Shocking News: McGwire Admits Using Steroids!!!!

Which is it floppy? Make up your mind. Take a stance already! :)

I have.....but like always....because it is not YOUR STANCE...therefore, it is an issue.
Look....I have never been convinced that it does. THAT is why the word "MAY" was CAPITOLIZED.

You tried this VERY SAME thing the last time.....:rolleyes:
 
LMAO....you think!! Makes ya wonder if this a publicity stunt to get him back in the game, clear his name and improve his chances to be in the HOF. I mean he really is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I do feel bad for him.

That is the worst part of his situation, I mean if he was Bonds...an a$$hole, it's one thing....
Allegedly this is the one of the reasons for yesterday's coming out. As an active member of the Cardinals coaching staff he will be once again subject to media scrutiny. And, what about LaRussa's statement that he is considering using McGwire as a pinch-hitter in 2010?? This would extend his HOF candidacy because his activation would take his name off the HOF ballots for at least the next 5 years. Maybe by then a lot of the media against PED players won't be around to vote anymore.....

LaRussa has dream of using McGwire as pinch-hitter
 
But you are just as delusional as McGwire is to think that it doesn't help. Don't you think that if Mickey Mantle had these that he could have recovered from his first knee injury and been able to play his entire career with healthy knees and demolished Babe Ruth's records.
Laying off the booze would have helped too.
 
Allegedly this is the one of the reasons for yesterday's coming out. As an active member of the Cardinals coaching staff he will be once again subject to media scrutiny. And, what about LaRussa's statement that he is considering using McGwire as a pinch-hitter in 2010?? This would extend his HOF candidacy because his activation would take his name off the HOF ballots for at least the next 5 years. Maybe by then a lot of the media against PED players won't be around to vote anymore.....

LaRussa has dream of using McGwire as pinch-hitter

Not surprised. As much as I dislike LaRussa, alot of his quirky sh** always seems to work.

IF there was ever a guy that proves just about everyone was doing the PEDs, it's McGuire. He was ALREADY known as a home run slugger and quite possibly didn't need to do it other than the pressure to perform at the peak level he was use to and needed to. THIS is one of the guys I really feel bad for in all this fiasco.
 
I was joking around.

Ever hear those commercials for anti-depression medications. They seem more like depression causing medication. One of the side effects includes thoughts of suicide.
I know, I was too. I just forgot the little ;)

It's true about those meds though; the side-effects are often worse than the symptoms you are taking the meds for.....
 
Not surprised. As much as I dislike LaRussa, alot of his quirky sh** always seems to work.

IF there was ever a guy that proves just about everyone was doing the PEDs, it's McGuire. He was ALREADY known as a home run slugger and quite possibly didn't need to do it other than the pressure to perform at the peak level he was use to and needed to. THIS is one of the guys I really feel bad for in all this fiasco.
And that's what makes yesterday's events a sham. Do we really think he took steroids to rebound from injury faster, for 10 years??? :confused:

At least Pettitte's timeline makes sense, with the same excuse.
 
Reality.

- Hitting a baseball is hard. It is probably the single most difficult thing to do in sports, which is why baseball is such a wonderful game. However, the skill that is important is to, as the saying goes, "hit it where they ain't". Without cheating, Bonds, Sosa, McGuire and other cheat would have been just three more members of that mediocre gang that is good for a HR every week or so, and a long fly out every other time. By cheating, these guys added 10 or 20 or howmanyever feet to their flyouts.

- If you read Game of Shadows, and I have, you understand the complex regimine of steroids, masking agents, female fertility drugs, AIDS drugs and other major chemicals that these cheats took. This is nothing like just buying a couple of bags of pot from some street corner, and if you think it is, you do not understand the issue well enough to have an informed opinion.

- If you read GOS, you also understand that many of these drugs were obtained from AIDS patients on Medicaid welfare and others who were despirate for money. That is welfare fraud, and it is sickening.

- If Bud "Light" (Kennesaw Molehill) Selig, knew, or should have known what was going on, and told any voter in any taxpayer extortion election to vote for the stadium tax based on the idea that it was actual legitimate baseball that was going on there, then he is guilty of fraud and should be jailed. There is no statute of limitations on fraud.

- If Bud "Light" (Kennesaw Molehill) Selig, did not know what was going on, then his is an incompentent fool and should resign this afternoon.

- I do not want to get into a discussion of unions generally, but one thing that unions do for workers is try to make working conditions as safe as they can be, whatever the industry. Steroids are bad for you. Very bad. And, in any sport, there really are only two alternatives. They can be illegal or manditory. A real union would want to protect its members by keeping them from having to take horriable drugs to compete. The perversion of unionism that is the MLBPA, rather, wanted to help its members cheat, and to help them commit hundreds of felonies in two nations in order to cheat.

- Thus nothing that any of these cheats did actually happened. That simple. They are unworthy of the "but they would have done X% of what they did if they were not cheaters." First, those estimates, as explained above, are tremendously generous. But more importantly, because they do not deserve you and I engaging in that discussion.

- Three words must be said in light of the reaction of unindicted co-conspirator Selig. Peter Edward Rose.
Not to mention steroids help in other ways as well:


  • Helps one heal quicker, meaning more games to play in which they can add more HR totals
  • Helps them sustain stamina at the end of the year when many or fatiguing
  • Helps build strength to were they can use a heavier bat without losing bat speed to generate more force with the swing (especially at the end of the season when many players start going with a lighter bat)
  • Placebo - Helps them build confidence in themselves to believe they can do better. In baseball that is a huge factor.
 
