Fox is attacking the Hopper, Sling Adapter and Dish Anywhere now

[lucky86]

Although I don't agree with Fox on this issue, Dish networks track record of loosing in litigation is an issue that cannot be ignored.

It's very likely dish could loose, and then what do you do with a hopper that no longer works as advertised?

I'm not concerned and doubt anything drastic will happen. These networks need to get with the times and change the business model instead of scrambling to keep this dinosaur of a model . It's 2013, times change, technology changes...and companies change and adapt accordingly but for some reasons these networks feel they don't need to? Stupidity in my opinion.

 

[darrengs]

"Fox contends that any 'purported' right Dish asserts to place shift programming does not apply because it is not a consumer. 'It is not 'consumer place-shifting' when Dish retransmits Fox's signal over the Internet, in violation of its license agreement, to get more people to subscribe to Dish Network,' Fox said. 'It's piracy.'"

Dish isn't transmitting it over the Internet. I (the Consumer) is via my sling adapter.

 

[TheKrell]

Dish isn't transmitting it over the Internet. I (the Consumer) is via my sling adapter.

True, but there is that little matter of the lame/brain unbelievably cumbersome DishAnywhere website that is required to use our Sling Adapters... Maybe, just maybe, this will prod Dish into giving us a standalone player.

 

[Neutron]

If FOX is really concerned about people watching their shows outside their homes then they need to take down all full episodes and clips from their website and Hulu.

This lawsuit is stupid!

 

[dvrexpander]

I believe FOX is right, Dish is wrong with what they have done on copyrights and contracts with the AutoHop and the hoppers with sling. I just hope if they lose in Cali they are forced to block them all over the country and will have to rebuild these pcs of junk. Perhaps this time they can make them work like Direct's SWM and only require 1 cable from the dish or download software faster than the old receivers from the late 90's.

 

[lparsons21]

Nope, Dish is right.

Sling (and Nomad from D*), just taking the DVR portable. So if Fox is right on that, then every DVR out there would need to be shut down too. I'm sure you can't wait for that to happen.

As to your rant on Dish's implementation of MOCA. Not much difference between what D* is doing from a wiring standpoint. Major difference is that from the dish to the Node (or splitter in D*'s case), Dish uses more than one. From there on it is one cable to one box. D*'s only benefit in the wiring is that in SOME cases you can split again at other places. I'm not sure that is a big plus.

And having watched the software downloads on D* and E*, software downloads just aren't a big difference at all.

 

[dvrexpander]

Nope, Dish is right.

Sling (and Nomad from D*), just taking the DVR portable. So if Fox is right on that, then every DVR out there would need to be shut down too. I'm sure you can't wait for that to happen.

As to your rant on Dish's implementation of MOCA. Not much difference between what D* is doing from a wiring standpoint. Major difference is that from the dish to the Node (or splitter in D*'s case), Dish uses more than one. From there on it is one cable to one box. D*'s only benefit in the wiring is that in SOME cases you can split again at other places. I'm not sure that is a big plus.

And having watched the software downloads on D* and E*, software downloads just aren't a big difference at all.

Bias... you have a hopper with sling, so of course you don't want it touched. I'd love to see them trashed and remade to work/perform in a different manner. The downloads are horrible slow - it is 2013, no reason why these things should take longer than 5 minutes to download/reset and work.

 

[lparsons21]

I suggest you do some work on your network if it is taking you that long. But then again, how many times are you doing downloads?

Yes, I do have a Hopper w/Sling, thanks for noticing. But a DVR is a DVR, portability doesn't change that and that is exactly what the 'transfer' function offers, same as the Nomad from D*. So if you outlaw that, there goes all those DVRs.

 

[nmoline]

I am not sure what Fox has to lose from DishAnywhere? I use DishAnywhere to watch my programming in my office. If I watch a Fox program while at work, I will see every commercial they provide. Their advertisers will get more eyeballs on the ads using DishAnywhere. Without it, I would never have been able to watch that show at 2pm and therefore not seen the ad.

What is the damage to Fox from DishAnywhere?

 

[Gobucks]

I believe FOX is right, Dish is wrong with what they have done on copyrights and contracts with the AutoHop and the hoppers with sling. I just hope if they lose in Cali they are forced to block them all over the country and will have to rebuild these pcs of junk. Perhaps this time they can make them work like Direct's SWM and only require 1 cable from the dish or download software faster than the old receivers from the late 90's.

