Pricing Update from Dish Network
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I was a bit worried because I have a 612 as my primary and a 722 as my secondary. I just spoke with a CSR who said that under the new plan, the most expensive receiver will be included as your free receiver and the less expensive one will be charged the extra receiver fee. Therefore, in my case I will be charged only the $10 (not $17) even though the 612 is my primary. That means my bill should go down by a couple of dollars.
That's what a DVR fee is, the fee for the hard drive. If you say that you are not going to charge for the DVR (hard drive), then don't tack it on somewhere else. I understand your logic, but they should not try to "hide" the fact that they are charging extra. Instead, they should just do away with the DVR fee altogether say that they are "including the DVR fee in the equipment rental cost."
Not to mention that Dish charges many folks $199 or more a feww to geta leased box, a fee that is not a deposit. The customer more then pays for the hard drive.
Dish is double dipping... or in this case triple dipping.
Very true. They should also do away with the up front cost if they are going to include extra fees in the rental. Or give customers the choice: Pay $99 up front and then no extra monthly fees, or pay nothing up front and pay an extra $7 per month for a minimum of 2 years.
Under the new pricing scheme, you would have to be out of your mind to purchase a receiver. They should definitely wave the fee for people who own their own receivers.
Here is what DISH should do to be fair.
Owned receiver = no monthly equipment fee. Zero, nada!
Up front $99 payment = DVR monthly fee the same as non-DVR ($7)
No up front fee, leased receiver = $17 per month
Sound fair? That would be similar to the pricing model of other products (housing, automobiles, etc.).
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OK Where are you Guys getting this $3 fee from?
Last I checked $17 from $12 is $5
Even AEP the fee is going from $7 -$17 now that they are Charging for DVR service.
Or $7-$10 on Solo DVRs. OK thats $3 But I bet Most HD DVR customers have Duo Receivers
So What is Increasing only $3?
Last I checked $17 from $12 is $5
Even AEP the fee is going from $7 -$17 now that they are Charging for DVR service.
Or $7-$10 on Solo DVRs. OK thats $3 But I bet Most HD DVR customers have Duo Receivers
So What is Increasing only $3?
The new charges will not show up in any bills issued in January.
Look at your bill issued in February, that will reflect the increase.
Look at your bill issued in February, that will reflect the increase.
My 2 cents on this new pricing structure:
For those of you that have 1 gazillion DVRs in your home, how much do you think the cable cos would charge you? Can't say on all areas but in mine, Comcast used to charge back in 2008 17.95 for the first and 24.95 for the second and so one - and that's for, IMHO, a very crappy Motorola DVR, far worse than the 722k that I currently own.
If I am understanding your complains correctly, Directv charges less for their DVRs if one wants to have a ton of DVRs home, so why don't you just move to Directv then? I played a bit with Directv's DVR and, IMHO, it can't compare with Dish 722k - no wonder Dish 722k is a PC Mag's editor's choice.
Like Scott says many times, Dish hardware rocks, and it's something that Dish Network should use more often on their promos.
I do not work for Dish, I have several issues with Dish, such as the fact that they don't have PBS in HD, if Directv was available to me in my buldings(NYC Metro area), I'd probably be a Directv subscriber due to the local RSNs in HD, but all that said, I think people should check their competitor's prices before making all these claims that the sky will fall, that they will pay much more.... Again, I am making these statements based on my unique situation, NYC MEtro Comcast area.
For those of you that have 1 gazillion DVRs in your home, how much do you think the cable cos would charge you? Can't say on all areas but in mine, Comcast used to charge back in 2008 17.95 for the first and 24.95 for the second and so one - and that's for, IMHO, a very crappy Motorola DVR, far worse than the 722k that I currently own.
If I am understanding your complains correctly, Directv charges less for their DVRs if one wants to have a ton of DVRs home, so why don't you just move to Directv then? I played a bit with Directv's DVR and, IMHO, it can't compare with Dish 722k - no wonder Dish 722k is a PC Mag's editor's choice.
Like Scott says many times, Dish hardware rocks, and it's something that Dish Network should use more often on their promos.
