I live in Kansas city, I have Directv and love it and will never change.But this is my big bitch. Timewarner has over 50 HD channels and do not count PPV HD.I see that Directv has 14 FSN HD. I have Midwest FSN HD.Timewarner has all the main stream HD channels and even ESPNU HD and Travel channel HD. NFL, MLB, HOCKEY. Now i love sports, and i do not need all the FSN channels. I guest what i am saying they have all the big name HD channels. Two bigger ones than Directv, Travel HD and USPNU HD. My mom and dad have Dish network and still waiting for Fox news HD. Cable is adding better HD channels and not counting crap.
Look at Timewarner cable
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According to this:
The Official AVS National HD Channel Lineups - Cable, DBS, Fiber - Updated 11/10/08! - AVS Forum
From the top down, Verizon is first with 93 national hd, Time Warner Cable is 2nd with 76, At&t Uverse is third with 71, and the 'leader in hd' directv is now 4th place.
Personally, when Uverse gets here, I may dump D*.
The Official AVS National HD Channel Lineups - Cable, DBS, Fiber - Updated 11/10/08! - AVS Forum
From the top down, Verizon is first with 93 national hd, Time Warner Cable is 2nd with 76, At&t Uverse is third with 71, and the 'leader in hd' directv is now 4th place.
Personally, when Uverse gets here, I may dump D*.
Be careful with U-Verse. They are limited in how many video streams can be active in your house. I have 9 tuners active and U-Verse currently can't supply that many. And as U-Verse does increase the number of streams, it comes at the expense of PQ because they have a limited amount of bandwidth to send to the house. As they add more streams that bandwidth is chopped into smaller and smaller pieces.
Now if you got FiOS in your area instead of U-Verse then you would have something. I wish we would get FiOS in my area but we are getting U-Verse instead.
D* can choose to target a particular HD market segment, that's fine. But if they are indeed 4th in HD, they shouldn't pretend that they are the HD leader.
Verizon now has 40% more national HD channels than D*. That isn't even close.
That U-Verse bandwidth splitting. Would that impact PQ if one has only 3 tuners?
The old ""grass is always greener folks" that chase numbers and then a month or two later after they switch the company they just left becomes the leader and they are either griping again or making every excuse in the book to justify.
Just to add fuel to the fire....
I didn't see the RSN's listed on that list anywhere. Just like the movie packages, they are available to any DirectTV subscriber by paying an additional fee. This would significantly up their count.
If you're going to count the movie packages, then you need to count the RSN's.
I was one of those "grass is greener" guys and dropped direct after 7 years for one year of Time Warner (northeast ohio) and let me say
HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE, my cable was out consistently, and they would literally tell me over the phone "oh well" and then not credit me (this was several times)...
The HD would look great, BUT, the standard channels were horrible, very fuzzy and blurry, and dont get me started on how often the ON DEMAND was out, and that is not including the equipment that would pick and choose when it would work....
I thought the same thing and within one year I was back with Directv and, again (just like the previous seven years I was with them), I havent had a problem and still currently dont....
Trust me, stay where you are....
HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE, my cable was out consistently, and they would literally tell me over the phone "oh well" and then not credit me (this was several times)...
The HD would look great, BUT, the standard channels were horrible, very fuzzy and blurry, and dont get me started on how often the ON DEMAND was out, and that is not including the equipment that would pick and choose when it would work....
I thought the same thing and within one year I was back with Directv and, again (just like the previous seven years I was with them), I havent had a problem and still currently dont....
Trust me, stay where you are....
By definition a Regional Sports Network is not a national channel. That list was counting national HD channels.
I was just saying look at timewarner
I had no clue that Directv was number 4 on the list. What i am trying to say is that cable seems to have better HD channels than Dish or Directv. Yes all of you a right cable service sucks i would never go back to cable done that i do like all the sports in HD. I do think it is time for Directv and Dish to stop playing the HD game with PPV. They have so many more HD channels to pick from.How does cable beat both satellite companys on getting USPNU HD and fox news HD. I know Directv add fox news HD 3 weeks ago. KILL THE PPV AND give us true HD. OH! to the guy that said here we go. I like starting thing up.
