Conversion and ZK/FP Channels...

[johnnyglobal]

Is it just my 920?

I did a little playing around and found that when you go sat surfing and land on the other digital channes on G5, C3, & G1, it resets my 920 to recieve the origional signal from Motorola. I had to re-do the steps that Mike from Skyvision announced on Ralph's show. I wonder if that is a bug they (comcast, skyvision, programming center, someone) can and will fix. Or maybe Motorola isn't done with their signal yet either. I don't know, but I wanted to see if anyone else had that problem too. Thank you all for your help and keep up the good work!

 

[TheTechGuru]

I did a little playing around and found that when you go sat surfing and land on the other digital channes on G5, C3, & G1, it resets my 920 to recieve the origional signal from Motorola. I had to re-do the steps that Mike from Skyvision announced on Ralph's show. I wonder if that is a bug they (comcast, skyvision, programming center, someone) can and will fix. Or maybe Motorola isn't done with their signal yet either. I don't know, but I wanted to see if anyone else had that problem too. Thank you all for your help and keep up the good work!

That would actually be a good thing that don't need fixing.

If that's true it should re-enable FP and U channels.

 

[tvropro]

FP should play as long as the receiver was originally authorized at one time. An EMM provider should not effect this. Are you saying that on a 922 once you did the conversion no FP works or just "U" ? "U" won't work that I know but fixed process is suppose to work. Am I reading this right that we won't be able to watch our generics when in FP if we convert? Someone with a 922 converted and has subs on X4 try this test. Go to G5 program in CG@G5 and tune to channel 304 & 305. Color bars should pop in. If you go to 302 & 303 it will say "This channel is not available"
If that works as I described then it is working as in theory it should.

 

[stargaze]

So will I have to unplug my receiver every time I go from watching a X4 channel to listening to my choice of music or what?

Anything playing with 'U' & ZK or FP on W5 and X4 will play fine after the conversion workaround process.
Once you leave W5/X4 then you have problems.

some are saying once you leave W5/X4 the receiver reverts back to the other EMM but again while I can see the number change on Diagnostic screen A this will not bring back any channel playing with the 'U' status.

Yes it is correct your reading this right!
If you convert using the workaround process on the 922 receiver you will not be able to just go over to another satellite or generic and watch FP or ZK signals on any other satellite with the exception of the HITS signals that are in FP, U or ZK, right off. You will have to unplug the receiver to be able to do this.
Just a FYI, my 922 has always had at least 1 channel subbed all these years.

Again others are saying different things but none mention which receiver they are using. I am speaking about the 922 receivers only as that is the only one I tried it on.
Are the 920 receivers acting the same? I do not know.
Are the 905's working the same way? I have no idea.
It's time for those saying differently to post which receivers they are using and exactly which channels they are referring to.

I have tried out GB-410 & GB-802 Neither will work any longer no matter what, even unplugging/replugging will bring these channels back.

T4-600 NEB PBS will no longer come in and play.
M5-780 800 range will no longer come in.

Any channel with missing ratings info will not come in.

All the above in Green will work if you unplug the receiver then plug it back in again.

Any channel that fits in the Blue color will be gone forever!

This is only for channels that are not on W5 & X4 as those are all under the new EMM and your receiver will work for any of those channels with the HITS EMM. Once you move away from this satellite then you find everything posted here to be true.

 

[tvropro]

Anything playing with 'U' & ZK or FP on W5 and X4 will play fine after the conversion workaround process.
Once you leave W5/X4 then you have problems.

some are saying once you leave W5/X4 the receiver reverts back to the other EMM but again while I can see the number change on Diagnostic screen A this will not bring back any channel playing with the 'U' status.

Yes it is correct your reading this right!
If you convert using the workaround process on the 922 receiver you will not be able to just go over to another satellite or generic and watch FP or ZK signals on any other satellite with the exception of the HITS signals that are in FP, U or ZK, right off. You will have to unplug the receiver to be able to do this.
Just a FYI, my 922 has always had at least 1 channel subbed all these years.

Again others are saying different things but none mention which receiver they are using. I am speaking about the 922 receivers only as that is the only one I tried it on.
Are the 920 receivers acting the same? I do not know.
Are the 905's working the same way? I have no idea.
It's time for those saying differently to post which receivers they are using and exactly which channels they are referring to.

I have tried out GB-410 & GB-802 Neither will work any longer no matter what, even unplugging/replugging will bring these channels back.

T4-600 NEB PBS will no longer come in and play.
M5-780 800 range will no longer come in.

Any channel with missing ratings info will not come in.

All the above in Green will work if you unplug the receiver then plug it back in again.

Any channel that fits in the Blue color will be gone forever!

This is only for channels that are not on W5 & X4 as those are all under the new EMM and your receiver will work for any of those channels with the HITS EMM. Once you move away from this satellite then you find everything posted here to be true.

