Watching a president tank:( (bush)

[GaryPen]

Perhaps folks like dragon and eric, and those that share their political and ideological beliefs, or those who simply support Bush and the current GOP philosophy for some reason, can explain the following incongruities:

- Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's
daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him
and a bad guy when Bush Jr. needed one for a war.

- Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but
trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international
harmony.

- A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
corporations can make decisions affecting all citizens without regulation.

- Jesus loves everyone, yet shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary
Clinton.

- The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
speeches while slashing veterans'benefits and combat pay.

- If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

- Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.

- Global warming is junk science but creationism should be taught in schools.

- A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable
offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is solid defense policy.

- Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
Constitution, which should include banning gay marriage.

- The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but
George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

- Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're
a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our
prayers for your recovery.

- What Bill Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest,
but what Bush did in the '80's is irrelevant.

 

[NightHawk]

It's impossible to unravel the ball of twisted muddled logic in that post GaryPen. You evidently have the political acumen of a 14 year old.

 

[dragon002]

It's impossible to unravel the ball of twisted muddled logic in that post GaryPen. You evidently have the political acumen of a 14 year old.

yeah, but im off today and im going to cut thru his lib talking point BS in a while.:devil:

 

[joedekock]

Perhaps folks like dragon and eric, and those that share their political and ideological beliefs, or those who simply support Bush and the current GOP philosophy for some reason, can explain the following incongruities:

- Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's
daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him
and a bad guy when Bush Jr. needed one for a war.

- Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but
trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international
harmony.

- A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
corporations can make decisions affecting all citizens without regulation.

- Jesus loves everyone, yet shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary
Clinton.

- The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
speeches while slashing veterans'benefits and combat pay.

- If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

- Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.

- Global warming is junk science but creationism should be taught in schools.

- A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable
offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is solid defense policy.

- Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
Constitution, which should include banning gay marriage.

- The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but
George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

- Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're
a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our
prayers for your recovery.

- What Bill Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest,
but what Bush did in the '80's is irrelevant.

Your abortion standpoint has to look no further than Europe. They have legalized abortions over there. Have you ever been over there? No one smiles over there. They are in more turmoil as far as divorce and broken homes with children goes. Abortion is not the Sole reason for this, but its a big FACTor. We are bad enough off with 36% of families with Children being broken homes. And remember, the father has NO RIGHT to say anything about whether or not his wife or girlfriend gets an abortion. Is that fair?

Veteran's pay and Military pay has never been higher. My brother is a Marine, and has been for 10 years. His rank has stayed the same and he got a huge pay raise in 2002 REMEMBER. And that is not a result of inflation. Get your facts straight.

Condoms out of school??? If you finish that question with the rest of the TRUTH, yes because they are instilling abstinence in place of giving out condoms. And no one can deny that abstinence is 100% safe from unwanted pregnancies, and STD's Right or Wrong?

If you want to receive the health care that the Iraqis are receiving from us. Be my guest. I prefer to have a real doctor or surgeon operate on me and prescribe my pills, not a Military doctor who has not been to a real medical school for his training. If you want national government run health care... ask the hard working Canadians or Europeans how they like the long lines of waiting to see a doctor that is overworked and is wondering why he got into his profession. And if they need surgery for something life threatening if they can get it taken care of right away. They can't in fact, they prefer to come To America for any life threatening procedure that they have to get it taken care of on time with a good doctor. Research this... its true.

I don't know where you are going with the global warming and creationism deal. Be more specific.

As far as your reference to Limbaugh's MEDICATION addiction, pills are not illegal if they are prescribed to you, which he did get. Yes he has connections to get those pills and that is wrong, but he was not committing a crime... the doctor did. And that's how it was worked out in the courts. I am not a huge Rush fan, but this same thing happened to Howard Stern back in the early 90's, and even though I hate Howard, I say the same for him. Drugs like Marijuana, cocaine, LSD are illegal, that is plainly written in our laws. Don't compare the two.

I don't recall the media playing off Bush's alcohol addiction, in fact, I don't recall Bush doing it. I remember quite well that he publicly numerous times (in the first election), admitted to it, and that made the libs and Dem's mad. You didn't hear much about it after that, except from the extreme lib blogs, because in the second election they had nothing on Bush except for a phony military record, which we all know what happened to that in the end. And yes Bill Clinton doing Drugs is a crime, (remember what I said in the last rebuttal to your statement about Rush). Alcohol is not a crime, unless you are hurting someone else while doing it. I happen to not care that Clinton did those things back then, I understand people are stupid when they are young, I know I was. So forgive and forget. But the whole thing about having an affair on my dime. That does not sit well with me, especially when your the leader of the free world. You care so much about our image with other countries while Bush is president, but Clinton can have an affair in the white house, and our image does not matter???

