the Premium + & Ultra will not play Escapes smoothly. Elite & Premium will
the newer 422 264 stuff it will not play on Premium + & Ultra or Elite & Premium
What are my 4.2.2 options?
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could you please tell me what the newer 422 264 stuff is that any AZ won't play. Like a feed example? Sorry just trying hard to make a decision the wife won't shoot me over. Thanks.
just a newer delivery source. only a pc card will get them at this time not even sure on pc cards as i'm not a big user of them.
only a few of them the past year.
some help here ........
only a few of them the past year.
some help here ........
Ok so not like 99% of what is 4.2.2 currently right now. Just some very new technology right? We can never get ahead of new technology. I might just get a prof card.
My AZ wouldn't do the AAC audio on the Luken MUX and that was the final straw for me. No more AZ 
. Just got a Prof 7301, I like it so far.
. Just got a Prof 7301, I like it so far.I think I'm going to go with a Prof 7301 as much as I don't want a computer card for tv viewing and would like to use an AZbox for my main receiver, I can't show this product to my wife and tell her I only paid $300.00 for it and the bugs came with at no extra charge! Thanks guys for all your help. Please tell me more about the Prof 7301, how good does the software work? Can you just enter freq's and it will pull in the signals? Or must you enter all Satellites and Scan H and V or what? I plan to Slave it off my OpenBox S-10. Going to only use for 4.2.2. Hope my spare computer with handle the HD signals and display without jidder. Thanks guys.
If there was at least one thread pertaining only to the PCI cards and exactly what they can and can not do that would be a huge benefit to others out there.
No standalone receiver out there is going to get all the signals some hobbyists desire that is a fact!
As for the PCI cards....
I for one am not sold on the Prof 7301 PCI.
According to the specs below it will not do 16APSK nor 32APSK signals.
** Some people have said they like the Prof 7301 PCI
The Prof Revolution 7301 DVB-S2 PCI card is designed for the reception of standard and high definition Free-To-Air digital satellite television, satellite radio and one-way satellite Internet via a PC. The Prof 7301 occupies one PCI slot and can receive standard DVB and DVB-S2 satellite signals with QPSK and 8PSK modulations. With the supplied Windows BDA drivers, the Prof 7301 supports two main (and most necessary) BDA extensions: operation of DiSEqC switches; motor support; remote control operation.
The packaging of the Prof Revolution 7301 contains:
Prof Revolution 7301 DVB-S2 PCI card – 1 pc
Remote control– 1 pc
Battery AAA – 2 pcs
External infra-red receiver – 1 pc
Mini CD-disk with drivers and software - 1 pc
Installation Guide – 1 pc
Technical Parameters of Prof Revolution 7301
Prof Revolution 7301 main Chips Characteristics
Name::: STV0903B
Supported standards :::: DVB-S, DSS, DVB-S2
Signal modulation :: QPSK and 8PSK
FEC DVB-S :: 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 8/9
FEC DVB-S2 :: 1/2, 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
16APSK, 32APSK :: Not supported
Roll-Off :: 0.35, 0.25, 0.20
Symbol rate range :: From 1 till 45 Msymbols/s for QPSK and 8PSK
(DVB-S and DVB-S2)
Supply current peak :: 1.8A
Operating ambient temperature :: From -10°C to +70°C
Input frequency range :: 950 – 2150 MHz
DVB-S2 card type ::: Internal
Stream processing :; Software
Power supply ::: From PCI bus
Maximum PCI bus power consumption :: +12V @ 350mA, +5V @ 3A, +3.3V @ 3A
Remote control operation :: Yes. RC unit included in box.
External connectors :: LNB IN, LOOP OUT (F-connector)
Infra-red receiver (TRS 2.5 mm)
Power supply of converter (LNB):: 13V/18V, 700 mA
DiSEqC ::: 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, USALS. DiSEqC-switch, motor support
LED status indication :: No
Operation systems support:: MS Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7, GNU/Linux
Windows drivers::: PTG Engine 1.7
** some like the TBS 6925
TBS6925 is a Professional level digital satellite TV Tuner card with PCI Express interface. TBS6925 supports not only normal DVB-S2/DVB-S QPSK, 8PSK which is supported by normal satellite receivers, but also CCM, ACM, VCM, Multi Input Stream, 16APSK,32APSK,Generic Stream Mode which most satellite receiving devices can't support. With use of dedicated TBS tools, those special streams can be captured. Both Windows BDA driver and Linux driver up to the latest kernel 3.X are ready.