If thats the case thats a crock. I can live without "U" but not the generic FP's. I have not converted my 922 yet and have a request into one of the testers to try something. That will be the deciding point for my 922. I have to be able to access my generics when in FP. What your saying Stargaze is going against my understanding of the DC2 and how it works. What is special about the 4096 EMM bit for FP? Commercial receivers once auth once will play all FP. I don't know of any special bit contained in 4096 to auth FP masters. The ratings bug is a work around thing using a remote command.

Just what are you seeing on the G5 Disney masters using a generic? is there any message on the screen? What do the diagnostics say where we normally see a S/S or S/NS

 

[JAS]

FP should play as long as the receiver was originally authorized at one time. An EMM provider should not effect this. Are you saying that on a 922 once you did the conversion no FP works or just "U" ? "U" won't work that I know but fixed process is suppose to work. Am I reading this right that we won't be able to watch our generics when in FP if we convert? Someone with a 922 converted and has subs on X4 try this test. Go to G5 program in CG@G5 and tune to channel 304 & 305. Color bars should pop in. If you go to 302 & 303 it will say "This channel is not available"
If that works as I described then it is working as in theory it should.

Working as you stated. My 922 does not require the unplugging method to work. The NET T4 600 s work as before I do not have M5 programmed in so not sure about them. SCFI and Sleuth elsewhere work fine. No special things have to be done with My 922.

 

[Davage]

I've looked at CG-304 CG-305 @ G5, and I'm getting color bars and sound - Authorization Mode = FP. I've listened to the ZK audio on T7, I've watched the ZK networks on W3 - they're working. (I've got W3 602 running as I type this). I've also listened to the Music Choice audio using the CA generic. Working fine.

GB-410 - has a message saying This channel is not available.

T4-600 has always been a challenge for my 7.5 ft Sami. I've never really been able to lock on to those properly. I've had a couple spikes of signal this morning on that channel, but I can't confirm how well it works.

 

[Diamond Jim]

T4-600 has always been a challenge for my 7.5 ft Sami. I've never really been able to lock on to those properly. I've had a couple spikes of signal this morning on that channel, but I can't confirm how well it works.

Same for me. I have not had a signal on T4-600 for over a month. At one time I could get 601, but not 600. I went somewhere, but I can't remember where, maybe W5-150 and stayed there over night with the receiver on and 600 came in. I tried the unplug/replug this morning with no results. I have not made the conversion and don't plan to unless the wife wants some subscripitions.

 

[phrantic]

I have not converted my 922, however T4-600 signal is Q=62 in Southern Alberta and coming in fine...

 

[Corrado]

If there's risk of losing the generic capability I won't convert my 922 then. I'll just continue on with the 410. I wasn't aware the EMM provider played a role in the decoding of the DCII in FP or ZK, but it makes sense now that I think about it.

 

[stargaze]

If there's risk of losing the generic capability I won't convert my 922 then. I'll just continue on with the 410. I wasn't aware the EMM provider played a role in the decoding of the DCII in FP or ZK, but it makes sense now that I think about it.

You need to read what I posted using the 922 receiver.
I highlighted items in different colors to try to explain quite specifically what to expect if you do the workaround conversion process using 922 receiver in this thread yesterday.
Read it carefully as it is all in there.

 

[stargaze]

If thats the case thats a crock. I can live without "U" but not the generic FP's. I have not converted my 922 yet and have a request into one of the testers to try something. That will be the deciding point for my 922. I have to be able to access my generics when in FP. What your saying Stargaze is going against my understanding of the DC2 and how it works. What is special about the 4096 EMM bit for FP? Commercial receivers once auth once will play all FP. I don't know of any special bit contained in 4096 to auth FP masters. The ratings bug is a work around thing using a remote command.

Just what are you seeing on the G5 Disney masters using a generic? is there any message on the screen? What do the diagnostics say where we normally see a S/S or S/NS

Channels like Showtime or others on C3 came up with the grey screen saying channel not available or something similar since they were in the "S" status.

I have already written what I have seen using the 922 and have explained it in detail. What you want to believe or not believe is up to you.
I did this to my 922 because so many were throwing out incorrect info and making things up that I could not believe myself. If it were not true I would not have posted what I did!
I have been using the receivers since they first came out and know a bit about them.
Going off the HITS satellite and unplugging the receiver brought back the FP and ZK signals. I have not gone back to W5 to see what would happen next.

That I leave up to you.
You have a 922 receiver so you will experience the same as me.
I also stated that I do not know what the 920's or 905's would do as I have not heard anyone else come out saying which receivers they are using when trying things out. It may or may not make a difference.
We are talking about a totally different EMM code, before the receivers had 2 of them in it, now after the process you have only 1 since you clear out the old EMM code. It (the new HITS EMM) works differently then the one from Motorola!

 

[JAS]

I do not know if this will help or not or if I have done the update correctly. Hopefully this info will help some of you experts figure out what is going on.