I do not work for Dish, I have several issues with Dish, such as the fact that they don't have PBS in HD, if Directv was available to me in my buldings(NYC Metro area), I'd probably be a Directv subscriber due to the local RSNs in HD, but all that said, I think people should check their competitor's prices before making all these claims that the sky will fall, that they will pay much more.... Again, I am making these statements based on my unique situation, NYC MEtro Comcast area.
I think cool heads on this board agree with this and the few other similar posts -- I tend to agree with this, too, though I fired off a snail mail to Mr. Ergen - film and gory details at 11. However, I think there's "deception" regarding the DVR fees fueling most everyone's frustration here. In one breath, they now say a $6 DVR fee per account giving the appearance they are on the same level as DirecTV. But in another breath, they now have these tiered additional receiver fees with "duh" DVRs being the priciest. The "sales pitch" to us is that it simplifies your bill's appearance. As some others have stated, it IS -- for multiple DVR customers -- double dipping, and wreaks of unethical.
Eric
The old additional receiver fee was $7 for TV1 and $5 for TV2. They seem to be going to a $7 per tuner structure now. So a 222 is $14. Whats makes the 722 worth $17? It should only cost $14 like the 222, since you are already paying their so-called $6 whole house DVR fee. So technically they are charging an $3 for the DVR.
You are right in saying that it is actually $5 more than the old fee though.
I would agree with you that the Dish 722k is an incredible machine. I've had the crappy Time Warner Scientific Atlanta DVR (which was free, with only a $6/month DVR fee when I had it), I've had the DirecTIVO, and I've had the 622 and 722k. IMO and by far, my 722k is hands down the best DVR I've ever used.
Now that Dish is increasing the early termination fee, I'd be looking at a penalty of $245 to make the switch to DirecTV.
I don't have "1 gazillion DVRs". I have 2 (a 722k and a 622), running 4 TV's (2 HD and 2 SD), which I believe is a fairly reasonable number that represents an increasing number of "average" homes. I'm looking at a price increase of $6.01/month. Now sure I'm not thrilled about that, but that in itself does not bother me. It is the way that Dish is approaching this that bothers me.
They are saying that they're charging (1) DVR fee, but that's not true. All they've done is wrapped up the additional DVR fees into one ginormous additional receiver fee to "simplify" things. They also say that they've increased prices less than other providers. But I don't buy that either. Having had TW, D* and E*, the largest annual price increase I've ever had with any of them was $3.00. This is more than double that amount.
So it's not so much the price increase that bothers me, as it is the way they're trying to make it sound like they're doing me a favor. If you're going to increase my prices, don't make it sound like it will "simplify" anything for me. Be honest and say, "We've decided to charge you $17 for your receiver because we're greedy and we can."
I think the early termination fee you agreed to at the time you became a subscriber (or upgraded) will govern how much you will pay for an early departure from your commitment.
Actually for some folks its triple dipping, because Dish charged them a fee of $99, $199 or in some cases $299 to lease a HD DVR. That money was not a deposit on the hardward. WHAT WAS THAT MONEY USED FOR AND WHERE DID IT GO TO?
The same for people who purchased their receivers. They paid for them, so why are they now paying more for hardware that they already OWN.
In those cases I feel Dish is triple dipping.
Thats what happen to me, changed to dish in sept after 15 years with direct tv
with the aep the second 722 was only 7.00 per month and the installer talk me into it so i payed the 199.00 now 5 months later its going to cost me 17.00 .
plus the 6.00 dvr fee less the 2.99 price drop
To say the least I am not happy. I will drop some programing..
it is triple dipping
Dish decided that they wanted to capitalize on having the best hardware, knowing that many wouldn't switch providers because the others do not have as good of hardware as they do. When their hardware does improve though, Dish will have to adjust their prices accordingly if the competition is cheaper.
Dish knew they could do this because of what competition does charge. Dish is trying to make as much money off of one receiver where the other providers require two.
Dish knew they could do this because of what competition does charge. Dish is trying to make as much money off of one receiver where the other providers require two.
Yes, it is triple dipping. Do the cable companies charge an upfront fee to use their DVR? Wow, if $17 per month can't cover their costs then something is wrong here. That is $204 per year. They break even in probably 2 years after paying an installer to install it (which they are getting paid less soon). WIth an upgrade fee they probably break even in just a little over a year. After that its $17 in their pockets. It takes $30 worth of programming for them to equal that much they get to keep after paying the stations their money.