Specifications:
Specifications:
Receiving Frequency: 950~2150 MHz Tuning Range
Input level: -69~-23dBm
DVB-S2/DVB-S DIRECTV 8PSK QPSK 16APSK 32APSK Demodulator
Symbol Rate:
DVB-S QPSK 0.2~45Msps
DVB-S2 QPSK/8PSK 0.2~45Msps
Carrier Capture Range: ±10MHz
8PSK Puncture codes: 3/5,2/3,3/4,5/6,8/9,9/10
QPSK Puncture codes: 1/2,3/5,2/3,3/4,4/5,5/6,8/9,9/10
16PSK Puncture codes: 2/3,3/4,4/5,5/6,8/9,9/10
32PSK Puncture codes: 3/4,4/5,5/6,8/9,9/10
Support Data Burst & Tone Burst
Support DiSEqC2.X and Motor
Low profile size: 120x58mm (Length x Height)
System Requirements:
Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 or Linux
DirectX9.0 or later Version
Available PCI Express x1,x4, x8 or x16 slot
Satellite Dish and LNB
For DVB-S:
1GHz CPU or above
256MB RAM or above
Graphic Card with at least 16MB RAM
For DVB-S2 HDTV:
Dualcore CPU
1GB RAM or Above
Graphic Card with at Least 64MB RAM
Now there was a Prof 7500 card mentioned....
While I could not get all the info on it I did read elsewhere that people mentioned the
TBS 5925 is much better than Prof 7500 1 x Software CD
TBS5925 USB DVB-S2 Professional TV Tuner external box, built with the highest industry standard, with its rock reliability is the device that any personal enthusiasts or engineers in digital satellite TV industry dream to have. The applying of an unique DVB-S2 demodulator chipset makes it possible to receive special streams broadcasted with ACM, VCM, Multi Input Stream, 16APSK, 32APSK. The built in hardware blind scan feature allows scanning of unknown satellite transponder with symbol rate as low as 200ksps, while most satellite receiving device can receive no less than 1Msps symbol rate. Such blind scan feature can be achieved by dedicated TBS tool or Crazyscan tool.
TBS5925 is the USB version of its' equivalent device: TBS6925 PCIe DVB-S2 Professional TV Tuner card.
Main Features:
DVB-S2/S Transponders Receiving
CCM, VCM,ACM and Multi Input Stream Support
Wide range symbol rates support from 200Ksps to 45Msps
High-speed Data download via Satellite
Unicable/One Cable compatible Blindscan
all of this leaves me with several more questions on which PCI card is actually the better one? Notwithstanding what some are currently using, but is there one out there that will get most if not all the signals that are up there?
Then another question is: since many do not want to watch TV on a computer, and most newer HDTV's use HDMI cables I have not seen HDMI outputs on all the cards to connect them to the TV, so which ones would work to view the signals directly on the HDTV's many people have now?
I did gleen this info on the computer you will need:
If you have a 1080p TV just make sure the card can handle 1080 @ 60fps. Some of the low end cards are marginal at that frame rate. 4:2:2 has to be decoded with software codecs using CPU power. Any cpu faster than 2.66 Ghz should be great. Ram is not an issue any more just have lots of ram.
If you plan to record show buy lots of hard drive space. That's one of the biggest issues.
No standalone receiver out there is going to get all the signals some hobbyists desire that is a fact!
As for the PCI cards....
I for one am not sold on the Prof 7301 PCI.
According to the specs below it will not do 16APSK nor 32APSK signals.
** Some people have said they like the Prof 7301 PCI
The Prof Revolution 7301 DVB-S2 PCI card is designed for the reception of standard and high definition Free-To-Air digital satellite television, satellite radio and one-way satellite Internet via a PC. The Prof 7301 occupies one PCI slot and can receive standard DVB and DVB-S2 satellite signals with QPSK and 8PSK modulations. With the supplied Windows BDA drivers, the Prof 7301 supports two main (and most necessary) BDA extensions: operation of DiSEqC switches; motor support; remote control operation.
