It'd be a lot easier to argue this topic if we actually had the numbers on channel rates, costs to run a channel, value of a channel and cable/sat overhead cost.

dare2be said:

Usually. That would hold true if there was true competition and consumer choice instead of collusion and oligopoly.

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Competition is a double edged sword. The NFL loves competing companies bidding on their programming, but it hurts us. Ultimately sat/cable providers can only negotiate so much and the programming has to be relatively competitive with one another, which leads to the larger savings based on how much overhead they have to provide and support the channels physically. Dish and Directv blow cable out of the water.

dishfan82 said:

All I can do is just keep dropping down to the next channel package and losing channels I do watch .


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Thats about all you can do.

jerryez said:

And every time I cut my Dish package to save money the damn cable company raises my internet fee. Cox raised the cost $5 in Jan 2016 and $5 in November 2016. that is $10 in one year, which is almost a 14% INCREASE IN 10 MONTHS. plus they added a cap to streaming usage with a $10 fee when you go over the cap each month, which could add up to hundredsof dollars each year. Rape! Rape!

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In my opinion, this is totally predictable. As more and more people cut the cord, the internet service providers will see themselves in a better market position and increase their rates and institute caps. People are leaving traditional television providers and becoming more dependent on internet to stream TV content. This puts the internet provider in favor. Once again, supply and demand, whatever the market will bear.

rvvaquero said:

In my opinion, this is totally predictable. As more and more people cut the cord, the internet service providers will see themselves in a better market position and increase their rates and institute caps. People are leaving traditional television providers and becoming more dependent on internet to stream TV content. This puts the internet provider in favor. Once again, supply and demand, whatever the market will bear.

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In addition, customers threatening to leave (including those who do) doesn't always have the effect of causing the vendor to panic. Case in point, ATT hasn't ever reduced the cost of their landline service because people jumped to cell phones. In fact, they are eager to shed their landline operations in the years to come. I have a hunch that DISH is betting on Sling TV and their other IP based TV services eclipsing satellite in the years to come. Dishes may not completely disappear for another 20 years, but it's not their only iron in the fire anymore


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dishfan82 said:

Would eliminating the whole home DVR fee and receiver fees help? I think so since each year those seem to go up in price and if they would eliminate that then I think a lot more would stay. I think a lot are leaving pay tv since the cost is just too high. All I can do is just keep dropping down to the next channel package and losing channels I do watch .


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They will never eliminate DVR fees or any other fees. These are hidden costs that do not appear in advertising, which makes them look cheaper than there competitors. WOW, I get FREE HD for Life. Look at all the money I am saving. I save money, because I have the Welcome pack and an OTA TiVo.

jerryez said:

They will never eliminate DVR fees or any other fees. These are hidden costs that do not appear in advertising, which makes them look cheaper than there competitors. WOW, I get FREE HD for Life. Look at all the money I am saving. I save money, because I have the Welcome pack and an OTA TiVo.

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Me too. 211k receiver with a 2TB Ehd. No fees.


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comfortably_numb said:

Me too. 211k receiver with a 2TB Ehd. No fees.


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Yup, no monthly fees. Also no second, third or 16th tuner among many other missing features.

Considering what we pay now a days for food, clothing, shelter and everything else IMHO the DVR fee is a bargain for what we get, especially with a Hopper 3.

JSheridan said:

Yup, no monthly fees. Also no second, third or 16th tuner among many other missing features.

Considering what we pay now a days for food, clothing, shelter and everything else IMHO the DVR fee is a bargain for what we get, especially with a Hopper 3.

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I don't need 16 tuners. If I did, I suppose maybe the fees would be Ok


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comfortably_numb said:

I don't need 16 tuners. If I did, I suppose maybe the fees would be Ok


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But could you use 3 tuners? If a single tuner, two if you have OTA, works for you that's great...

two with my OTA antenna


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I can't even imagine only being able to watch or record 1 Satellite and/or 1 OTA show at a time. Some nights there are 5 or more shows recording at once while I'm watching 4 screens of MultiView and a Joey or 2 around the house are watching as well.

Life's to short to scrimp on TV

JSheridan said:

I can't even imagine only being able to watch or record 1 Satellite and/or 1 OTA show at a time. Some nights there are 5 or more shows recording at once while I'm watching 4 screens of MultiView and a Joey or 2 around the house are watching as well.

Life's to short to scrimp on TV

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That's cool, I'm just saying it's not important for everyone. I live in a small town where the cost for broadband internet is high, and I can't justify paying a lot of money for TV on top of internet. Not everybody wants to pay $80 or more a month for TV. I get TONS of OTA action here and I feed it all through my house, so it keeps me and the daughter happy. Since this thread is about rising costs, I just thought I'd toss that out there


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To each their own.

comfortably_numb said:

That's cool, I'm just saying it's not important for everyone. I live in a small town where the cost for broadband internet is high, and I can't justify paying a lot of money for TV on top of internet. Not everybody wants to pay $80 or more a month for TV. I get TONS of OTA action here and I feed it all through my house, so it keeps me and the daughter happy. Since this thread is about rising costs, I just thought I'd toss that out there


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Because of all the OTA channels In Tampa if money were to become an issue I would be open to relying more on OTA for TV. That and the Flex Pack could easily be enough.

Tampa8 said:

Because of all the OTA channels In Tampa if money were to become an issue I would be open to relying more on OTA for TV. That and the Flex Pack could easily be enough.

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Same in Phoenix. I have already expressed my desire to finally give in and try ROKU

ChadT41 said:

Same in Phoenix. I have already expressed my desire to finally give in and try ROKU

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Roku's are great and getting better all the time. So many entertainment options available


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Same idea for me the Fire Stick. It also has the Slingplayer app something I use alot.

Tampa8 said:

Same idea for me the Fire Stick. It also has the Slingplayer app something I use alot.

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Gotta have my slingplayer app. Watching NFL with Slingbox off my Las Vegas TiVo locals in Tulsa today as I didn't like the games Tulsa local affiliates picked.