I had no clue that Directv was number 4 on the list. What i am trying to say is that cable seems to have better HD channels than Dish or Directv. Yes all of you a right cable service sucks i would never go back to cable done that i do like all the sports in HD. I do think it is time for Directv and Dish to stop playing the HD game with PPV. They have so many more HD channels to pick from.How does cable beat both satellite companys on getting USPNU HD and fox news HD. I know Directv add fox news HD 3 weeks ago. KILL THE PPV AND give us true HD. OH! to the guy that said here we go. I like starting thing up.
So they don't count as a national channel if you can get them anywhere in the nation? Or is it just because they offer localized programming that they shouldn't be counted as a national channel? Either way, that list is inaccurate by your standards then because it does include things like the superstations (which offer localized programming) and the Big Ten Network.
The various cable providers also offer RSNs, don't know how they stack up vs D*'s RSNs.
The Big Ten Network technically is a national channel, it is sold as a national package.
One of the troubles with counting the RSNs is that many of them carry duplicate programming. If you are watching the same sports talk show on 15 different RSNs, should that count as 15 national channels?
The Big Ten Network technically is a national channel, it is sold as a national package.
One of the troubles with counting the RSNs is that many of them carry duplicate programming. If you are watching the same sports talk show on 15 different RSNs, should that count as 15 national channels?
My point is that there is no one accepted standard for counting channels.
As to the RSN's, how is the duplicate programming they carry any different from the various channels that HBO, Showtime, etc... offer? You can have the same program/movie on multiple channels within those movie packs. Does that mean that HBO should count as one channel?
No I have the #1. If I can not purchase the service from any of the other three how can they be a provider for me? If they can't be a provider then they can't be on my list can they.
They may not be your provider, but nevertheless, they are providers in the same USA marketplace. Your town or location does determine the rankings. They are the #1 option for you, but are still #4 in their market competition.
This is almost always true in a smaller town for almost every product or service.
This is almost always true in a smaller town for almost every product or service.
Since DirecTV and Dish are the only two providers on that list that are truly nationwide providers, how can a cable company that offers service to a limited area be number one? If that company only offers it's service to 5% of the population, they can't be the number one provider, can they?
Given the coverage maps, it looks like Verizon FIOS is available to well over 5% of the population. The greater NYC metro area alone is close to that.
No one has stated that Verizon is #1 in households served. What we are saying is that amongst the leading providers of DBS & Cable, Verizon FIOS offers the most national HD channels.
I would agree that if a cable service in one town in central Ohio is offering more HD than anyone, that it wouldn't be that significant.
D* has been stating for over 1.5 years now that they are the HD leader. That they have more capacity than cable providers. However major cable/fiber providers like Verizon, Time-Warner, and AT&T have passed D* in the actual number of national HD channels being offered. I think this is important to note. These are D*'s competitors for millions of subscribers.
Just because a service is only available in a select number of large cities does not mean it isn't a significant competitor to D*. There are over 100 million people in the USA's 11 largest metropolitan areas. Over 50% of the US population lives in the top 30 metro areas. If D* doesn't effectively compete in these lucrative metro areas, then it will affect their overall profitability.
No one has stated that Verizon is #1 in households served. What we are saying is that amongst the leading providers of DBS & Cable, Verizon FIOS offers the most national HD channels.
I would agree that if a cable service in one town in central Ohio is offering more HD than anyone, that it wouldn't be that significant.
D* has been stating for over 1.5 years now that they are the HD leader. That they have more capacity than cable providers. However major cable/fiber providers like Verizon, Time-Warner, and AT&T have passed D* in the actual number of national HD channels being offered. I think this is important to note. These are D*'s competitors for millions of subscribers.
Just because a service is only available in a select number of large cities does not mean it isn't a significant competitor to D*. There are over 100 million people in the USA's 11 largest metropolitan areas. Over 50% of the US population lives in the top 30 metro areas. If D* doesn't effectively compete in these lucrative metro areas, then it will affect their overall profitability.
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