In a matter of fact not only will BD accomplish what HD-DVD is doing now but they will surpass it -- in storage, in features and finally in what really counts -- discs sales. HD-DVD might of started the movement -- BD is going to finish it.
Target will announce BR support tomorrow
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In a matter of fact not only will BD accomplish what HD-DVD is doing now but they will surpass it -- in storage, in features and finally in what really counts -- discs sales. HD-DVD might of started the movement -- BD is going to finish it.
Target does NOT 'support' BR...Target is being paid to sell it so financially it is a smart decision as they are 'double dipping' so to speak...First they get paid to display the units (the ONLY reason BR players will be there) and second they will make their profit off of the sales of those units which they are paid to display. All this means is Target is out for themselves and NOT the best format...
Can you show me the money!?! Just show me the money that Target is getting -- please?
I guess you don't believe that there is a new HD standard on the horizon either (of course not for HD-DVD)? You fall into the same catagory as those who said DVI, HDMI and Copy Protection of OTA and studio HD would never come to the market. Yet here we are 2/3rds of the way to that market.
If there is no movement to an extended colour palete then prey tell why are the new HD sets this fall expousing HDMI 1.3 and an extended colour palete if it is not ever going to be used? Oh, maybe they will use this in Europe and Asia but never here in the USA. NGK is already testing a 4k HD picture signal in Japan. LCDs are going to have 100,000 to 1 contrast this XMAS (2 years ago this was said to be impossible at a price folks could afford). Time waits for no one and neither does technology. Keep holding on to the old NTSC standards -- I am sure that when there is no longer any analog in this country that the NTSC standard will still be playing in your house.
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Target Not Going Blu-ray Exclusive
Earlier reports on internet erroneous says HD-DVD.
by Gerry Block
July 26, 2007 - Earlier today word was spreading on the internet that the large retail chain Target had made Blu-ray its exclusive choice in the HD format war for selling in its brick-and-mortar outlets. The HD-DVD promotions group has now issued a statement on the news, noting that previous reports were in err as to the fact that an exclusive agreement had been made. Instead, the HD-DVD group points out, Sony has done nothing more than purchase an end cap at retail, as HD-DVD has done in stores like Best Buy and Circuit City.
An official statement was made by Ken Graffeo, the executive vice president of HD Strategic Marketing for Universal Home Entertainment:
"Target will continue to carry the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive as well as HD DVD titles so we don't see much of a change in their plans to carry both formats. In fact, they continue to sell Toshiba HD DVD players on their web site. Sony appears to have bought an end cap, just as HD DVD has in retail stores such as BestBuy and Circuit City.
What's important is that stand alone HD DVD players are still much more affordable than Blu-ray players, plus they offer a better experience - just compare titles appearing in both formats like "300" or "Blood Diamond." Ultimately consumers will be the ones that determine what format provides the greatest value."
The HD-DVD group has been somewhat embattled of late as Sony has achieved some recent successes in distributing Blu-ray though rental outlets, first securing an exclusive position at Blockbuster (story) and then cutting a profit sharing deal with Rentrak (story). Had a major retail outlet like Target actually gone totally Blu-ray exclusive it would have been a bad day indeed for HD-DVD.
Source: IGN
Earlier reports on internet erroneous says HD-DVD.
by Gerry Block
July 26, 2007 - Earlier today word was spreading on the internet that the large retail chain Target had made Blu-ray its exclusive choice in the HD format war for selling in its brick-and-mortar outlets. The HD-DVD promotions group has now issued a statement on the news, noting that previous reports were in err as to the fact that an exclusive agreement had been made. Instead, the HD-DVD group points out, Sony has done nothing more than purchase an end cap at retail, as HD-DVD has done in stores like Best Buy and Circuit City.
An official statement was made by Ken Graffeo, the executive vice president of HD Strategic Marketing for Universal Home Entertainment:
"Target will continue to carry the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive as well as HD DVD titles so we don't see much of a change in their plans to carry both formats. In fact, they continue to sell Toshiba HD DVD players on their web site. Sony appears to have bought an end cap, just as HD DVD has in retail stores such as BestBuy and Circuit City.
What's important is that stand alone HD DVD players are still much more affordable than Blu-ray players, plus they offer a better experience - just compare titles appearing in both formats like "300" or "Blood Diamond." Ultimately consumers will be the ones that determine what format provides the greatest value."
The HD-DVD group has been somewhat embattled of late as Sony has achieved some recent successes in distributing Blu-ray though rental outlets, first securing an exclusive position at Blockbuster (story) and then cutting a profit sharing deal with Rentrak (story). Had a major retail outlet like Target actually gone totally Blu-ray exclusive it would have been a bad day indeed for HD-DVD.
Source: IGN
Actually, they don't dispute the main point of the story- that Target brick and mortar stores will be selling Blu-ray players, but not HD DVD players.
So they have something to sell to suckers that have no clue what a standard means...
Add some "calibration" requirements and those will pee in their pants in excitement of improved picture quality.
