart's falling prices, when do prices go down period. The question is how much more would we be paying. Did costs to Dish go down during the period of time, like insurance, energy, material? They most likely went up. Just as bogus is the argument that prices didn't go down when we lost the AMC channels. First, Dish gave out credits and merchandise exceeding those costs to the consumer. The Roku continues to entertain many who otherwise would not have had it. But also, Dish doesn't raise prices every time they add channel or feature at that moment. Why would you expect them to reduce the cost at the moment.
That's not entirely true, Dish gave me a discount for a year and a free Roku for the shorter time that AMC was off.
Did you stop reading just at the first sentence?
 

jbrelish

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Every time Dish looses a channel they cry wolf and blame it on the broadcasters and say they are demanding too much money.

You all know how the story goes.

Dish network and Directv both raise their rates every year, either on their core packages or in the fees they pass to the consumers.

If Dish was truly looking out for their customers, people would gladly put up with their channels being taken away because they would be paying lower rates.

The fact of the matter is that Dish continually puts their customers in the middle of programming disputes, yet at the end you still see programming increases.

So are the programming disputes Dish chooses to get involved with are to benefit the customer, or just to line dish networks pockets while not passing the benefit to the customer?

I don't see any savings to the customer when Dish gets into a contract dispute and drops channels. So why should we put up with allowing Dish to take away our channels?

Show me 1 programming dispute that resulted in lower rates to the customer?
Lower rates show themselves by not drastically increasing future rates. Dish already pays a current rate, if a retransmission rate was being negotiated for say a 25% increase and Dish balks and holds out for a 5% increase, that does not mean your current bill comes down. It just affects future customer rate increases.

Its like the Federal government(Democrats) saying there was a draconian tax cut whereas there was just a freeze at current rate(at that time) or a less of a tax rate increase than proposed.

As for Dish putting their customers in the middle, well yes you are correct. How could they not. Dish is in the business of retransmission, we buy that retransmission. Negotiations don't happen in a vacuum.

And as for raising rates, I don't know about you and where you live, but virtually EVERYTHING has gone up every year. I bet Dish would be overjoyed to not have contract increases. When I started with Dish I paid about $30-$40, now I pay $170. When I started driving I paid 27 cent per gallon of gas, now $3.79. So rate increases is really a stretch as for finding a complaint about Dish. That is unless you are one of those in the current culture who think everything should be free or provided to you.
 

jbrelish

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That's a disingenuous argument. Other than Walmart's falling prices, when do prices go down period. The question is how much more would we be paying. Did costs to Dish go down during the period of time, like insurance, energy, material? They most likely went up. Just as bogus is the argument that prices didn't go down when we lost the AMC channels. First, Dish gave out credits and merchandise exceeding those costs to the consumer. The Roku continues to entertain many who otherwise would not have had it. But also, Dish doesn't raise prices every time they add channel or feature at that moment. Why would you expect them to reduce the cost at the moment.
He wants to bolster his stance toward Dish by disregarding reality.
 

dare2be

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Its like the Federal government(Democrats) saying there was a draconian tax cut whereas there was just a freeze at current rate(at that time) or a less of a tax rate increase than proposed.
Bad example. There was a tax cut (referred to as the Bush tax cuts) roughly ten years ago. I assume that is what you are referring to? I remember it distinctly as I went from one year owing $1000 on my taxes to getting a $500 refund the next year, without any significant change in my income or withholdings or family status.
 

mike123abc

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The problem Dish faces is that no one knows for sure if their tactics have actually worked over the years. Would TV be more expensive without Dish? No one can really answer that question. Most of these contracts are also negotiated so that if someone gets a better price they get to match. So, essentially when Dish negotiates a better price DIRECTV probably gets it too.

It is like Walmart. Has Walmart managed to lower prices in general in the US? Probably since everyone has to compete with them.
 

Teehar

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???

Also, when you end a comment with "lol", the words that proceed it need to include something funny. And, FYI, your period key isn't working.
Now Gary,wouldn't that be precede not proceed? :D

Other than Walmart's falling prices, when do prices go down period
But!!Wouldn't it be so sweet to see Dish or any other provider have a rollback on prices!I guess the providers need to start importing channels from China.:D
 
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ZandarKoad

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But!!Wouldn't it be so sweet to see Dish or any other provider have a rollback on prices!I guess the providers need to start importing channels from China.:D
Dude, that is a gold mine right there. Soon, all Americans will have to learn Mandarin so they can understand what the debt collectors from China are saying when the come to repo the entire country. If a company were to position itself in such a way as to already have a huge selection of Chinese channels available at rock bottom prices... Cha Ching!
 

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