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Looks like we FiOS customers are expected to start paying some return on Verizon's fiber investment:

Verizon Sees FiOS Price Hikes Helping Margins
Telco Boosted Price of Multiservice Bundles $5 to $10 in June
By Todd Spangler -- Multichannel News, July 27, 2009
Verizon's recent price increases for new FiOS customers and those coming off contract should help increase the wireline business unit's profitability, chief financial officer John Killian said on the company's earnings call Monday.
"There are a number of things we're also doing on the FiOS side including we have a price increase going in for new customers and customers that will be coming out of contract so that will also help us from that perspective," Killian said, responding to an analyst's question about margins in the wireline unit.
For the quarter ended June 30, Verizon's operating margin for the wireline unit dropped to 4.8%, versus 8.8% for the second quarter of 2008.
Verizon spokeswoman Bobbi Henson said the price increases Killian was referring to were instituted at the end of June and ranged from $5 to $10 per bundle depending on package and market. However, she said, the packages included faster Internet speeds.
"We didn't take the same bundle and just increase the price," Henson said. "We increased the speeds as well."
For example, Verizon increased the speed of its entry-level FiOS Internet service from 10 Mbps down and 2 Mbps to 15/5 Mbps, and raised the price from $99 to $109.99 per month. The midtier offering speeds increased from 20/5 Mbps to 25/15 Mbps, and increased $10, to $119.99 per month. Those prices do not include FiOS TV equipment charges.
In the second quarter, Verizon added a net 300,000 TV subscribers -- bringing its tally to 2.5 million -- and a record 303,000 FiOS Internet customers. Verizon had pushed a $99 FiOS triple-play bundle in the period, targeting cable customers with a $150 cash-back offer in the form of a prepaid gift card.
While the telco posted strong gains for FiOS, its traditional voice service and DSL products suffered. Total residential lines fell 12.3%, to 19.66 million as of June.
Verizon lost 117,000 DSL-based connections in the quarter, although those were more than offset by the FiOS Internet gains. Overall, Verizon stood at 9.11 million broadband subscribers, up 9.4% from 8.33 million in the year-ago period.
Verizon plans to cut some 8,000 jobs in the second half of 2009, representing about 3.4% of its current headcount, with most layoffs occurring in the third quarter, Killian said on the call.
"Although we are taking steps to mitigate the negative impact of the economy in the short term, we also need to more significantly reduce the wireline cost structure over the next 12 to 18 months," he said.
The consumer-oriented wireline mass markets group had $4.96 billion in revenue, up 0.2% compared with the year prior. Overall, however, the wireline unit reported operating revenue of $11.49 billion, down 5.2% from a year ago, with weaker sales of enterprise and wholesale services. Wireline operating income fell 47.8% versus the year-ago period, to $555 million.
 
This isn't new - Verizon announced their new internet tiers at the end of June. With that came new bundle prices. That's what this article is referencing. Yeah, it sucks, but at least you are getting more than you were before. For example, I'm currently paying $110/month for their Extreme HD triple play, which includes 20/5 internet. In October when my contract expires I can either go ala carte, or I can bundle in with their new bundle price - $120/month. Yeah, that's a $10 increase, but with that my internet speed would go up to 25/15.
 
I agree, but it is the nature of the beast. It is still cheaper than cable and faster too. As long as I get more usefulness, then it eases the pain some. On the other hand, if you don't have a need for anything higher than 20/5, then one must look at any other added features like more HD, Sports Packages, widgets or better hardware (more Tivo like in features, speed, and storage). Besides coming from Cox where they added fees and increases with the changing winds, I'm happy with the space of changes in price VZ has. Plus locked in a 2 year price is a great deal. Now if I can only convince DW the need for an internet ready stove and refrigerator.
 
I am with them till dec then I might just switch back to dish and keep internet and phone I miss my 622 and by then the 922 .I like fios but the dvrs suck.
 
I am with them till dec then I might just switch back to dish and keep internet and phone I miss my 622 and by then the 922 .I like fios but the dvrs suck.

Kinda in your boat coming off contract in Oct. Might just keep them for internet
 
I am with them till dec then I might just switch back to dish and keep internet and phone I miss my 622 and by then the 922 .I like fios but the dvrs suck.

I just switched to FIOS from Dish and I can't really see all the fuss about the DVR's. So far our experience with the FIOS DVR has been very similar to our 625 from Dish. We can still record 2 things on the main receiver and watch another show on another TV, plus we can watch our recorded programs anywhere in the house. The interface seems to be very similar, as well. We select what we want to watch in the guide and record it. We've even setup our "season passes" with no trouble at all.

I was expecting a nightmare switching over from the 625, but we really haven't hit so much as a bump in the road during the switch.

On top of that we can definitely see a PQ difference on our locals, and other channels as well.
 
I just switched to FIOS from Dish and I can't really see all the fuss about the DVR's. So far our experience with the FIOS DVR has been very similar to our 625 from Dish. We can still record 2 things on the main receiver and watch another show on another TV, plus we can watch our recorded programs anywhere in the house. The interface seems to be very similar, as well. We select what we want to watch in the guide and record it. We've even setup our "season passes" with no trouble at all.

I was expecting a nightmare switching over from the 625, but we really haven't hit so much as a bump in the road during the switch.

On top of that we can definitely see a PQ difference on our locals, and other channels as well.

The only real issue I had with the FIOS DVR was the drive space.
 
Drive space is small, but I record less now since I can on-demand everything. After i tie the knot I plan on buying 2 moxi dvr's. I wouldn't dare do it know my fiance would murder me.
 
Small hard drive. no 16x9 guide , caller ID ,map down for hd,uhf remote,only 1 tv view,ext hard drive support and a guide that is wrong most of the time.other wise its ok:)
 
Small hard drive. no 16x9 guide , caller ID ,map down for hd,uhf remote,only 1 tv view,ext hard drive support and a guide that is wrong most of the time.other wise its ok:)

The guide is the reason why I got to get the moxi boxes. I have never seen a guide be so wrong all the time.
 
Sounds like the DVR suffers the same as the Cox ones do. I learned to live with the short comings and was fine. Due to the savings, I can't justify getting Cox back. As I've said before NST was the only thing that impressed me with Direct. My only wish is a larger HDD for the HMDVR, which it has been leaked that one is coming...just debates on the size to be shipped.
 

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