Is has been a privilege doing these rebuttals... I mean that in a serious friendly matter.

 

[bpickell]

Condoms out of school??? If you finish that question with the rest of the TRUTH, yes because they are instilling abstinence in place of giving out condoms. And no one can deny that abstinence is 100% safe from unwanted pregnancies, and STD's Right or Wrong?


As far as your reference to Limbaugh's MEDICATION addiction, pills are not illegal if they are prescribed to you, which he did get. Yes he has connections to get those pills and that is wrong, but he was not committing a crime...

First you are truly living in a fantasy world if you think for a minute kids won't have sex if you teach abstinence. Trust me it don't work. You might convert some bot not most.

Second, If what he did was not a crime why did he plead guilty in court? He served community service and rehab.

 

[dragon002]

Perhaps folks like dragon and eric, and those that share their political and ideological beliefs, or those who simply support Bush and the current GOP philosophy for some reason, can explain the following incongruities:

- Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's
daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him
and a bad guy when Bush Jr. needed one for a war.

- Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but
trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international
harmony.

- A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
corporations can make decisions affecting all citizens without regulation.

- Jesus loves everyone, yet shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary
Clinton.

- The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
speeches while slashing veterans'benefits and combat pay.

- If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

- Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.

- Global warming is junk science but creationism should be taught in schools.

- A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable
offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is solid defense policy.

- Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
Constitution, which should include banning gay marriage.

- The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but
George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

- Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're
a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our
prayers for your recovery.

- What Bill Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest,
but what Bush did in the '80's is irrelevant.

cuba is in the western hemisphere, your lib God president kennedy imposed the embargo, he was enforcing the monroe doctorine.

lieing about an affair is not illegal, correct. lieing to a sitting grand jury IS.

global warming??? gore is still stuck on stupid i guess, he says its going to be an ICE AGE.

 

[John W]

Can't we all just get along.....

http://www.udata.com/users/byrd/pray.htm

 

[Bob Haller]

Can't we all just get along.....

http://www.udata.com/users/byrd/pray.htm

Sorry one day he will rot in hell for causing so many unnecessary deaths and ruining so many others lives...

Fathers and mothers gone, armless legless, or sad messed up in head for what they went thru....

Saturday march 18th is the 3 year anniversary of the start of the useless war. Anti war protests are planned nationwide. Find one and attend peacefully so this ends!

 

[dragon002]

you go bob. ill be at work, and now you reminded me, ill fly the flag PROUDLY all day.

as far as him being in hell one day, it isnt for us to decide that. one thing though ,IF he goes there, i bet you sadam and UBL beat him there.

FWIW, i bet teddy (murder) and "sheets "byrd (KKK) are on the welcoming committee.

 

[joedekock]

First you are truly living in a fantasy world if you think for a minute kids won't have sex if you teach abstinence. Trust me it don't work. You might convert some bot not most.

Second, If what he did was not a crime why did he plead guilty in court? He served community service and rehab.

O.K. your two for 7 on rebuttals here... I assume that you see my point on the others.

You are right on kids being sexually active. (I never said that they would not, re-read what I said and don't try to put words in my mouth). But if the schools teach it and some do abstain, the numbers go down in teen pregnancies, (which they have over the last 5 years), and STD's go down, (which again, they have over the last 5 years). That means it is working. So thank you for drawing that conclusion on your own.

He pled guilty in court because its the best way for a celebrity with a lot of money to get back to life as normal. (look at all your Hollywood hero's, they do the same thing). He did re-hab because he was addicted. I never said he was not. I was merely making the point that he was not addicted to an illegal drug, like you were making it sound like.

 

[Bob Haller]

There will be LOTS of politicians around the hell fires...

Bush is a FAILURE as a commander and chief! The carnage after we won was PREVENTABLE if bush hadnt ignored his joint chiefs.,...\

Who warned him we needed 3 times the boots on the ground to maintain order...

Iraq another vietnam. Go in withouit the real resources needed and hope the enemy gives up...

pure stupidity

 

[joedekock]

Can't we all just get along.....

http://www.udata.com/users/byrd/pray.htm

I like this a lot, because I do pray for our president and all members of federal, state, and local governments. Not in a bias way, but that they all draw their strength and wisdom from God who grants it to all of us.