Reading your posts reminds me more and more often the immortal Albert Einstein quote:
Don't tell me you don't have a clue who Albert Einstein is, please...
Diogen.
If HDDVD wanted to ante up for an endcap at Target, HDDVD players would be sold there. Since HDDVD stand alones out sell BD stand alones 70 to 30 I guess the HDDVD group isn't too concerned about getting into Target at this time. Now Target will have two dust collectors in the electronics department in the form of the PS3 and a Sony BD stand alone.
Usually in retail if a manufacturer wants their product on an endcap they have to pay for the display. If they do that then most brick and mortar stores will allow give them the endcap for their displays. That is not payola like what M$ is doing with Toshiba and Universal but how business is done in retail. There is no money to be made here except on sales of merchandise. This was just a smart move by the BD camp.
The real news, as has been pointed, out is the sale of the BD players without the sale of a HD-DVD player. The ball is now in the HD-DVD camp and lets see if they step up and offer to put out for xome endcaps. Their endcap at my local CircuitCity is never functioning properly and obviously the Toshiba sales rep has little interest in maintaining it. I keep going back but the salespeople just tell me that it is not working right? No wonder Circuit City is in a little trouble.
The real news, as has been pointed, out is the sale of the BD players without the sale of a HD-DVD player. The ball is now in the HD-DVD camp and lets see if they step up and offer to put out for xome endcaps. Their endcap at my local CircuitCity is never functioning properly and obviously the Toshiba sales rep has little interest in maintaining it. I keep going back but the salespeople just tell me that it is not working right? No wonder Circuit City is in a little trouble.
Example of HDDVD supporter mule blinders right here.
Almost 4mil PS3's sold, and since the price drop its outselling the 360 in July so far. Yepp, its collecting dust.
I decided to add more because you like throwing up this 70/30 number.
This 70/30 number is because people dont take in to count the PS3. While I dont agree counting all of them, I use my PS3 for movies and Im sure Im not the only person on earth to do so.
The fact is, BR is outselling HDDVD on movies 60/40 since inception (65/35 right now). This tells me either you HDDVD guys spent all your money on the lower priced player and cannot afford movies, OR there are many more people than you want to believe using their PS3's for BR. HDDVD loves to claim that you can count the 360 add on (which I agree with) but you cant count the PS3. I disagree with counting all HDDVD standalones + the 360 addon against BR standalones alone, its idiotic.
Here's whats funny, more 360 addons have been sold than HDDVD standalones, which means the gamers ARE watching HD movies. Give me 25% of the PS3 guys watchin movies and thats 1 million players. Even if they did not buy the PS3 for movies like me. You want to think that they wont buy BR's if they have a HDTV?
Flaunt that 70/30 hardware number all you want, at the end of the day we know its better than that due to BR selling more movies. Movies sales, as with game sales, are what counts in the end.
When I booted my PS3 it asked me a survey about use, and I picked movies first. You can bet Sony has an idea about how many PS3's were bought for movies first and games second.
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If only 10% of PS3 owners use the PS3 for blurays, and all the 360 HD-DVD owners use their add on, then the blu-ray numbers crush HD-DVD.
That's why Toshiba refuses to even mention PS3 numbers. Hell, use only 5%, and blu-ray is ahead.
People tend to ignore that the PS2 was the first big selling DVD player, and was used as such until stand alones became cheap and common. The PS3 is no different.
Why buy an expensive stand alone player when the PS3 gets the job done? Most blu ray adopters are waiting for cheap players to come along, and are using their PS3 in the meantime, same as they did with the PS2 and DVD's.
I agree Derwin. Problem is, how do you count it? Really you cant accurately, but HDDVD supporters should realize that the number is bigger and not throw out hardware data.
I think movie sales are the only real item to argue about because you have hard numbers.
I think movie sales are the only real item to argue about because you have hard numbers.
I know I know, its only minor:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/blu-ray-forum/102309-bjs-goes-br-exclusive-stores.html#post968387
http://www.satelliteguys.us/blu-ray-forum/102309-bjs-goes-br-exclusive-stores.html#post968387
Both Walmart and Target sell similarly high-priced items. Granted, it may only be 10-20% of their customer base, but they're there. And remember, speculation is that Wal-Mart will have a sub-$250 high-def player on their shelves soon...
I think it's more a case BD supporter Blu blinders. Latest numbers are;
Week: 51.98 BD 48.02 HDDVD
Month: 62.46 BD 37.54 HDDVD
Year: 62.15 BD 37.85 HDDVD
Titles: 284 BD 275 HDDVD
Studios: 25 BD 29 HDDVD
DVD Empire - HD DVDs, HD DVD Movie, HD DVD Movies, HD DVD Videos
Oh sorry, I used the monthly number instead of the weekly
Heres some Nielson numbers if you like numbers. The result is all the same. BR caught and surpassed HDDVD in video sales, and this will continue to get better for BR.
WE: BD-61% HDD-39% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%