The packaging of the Prof Revolution 7301 contains:
Prof Revolution 7301 DVB-S2 PCI card – 1 pc
Remote control– 1 pc
Battery AAA – 2 pcs
External infra-red receiver – 1 pc
Mini CD-disk with drivers and software - 1 pc
Installation Guide – 1 pc
Technical Parameters of Prof Revolution 7301
Prof Revolution 7301 main Chips Characteristics
Name::: STV0903B
Supported standards :::: DVB-S, DSS, DVB-S2
Signal modulation :: QPSK and 8PSK
FEC DVB-S :: 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 8/9
FEC DVB-S2 :: 1/2, 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
16APSK, 32APSK :: Not supported
Roll-Off :: 0.35, 0.25, 0.20
Symbol rate range :: From 1 till 45 Msymbols/s for QPSK and 8PSK
(DVB-S and DVB-S2)
Supply current peak :: 1.8A
Operating ambient temperature :: From -10°C to +70°C
Input frequency range :: 950 – 2150 MHz
DVB-S2 card type ::: Internal
Stream processing :; Software
Power supply ::: From PCI bus
Maximum PCI bus power consumption :: +12V @ 350mA, +5V @ 3A, +3.3V @ 3A
Remote control operation :: Yes. RC unit included in box.
External connectors :: LNB IN, LOOP OUT (F-connector)
Infra-red receiver (TRS 2.5 mm)
Power supply of converter (LNB):: 13V/18V, 700 mA
DiSEqC ::: 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, USALS. DiSEqC-switch, motor support
LED status indication :: No
Operation systems support:: MS Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7, GNU/Linux
Windows drivers::: PTG Engine 1.7
** some like the TBS 6925
TBS6925 is a Professional level digital satellite TV Tuner card with PCI Express interface. TBS6925 supports not only normal DVB-S2/DVB-S QPSK, 8PSK which is supported by normal satellite receivers, but also CCM, ACM, VCM, Multi Input Stream, 16APSK,32APSK,Generic Stream Mode which most satellite receiving devices can't support. With use of dedicated TBS tools, those special streams can be captured. Both Windows BDA driver and Linux driver up to the latest kernel 3.X are ready.
Specifications:
Specifications:
Receiving Frequency: 950~2150 MHz Tuning Range
Input level: -69~-23dBm
DVB-S2/DVB-S DIRECTV 8PSK QPSK 16APSK 32APSK Demodulator
Symbol Rate:
DVB-S QPSK 0.2~45Msps
DVB-S2 QPSK/8PSK 0.2~45Msps
Carrier Capture Range: ±10MHz
8PSK Puncture codes: 3/5,2/3,3/4,5/6,8/9,9/10
QPSK Puncture codes: 1/2,3/5,2/3,3/4,4/5,5/6,8/9,9/10
16PSK Puncture codes: 2/3,3/4,4/5,5/6,8/9,9/10
32PSK Puncture codes: 3/4,4/5,5/6,8/9,9/10
Support Data Burst & Tone Burst
Support DiSEqC2.X and Motor
Low profile size: 120x58mm (Length x Height)
System Requirements:
Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 or Linux
DirectX9.0 or later Version
Available PCI Express x1,x4, x8 or x16 slot
Satellite Dish and LNB
For DVB-S:
1GHz CPU or above
256MB RAM or above
Graphic Card with at least 16MB RAM
For DVB-S2 HDTV:
Dualcore CPU
1GB RAM or Above
Graphic Card with at Least 64MB RAM
Now there was a Prof 7500 card mentioned....
