Verizon buying Frontier

[harshness]

ill take any FTTH over docsis !

Seems like a pretty pointless statement given that you don't have FTTH available to you.

Dozens of millions of satisfied DOCSIS users can't all be wrong.

 

[dtv757]

I had (past tense) FTTH at multiple other locations no issues , no matter the weather . even in 30 inches of snow (in one day) perfect service . lost count of how many docsis outages recently

back to original topic hopefully FIOS expands next year !

 

[harshness]

back to original topic hopefully FIOS expands next year !

Don't hold your breath. Your time (and breath) would be much better spent going after your cable ISP rather than complaining to us incessantly.

This consolidation isn't going to be cheap and it may take some time to realize any cost savings such that VZ decides they want to expand.

 

[Juan]

I had (past tense) FTTH at multiple other locations no issues , no matter the weather . even in 30 inches of snow (in one day) perfect service . lost count of how many docsis outages recently

back to original topic hopefully FIOS expands next year !

The power for FTTH is provided at your house...cable not so much

 

[navychop]

Dozens of millions of satisfied {horse and buggy} users can't all be wrong.

FIFY

 

[harshness]

The power for FTTH is provided at your house...cable not so much

Horsefeathers!

You are implying that DOCSIS modems/gateways are powered by the cable company and that is NOT true.

Further, according to an EU-commissioned study of Internet transceivers in 2017, fiber consumes less power (56kWh/year .vs. 88kWh/year) than DOCSIS modems.

 

[harshness]

FIFY

Modern DOCSIS isn't anywhere close to horse and buggy.

 

[NYDutch]

No FTTH here in boonies, just Spectrum cable. A few years ago, we started having drop outs at below freezing temps after a new drop had been installed. The young tech that responded to my call said he couldn't find anything wrong. When I suggested cold pull back since the problem was the worst at night, he pretty much told me I didn't know what I was talking about. When I called again a few days later, the older tech that responded almost immediately said it sounded like cold weather pull back and he re-terminated every connection from the ground stanchion to the house entry, leaving the center conductor a bit longer. Haven't had any problems since...

 

[harshness]

The young tech that responded to my call said he couldn't find anything wrong.

This is a recurrent problem with young people and it may only get worse as they are "taught" to use overly simplified decision trees in the hopes of not exceeding anyone's ability to get their heads around it all.

It is hard enough to find employees who are willing to come to work every day.

Even today's "senior tech" only has a nodding understanding of how things work.

 

[Juan]

Horsefeathers!

You are implying that DOCSIS modems/gateways are powered by the cable company and that is NOT true.

Further, according to an EU-commissioned study of Internet transceivers in 2017, fiber consumes less power (56kWh/year .vs. 88kWh/year) than DOCSIS modems.

Whatever...fiber to the home has a laser powered at the home and at the co...so when power goes out..you can still use fiber to the home with a generator...cable.. not so much

 

[harshness]

Whatever...fiber to the home has a laser powered at the home and at the co...so when power goes out..you can still use fiber to the home with a generator...cable.. not so much

The idea that any large-scale provider delivers their FTTH service via a home run fiber to the CO is something only you could dream up.

Fiber broadband service employs nodes just as cable does. As such, it is perhaps just as likely to suffer in a power outage.

 

[telstar_1]

Here they just horizontally drilled where they couldn't trench.

 

[NYDutch]

Whatever...fiber to the home has a laser powered at the home and at the co...so when power goes out..you can still use fiber to the home with a generator...cable.. not so much

As long as the inline cable amplifiers are still powered, we've stayed online with our generator. Otherwise, we just switch to cell based Internet for the duration.

 

[telstar_1]

The idea that any large-scale provider delivers their FTTH service via a home run fiber to the CO is something only you could dream up.

Fiber broadband service employs nodes just as cable does. As such, it is perhaps just as likely to suffer in a power outage.

When the fiber came here in 2017 (underground), the provider stated that it had redundacy both in multiple trunkline access and in ability to re-route signals if one of own lines is cut (circular, gridded connections). I'm not aware of any local (town level) switching or support facility, and presume that as long as they have power at their access to trunks, they're on everywhere. I have had almost nothing as far as any outage.

 

[brice52]

The idea that any large-scale provider delivers their FTTH service via a home run fiber to the CO is something only you could dream up.

Fiber broadband service employs nodes just as cable does. As such, it is perhaps just as likely to suffer in a power outage.

My FTTH has remote OLT sites with generator backup. In my county where I live there are 5 OLT sites. Each of them are inter-connected to each other and to the CO OLT

 

[harshness]

When the fiber came here in 2017 (underground), the provider stated that it had redundacy both in multiple trunkline access and in ability to re-route signals if one of own lines is cut (circular, gridded connections). I'm not aware of any local (town level) switching or support facility, and presume that as long as they have power at their access to trunks, they're on everywhere.

This proves my point that home run fiber is a fantasy.

Since Xfinity started offering VOIP phone service, they installed power backup systems in their node enclosures and my broadband connection survives most outages shorter than an hour or so. Wireless service here may be up a little longer but not more than a few hours.

 

[NYDutch]

This proves my point that home run fiber is a fantasy.

Since Xfinity started offering VOIP phone service, they installed power backup systems in their node enclosures and my broadband connection survives most outages shorter than an hour or so. Wireless service here may be up a little longer but not more than a few hours.

Our nearest cell tower carries Verizon and AT&T. American Tower, the owner, supplies an LP generator fueled by a 500 gallon tank that outlasted a 3 day ice storm power outage. There's a T-Mobile tower a little farther away, but I don't know if it has backup power.

 

[Juan]

The idea that any large-scale provider delivers their FTTH service via a home run fiber to the CO is something only you could dream up.

Fiber broadband service employs nodes just as cable does. As such, it is perhaps just as likely to suffer in a power outage.

No...its called PON technology..been around 20 years or so...its not new

 

[navychop]

In umpteen years with FiOS, the only outage we've had was a fiber break.

The folks with Cox Cable - well, I learned a few new expletives - and I'm a Navy man!

 

[harshness]

No...its called PON technology..been around 20 years or so...its not new

That technology certainly exists but you haven't shown that any fiber ISPs are using it.

PON doesn't strike me as something that could be deployed with multiple routes between the CO and the home.