NO....YOU and Sandra said it DOES help you hit the ball farther. I said it MAY or MAY NOT. For every BIG home run hitter you brought up.....I brought up two players that were caught cheating that did NOTHING for their career. I have ALSO stuck to my guns that PEDs does NOT....I repeat....DOES NOT make you a better baseball player.
But it does shift the bell shaped curve measuring success further to the right; meaning there will still be some players more than two standard deviations to the left of the curve (the less successful ones) or even slightly skew the curve to the right.
 
I would not doubt that it would have help. But you STILL have to SEE THE BALL to HIT THE BALL which is THE concept of baseball.

And you don't think that IF this stuff was around....he wouldn't have used it? And if Babe Ruth would have had it...you don't think HE would have used it?

IF you said no to any of these answers.....WHO is the delusional one?;)
IOW, it makes good hitters play longer, stronger, and hit the ball further? Isn't that still helping?
 
But it does shift the bell shaped curve measuring success further to the right; meaning there will still be some players more than two standard deviations to the left of the curve (the less successful ones) or even slightly skew the curve to the right.

IF you skills are diminishing, it due to age. Take the PEDs, it will keep it at the same high level....did nto make you better. Made you stronger....maybe even faster, but if your eye sight goes...you reaction to the ball....PEDs will not mean jack!
 
IF you skills are diminishing, it due to age. Take the PEDs, it will keep it at the same high level....did nto make you better. Made you stronger....maybe even faster, but if your eye sight goes...you reaction to the ball....PEDs will not mean jack!
Look at McGwire's stats:

1986-1994: 16.8 ab/hr (4006 ab, 238 hr)
1995-2001: 10.7 ab/hr (4311 ab, 403 hr)

Home runs came more often as he got older. Doesn't make sense unless the juice gave him an edge.
 
IF you skills are diminishing, it due to age. Take the PEDs, it will keep it at the same high level....did nto make you better. Made you stronger....maybe even faster, but if your eye sight goes...you reaction to the ball....PEDs will not mean jack!
So if all of this is true, whey did he hide it ? Why is he saying he's sorry? He cheated , he cheated the game. He's a fraud.
 
IOW, it makes good hitters play longer, stronger, and hit the ball further? Isn't that still helping?

It MAY have helped...but is it making him a better baseball player?

Here is the lost from the Mitchell report....look at ALL the NON big home run hitters on that list. Why were they ALL jacking out twice as many homer or throwing 5-10 mph faster on the fastball??

The following players were connected to steroids, either use or possession, in the report:

* Lenny Dykstra
* David Segui
* Larry Bigbie
* Brian Roberts
* Jack Cust
* Tim Laker
* Josias Manzanillo
* Todd Hundley
* Mark Carreon
* Hal Morris
* Matt Franco
* Rondell White
* Andy Pettitte
* Roger Clemens
* Chuck Knoblauch
* Jason Grimsley
* Gregg Zaun
* David Justice
* F.P. Santangelo
* Glenallen Hill
* Mo Vaughn
* Denny Neagle
* Ron Villone
* Ryan Franklin
* Chris Donnels
* Todd Williams
* Phil Hiatt
* Todd Pratt
* Kevin Young
* Mike Lansing
* Cody McKay
* Kent Mercker
* Adam Piatt
* Miguel Tejada
* Jason Christiansen
* Mike Stanton
* Stephen Randolph
* Jerry Hairston
* Paul Lo Duca
* Adam Riggs
* Bart Miadich
* Fernando Vina
* Kevin Brown
* Eric Gagne
* Mike Bell
* Matt Herges
* Gary Bennett
* Jim Parque
* Brendan Donnelly
* Chad Allen
* Jeff Williams
* Exavier "Nook" Logan
* Howie Clark
* Paxton Crawford
* Ken Caminiti
* Rafael Palmeiro
* Luis Perez
* Derrick Turnbow
* Ricky Bones
* Ricky Stone


Then there are these two lists:

The following players were cited under "Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball."

* Rick Ankiel
* David Bell
* Paul Byrd
* Jose Canseco
* Jay Gibbons
* Troy Glaus
* Jason Grimsley
* Jose Guillen
* Darren Holmes
* Gary Matthews Jr.
* John Rocker
* Scott Schoeneweis
* Ismael Valdez
* Matt Williams
* Steve Woodard


The following players were linked through BALCO:

* Benito Santiago
* Gary Sheffield
* Randy Velarde
* Jason Giambi
* Jeremy Giambi
* Bobby Estalella
* Barry Bonds
* Marvin Benard

These are ALL from the famous/unfamous Mitchell Report. For EVERY big home run hitter...there is 2 guys that the PEDs did NOTHING for them or very little.
 
So if all of this is true, whey did he hide it ? Why is he saying he's sorry? He cheated , he cheated the game. He's a fraud.

Because it was embarrassing as hell that he got caught. IF YOU get caught doing something that is now considered bad....does YOUR sh** get blown ALL OVER the media for the WHOLE world to see??!! Nope.

Pete Rose bet on baseball. He may have done AFTER he was out. But the point is, he DID and that was A MAJOR rule. He denied it TWICE as long as McGuire denied his wrong doing.
 
But you are just as delusional as McGwire is to think that it doesn't help. Don't you think that if Mickey Mantle had these that he could have recovered from his first knee injury and been able to play his entire career with healthy knees and demolished Babe Ruth's records.
Mickey Mantle:confused::confused: How about Josh Gibson!! He did break babe ruth's record.. Mantle got to play when the leage was very watered down not all the best talent was on the field!
 
Mickey Mantle:confused::confused: How about Josh Gibson!! He did break babe ruth's record.. Mantle got to play when the leage was very watered down not all the best talent was on the field!

Don't bring up race. This is not the time for it. While you are right, there is nothing I or you can do about it.
 

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