And yes, it is a $3 DVR fee. What else could it be? Its a DVR, it costs $3 more. Its $1.50 per tv whereas the first is $3 per tv. This is probably why Dish think's its ok, because the cost for the DVR per tv is low. The thing is, Directv charges a TRUE $7 per account fee which makes it ZERO for each additional one, just pay the $5 fee for the additional box. A Dish Network version of a single tv output DVR receiver would be $10 per month (can't compare it to the $17 one because they do not have a dual tv output receiver to my knowledge). I heard that they tried those and had too many problems from what an installer told me a while back.
And yes, it is a $3 DVR fee. What else could it be? Its a DVR, it costs $3 more. Its $1.50 per tv whereas the first is $3 per tv. This is probably why Dish think's its ok, because the cost for the DVR per tv is low. The thing is, Directv charges a TRUE $7 per account fee which makes it ZERO for each additional one, just pay the $5 fee for the additional box. A Dish Network version of a single tv output DVR receiver would be $10 per month (can't compare it to the $17 one because they do not have a dual tv output receiver to my knowledge). I heard that they tried those and had too many problems from what an installer told me a while back.
That's something that I forgot in my comments, and you are 100% correct. The fact that Dish and Directv charge a initial lease fee for their top-of-line receivers. To charge a fee for a receiver one owns, that's something else that, it's my belief, could be further discussed with Dish, but one would need to read the contract that s/he signed originally at the time of the purchase. Either case, it appears to me, it's the price some people are willing to pay to have the latest/greatest technology, similar to those that paid over 100k for Plasma Tvs something like 10 year back or so - I still recall a Pioneer Plasma TV being offered at J&R for like 120K or so....
Then again, it's a free country, so you made a decision of putting up the monies to lease the receiver from Dish. You could easily have stayed with cable instead. Or, if it's available to you, you could have subscribed to the teleco tv. You just thought that the, say, 299 lease fee was worth it.
fyi>> In my case, I got one 722k and one 211k without having to pay an initial lease fee. Then I paid the 39.95 to add a HD to the 211k and have my 211k behave as a single HD DVR. Again, advantage Dish when I compare to my other available option, Comcrap. I used to have 2 HD duo DVRs with Comcrap, now I have a single one and a duo one and i'm still saving, even considering new fees, +- 20 dollars, maybe 19.
Now one thing that I am not understanding on various comments here: Is Dish increasing their contract breakup fee for their existing customers? It's one thing to start charging, whatever, 1000, for their future customers, but increase that fee for existing ones, that's something that, it's my belief, can be easily legally challenged(although it's probably one of those that would have to be dealt on a state-by-state basis).
After reading through this i'm pretty confused at what, if any, the changes to my account will be. This is my current situation:
Clasic Gold 250: $57.99
Gold HD: $10
DC Locals: $6
DVR Service Fee: $5.98
HD Solo Receiver: $7.00
DVR Advantage Credit: -$3
My Equipment:
VIP 622 (Leased)
VIP 722 (Own)
VIP 222 (Own)
Clasic Gold 250: $57.99
Gold HD: $10
DC Locals: $6
DVR Service Fee: $5.98
HD Solo Receiver: $7.00
DVR Advantage Credit: -$3
My Equipment:
VIP 622 (Leased)
VIP 722 (Own)
VIP 222 (Own)
new ones
New pricing would be 6 DVR fee then program price and 17 for the 622 & 14 maybe for the 222. I could be wrong on the last one.
Looks like your current bill is not showing any fees for the 622 (or 722), and also it appears to be calling your 222 an HD Solo rec'r (when it is really a Duo rec'r). With so many inaccuracies with your current bill, it makes it hard to know what your new bill will be like.
My whole problem with this is not the reality of it, it's dish's trying to pretend like they are not screwing their existing customers over with some fairly significant cost increases. Until they fess up, i've put them "On Notice" and they are pretty damn close to my "Dead to me" list. If IPTV matures too much in the next year, I'll dump dish fast.
I thought the DVR fees when they started it up were bad. But this b.s. about only raising receiver prices $1 is all I can stands, and I can't stands no more.
I thought the DVR fees when they started it up were bad. But this b.s. about only raising receiver prices $1 is all I can stands, and I can't stands no more.