DSR 922 about 5 or 6 years old

I did the update by moving the dish to X4 216 . Then pressed options 6-7-7-8-0 to clear the old 4096 EMM. Then went to WebSams and press the "activate services" button first followed by the "rehit unit" button. The trip counter went from 0 to 5 and channel 216 came back on. All my subs were back and provider is 4160, number of channels in options 6-5 are 4782

I have not lost any of the ZK or FP channels yet and do not have to unplug the receiver to get them. I get none of the U channels.

 

[Davage]

I've done the conversion. My receiver is taking hits from the 4160 EMM provider. Option 67781 confirms that my receiver is running on 4160.

I have checked an AM able to view these channels.. Just some random checking listed below - I haven't done all of the satellites by any means..

C4-581 - Northwest Cable News - Authorization Status - ZK
GENERIC - CG-304 / CG-305 (CG @ G5) - Have tone and color bars - Authorization Status - FP
W3-The 3 ZK channels in the 600's that are currently running there - working fine
T4-601/602 - NET PBS (Weak Signal on my 7.5ft Sami, but they are working) - ZK
GB-752 - CCTV4 - FP
GB-783 - Advertising TV of some sort - FP
G9-820's - Music Channels - ZK
M5-805, 806, 808,809 - Edusat from Mexico - ZK
T7-891 to 896 - Radio Stations - ZK

Anybody who doesn't subscribe to the W5/X4 channels are able to make their own decision as to whether they want to convert or not.

If the Digicipher II system is anything like it's predecessor the Videocipher II, on the 3rd day of the month, the category keys (Monthly Keys) for 2 months would be loaded into the receivers. That means that there is potential that anybody who's 4DTV unit took an authorization hit on Jan 3rd, could possibly have received the January and February keys. They will then get an extended preview period of any subscriptions that they had on that date, because at this time there are no 'shutdown' hits being sent to any 4DTV units. I think that the true test will be in March after the new category key goes into play.

 

[sonyajon]

Davage,

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is the difffernce between ZK and FP?

Thank you

 

[highskies]

What happens if the 922 Auth Status screen is now showing as OC? Does this mean it's pretty much history at this point, or will unplugging fix anything? I haven't done the conversion yet, but a few chs that have been itc forever, they started showing OC in Auth Status screen. The only reason i haven't unplugged anything yet is because I suspect the clock will probably be wrong afterwards. Otherwise I would have already tried it.

 

[Anony55]

Davage,

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is the difffernce between ZK and FP?

Thank you

FP = FixedProcessKey... requires previous authorization.

ZK = ZeroKey... No key used, previous authorization not required.

FP is technically still encrypted, but uses a common key that all units have once they've been used for a sub.

Cheers

 

[stoker_x1]

I have what seems to be a different problem. I apologize if I am only covering info posted somewhere else, but have been reading all morning.

The 922 that I had programing on died after a power failure two days ago. Fortunately I have several and replaced the dead one with a 922 that has a new battery. My current 922 was out of the stream for at least four years. When I checked the Sat titles by using the remote and 644, I had 66 satellites listed including all the generics. The problem is there's was not a title for W5 or X4. So I checked the generic Sats and found that the only one that came close to what is needed for W5 was CF. I programed it in at the W5 location and found a DCII channel and green light. I went to WEBsams, entered the 922 ID info and pressed Rehit. It worked and X4 showed up, but no W5.

Here is the problem. X4 has only 3 channels, 255 TCM, 400 ESPN Classic and 643 GSN. CF on the other hand has Movie channels not in the clear from120 to 369 all mixed up skipping channels in between the two numbers. CF has opened up some of my paid channels but not all and they jump around and over empty channels. I have channels 440, 441, 443, 446, 451, 452, 520, 527, 532, and ESPN Classic at channel 131. There is at least one channel playing right now that is not listed as a channel available to me in the family pack. In fact, it is not listed anywhere, and it is OWN. My receiver is taking hits from the 4160 EMM provider on both X4 and CF, but my channels are not numbered in the way Programing Center said they should be.

I don't get half of my paid stations. I've tried everything this morning and now have brain lock. Could someone explain how to fix this problem?

Thanks

 

[TheTechGuru]

Stargaze, what generation is your 922? A GI or Moto?

 

[tvropro]

What happens if the 922 Auth Status screen is now showing as OC? Does this mean it's pretty much history at this point, or will unplugging fix anything? I haven't done the conversion yet, but a few chs that have been itc forever, they started showing OC in Auth Status screen. The only reason i haven't unplugged anything yet is because I suspect the clock will probably be wrong afterwards. Otherwise I would have already tried it.

OC stands for Old Catagory. It means the monthly working key has expired. Many were supported on the "U"channels because they had a yearly subscription to the guide for free with NPS, that came to a halt on 12/26. Even if you have OC in your unit it will still tune ZK and FP channels. I have done that with mine. Currently I'm not OC but haven't converted yet. I will be soon. My fellow tester Davage confirmed my suspicion's that even with the 4160 EMM FP channels will work with a 922 like always. If others are seeing different your receiver is defying the DC-2 mode of operation. It may be because of a high TDT or the hit was never taken properly to 4160.