 

[dragon002]

bob,

pull your head out of your rear end. and listen. this is not vietnam. we are going to end this, we arent going to cut and run.

so bush is giong to hell for iraq? show me the newsclip of vietnam invading us. how about kennedy and johnson escallating it? remember the gulf of tonkin fiasco?? if he goes to hell , jfk and lbj will be on the operating committee.

 

[bpickell]

I didn't know we were keeping score. I thought we were just thowing out opinions. Most of the stuff discussed here is based on opinions and not actual fact.

Like I said you might get some but not most. After those so called sex ed classes kids just laugh at the idea. There is only one thing on their mind and we all know what that is.

I am well aware that hollywood is addicted. Someone pointed out the high and mighty mr. judgemental himself as being an addict.

I just call it as I see it. Most of what I say can be perceived as a load of crap. I don't base anything on what I say to be actual fact, just opinions. Maybe I should put that in my signature line... LOL

 

[joedekock]

I just call it as I see it. Most of what I say can be perceived as a load of crap. I don't base anything on what I say to be actual fact, just opinions.

That is too bad... if Bush just had his opinion to go off of on 9/11, and not fact where would we be? It was Mr. Clinton's administration that had the Opinion, that if they don't seek out the terrorists that bombed the USS Cole, or World Trade Center, then he might be a more popular president. They were Right!

Facts are what life is made of, everything in our past is a fact, not an opinion. If everyone made decisions based on their opinions and how they feel, nothing would get accomplished! This is elementary my friend!

 

[GaryPen]

It's impossible to unravel the ball of twisted muddled logic in that post GaryPen. You evidently have the political acumen of a 14 year old.

You are correct about the twisted logic. THAT WAS THE POINT. I was asking folks such as yourself, with the apparent reading comprehension of a 14 month old I might add, to explain that twisted logic - The logic of the current administration and those in power calling themselves Republicans. (Luckily, a few Republicans have come to their senses and/or grown the balls to disown themselves from crew of thieves, liars, scoundrels, sloths, and morons currently in charge of both the country and the party.)

So, Mr. Political Acumen (can I just call you Dick?), please explain the contridictions listed in my post.

 

[BrianMis]

Perhaps folks like dragon and eric, and those that share their political and ideological beliefs, or those who simply support Bush and the current GOP philosophy for some reason, can explain the following incongruities:

- Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's
daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him
and a bad guy when Bush Jr. needed one for a war.

- Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but
trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international
harmony.

- A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
corporations can make decisions affecting all citizens without regulation.

- Jesus loves everyone, yet shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary
Clinton.

- The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
speeches while slashing veterans'benefits and combat pay.

- If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

- Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing
health care to all Americans is socialism.

- Global warming is junk science but creationism should be taught in schools.

- A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable
offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is solid defense policy.

- Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
Constitution, which should include banning gay marriage.

- The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but
George Bush's cocaine conviction is none of our business.

- Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're
a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our
prayers for your recovery.

- What Bill Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest,
but what Bush did in the '80's is irrelevant.

Did this thread just turn into Air America?

 

[VIPERS-PIT]

Good idea bpickell

just make a sig that says "there are no facts to backup ANYTHING I say, there fore simply disregard it all as inflammatory nonsense"

 

[joedekock]

Did this thread just turn into Air America?

By the way did anyone else see Air America is going under? There is something to be said about liberal talk radio. IT DOES NOT WORK TO BASH THE PRESIDENT AND HIS POLICIES, AND IF YOU DO, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE POLICY TO PRESENT.

 

[bpickell]

my opinions may be based on my perception but most are pretty darn accurate. I don't need to go do polls to figure out our hitler of a leader is an @$$. I don't need to spend hours on cnn.com to figure out that what he is doing is wrong. I don't have to read the bible again to figure out that he closely resembles antichrist (except I don't think he hails from Europe.) But he sure as hell is one great deceiver.

And one great thing about this country is we are still entitled to our opinions (For now.) If Mr. Dubya has his way we would have all our rights stripped away and be like Russia 20 years ago.

At least I admit that I don't have any sources to back up what I have to say, unlike most of the rest of you who defend him. He is by far the worst president we have ever had. Again my perception. If you are counting news sources forget it, they are one sided and only print half the truth and you know it.