I left Direct because their DVR's were so damn slow and I had the HR24. Don't get me started on the HR23 I had. I get your a Direct "fanboy". Why be a "fanboy" of any TV provider is beyond me but OK. My Hopper's run circles around the HR DVR's. My sister has the HR34 and is so damn frustrated with it she is ready to pay the fee and jump to Dish.

I'm not a fan of any TV provider. I left Direct because I was so damn sick of the slow DVR's. The guide took forever to come up the changing the channel took forever. When and if they fix that I will take another look at them.

Fox is full of it. Slingbox has been around for years and they didn't do a thing about it till now. They just want everything to go their way and its not happening. Plain and simple.

 

[GaryPen]

"Paying for a satellite television subscription does not buy anyone the right to receive Fox's live broadcast signal over the Internet or to make copies of Fox programs to watch 'on the go'," the Fox filing states...

Actually, it does, based on previous rulings in place-shifting and fair use cases.

 

[GaryPen]

I suggest you do some work on your network if it is taking you that long. But then again, how many times are you doing downloads?

He's referring to the software downloads and initial installation. He's an installer.

But, if Dish would simply add Internet SW downloading, and the ability to re-run updates manually to overwrite possible corrupted SW, it would make things easier.

 

[ThomasTrain]

"Fox contends that any 'purported' right Dish asserts to place shift programming does not apply because it is not a consumer. 'It is not 'consumer place-shifting' when Dish retransmits Fox's signal over the Internet, in violation of its license agreement, to get more people to subscribe to Dish Network,' Fox said. 'It's piracy.'"

Dish isn't transmitting it over the Internet. I (the Consumer) is via my sling adapter.

I agree. And there is another piece that specifically talks about transmission over the Internet in that piece. Slingboxes and the Sling Adapter do not allow for 'public performance' or publich transmission.. instead they allow the original authorized and licensed consumer to playback the programs over the internet to themselves and on their own personal devices using a non-public means of authentication. That is not public display or public retransmission.

"Fox also pointed to the decision in Fox vs. Barry Diller's Aerero service, which came after Fox's initial injunction requests against Dish had been denied. In that case, a court enjoined that service, said Fox, and affirmed that "retransmitting copyrighted broadcast TV over the Internet without permission is copyright infringement because it violates the copyright owner's exclusive right to publicly perform the programs, which are copyrighted works."

Now as to the Ipad transfer app.. that one's definately a little more touchy as technically you could call that unauthorized copying.. however, fair use may still apply since it is only permitted to be copied to the original authorized and license consumer's devices (i.e.: security is assumed contrained to the original consumer due to requiring local physical access to the DVR). The courts have historically held that consumers do have fair-use rights to make copies (aka: DVD copying) for their own personal use, though I don't believe it specifically applies to DVR transfers so well have to wait and see on that one.

 

[dare2be]

Bias...

Pot meet kettle.

 

[dare2be]

Playing devil's advocate here on the iPad transfers: What is to stop someone from transferring shows to a friend's iPad? EHDs are tied to the account and can only be played on the receivers on that account, so there is no chance for sharing/distributing there. But it appears to be on the iPad.

 

[lucky86]

Playing devil's advocate here on the iPad transfers: What is to stop someone from transferring shows to a friend's iPad? EHDs are tied to the account and can only be played on the receivers on that account, so there is no chance for sharing/distributing there. But it appears to be on the iPad.

Maybe the iPad UDID?

 

[dare2be]

Who did what?

 

[mike123abc]

It is a death by 1000 cuts strategy. Sue Dish for every possible reason to end the hopper. It also sets an example of what will happen to you as a cable/DBS company and try to introduce commercial skipping software. The networks are going for scorched earth. They do not care what stops the hopper as long as it is stopped.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Now as to the Ipad transfer app.. that one's definately a little more touchy as technically you could call that unauthorized copying.. however, fair use may still apply since it is only permitted to be copied to the original authorized and license consumer's devices (i.e.: security is assumed contrained to the original consumer due to requiring local physical access to the DVR). The courts have historically held that consumers do have fair-use rights to make copies (aka: DVD copying) for their own personal use, though I don't believe it specifically applies to DVR transfers so well have to wait and see on that one.

And what makes it different then the DIRECTV NOMAD which does the same thing and has been out for close to 3 years?

 

[costanzas_wallet]

Guarantee.. any new contracts will include pages and pages of anti-hopper / anti-sling / anti-ptat language.