While I could not get all the info on it I did read elsewhere that people mentioned the
TBS 5925 is much better than Prof 7500 1 x Software CD
TBS5925 USB DVB-S2 Professional TV Tuner external box, built with the highest industry standard, with its rock reliability is the device that any personal enthusiasts or engineers in digital satellite TV industry dream to have. The applying of an unique DVB-S2 demodulator chipset makes it possible to receive special streams broadcasted with ACM, VCM, Multi Input Stream, 16APSK, 32APSK. The built in hardware blind scan feature allows scanning of unknown satellite transponder with symbol rate as low as 200ksps, while most satellite receiving device can receive no less than 1Msps symbol rate. Such blind scan feature can be achieved by dedicated TBS tool or Crazyscan tool.
TBS5925 is the USB version of its' equivalent device: TBS6925 PCIe DVB-S2 Professional TV Tuner card.
Main Features:
DVB-S2/S Transponders Receiving
CCM, VCM,ACM and Multi Input Stream Support
Wide range symbol rates support from 200Ksps to 45Msps
High-speed Data download via Satellite
Unicable/One Cable compatible Blindscan
all of this leaves me with several more questions on which PCI card is actually the better one? Notwithstanding what some are currently using, but is there one out there that will get most if not all the signals that are up there?
Then another question is: since many do not want to watch TV on a computer, and most newer HDTV's use HDMI cables I have not seen HDMI outputs on all the cards to connect them to the TV, so which ones would work to view the signals directly on the HDTV's many people have now?
I did gleen this info on the computer you will need:
If you have a 1080p TV just make sure the card can handle 1080 @ 60fps. Some of the low end cards are marginal at that frame rate. 4:2:2 has to be decoded with software codecs using CPU power. Any cpu faster than 2.66 Ghz should be great. Ram is not an issue any more just have lots of ram.
If you plan to record show buy lots of hard drive space. That's one of the biggest issues.
The other option is what I do. PC and a DVB card
This could be a rainy day project: Has anyone tried playback on a PS3 or Xbox using PS3 Media Server?
Then you can add the software variable to the equation. All of the choices leave something to be desired. I'm using MyTheatre and DVBViewer. I use a combination of cards. The main one is a TeVii S464 in MyTheatre. The Prof is a very sensitive tuner and I have hopes for good blind scanning with it. The TBS8922 I have to experiment with. I also have a SkyWalker and a Hauppauge NovaS2. No combination does it all. But I get fairly close
The Prof doesn't do the 4:2:2, the codecs do. The tuner just captures the stream and the software decodes it.
Ok! Does the Prof 7301 come with the software to decode and display 4.2.2 live? I've read about all these viewers that can be used with the Prof, but are other viewers a must have to use this card? Thanks.
The Prof is widely supported. All popular DVB software works with it. Except MyTheatre has no DiEqC control just 22khz.
I think it comes with DVBDream, which I'm not fond of.
I think it comes with DVBDream, which I'm not fond of.
As far codecs go, I often use FFDShow for 4:2:2 You can find it free on the net. But depending on your system and other things you may find something else to your liking
OH did we mention all the software you can purchase to use with your Prof. The tuner card is just one aspect of a great HTPC. Most tuners come with enough software to get you started but when you know, you start buying the good stuff. I've bought 5 DVB programs and a few codecs as well.
pc $300-$700
v-card $50-$500
prof - $100
sw- $100 >
xHD - $100
Hauppauge Colossus - $200
etc
azbox $300
v-card $50-$500
prof - $100
sw- $100 >
xHD - $100
Hauppauge Colossus - $200
etc
azbox $300
PC - Already owned
Video - HDMI onboard
Prof - < $100
SW - $0
HDD - Already owned 2TB onboard
Total Cost for 4:2:2 solution = < $100
Nothing against a 4:2:2 STB, but most computer owners likely already have the majority of the 4:2:2 solution. Not as expensive as previous post suggests.
Video - HDMI onboard
Prof - < $100
SW - $0
HDD - Already owned 2TB onboard
Total Cost for 4:2:2 solution = < $100
Nothing against a 4:2:2 STB, but most computer owners likely already have the majority of the 4:2:2 solution. Not as expensive as previous post suggests.
Thanks for your help. I downloaded FFDShow and installed on my computer to try. After install there is no program to run from in the start menu(just configure tabs). I don't have the Prof yet, but should a program run from FFDShow after the install, or how does it decode 4.2.2 with no program running? Thanks.
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