I want to start using MM too.But I don,t even know how to get the Usb to Bdm cable.Can someone tell me that?I think the rest I can figure out.
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read post # 75 in this thread and follow the instructions.
Everything is written out in the instructions.
I can't go to post 75 because I don't know how.Just tell me the name of the store that sells the Usb to Bdm cable and I'll google it.
Then go to the first post in this thread.
There you will find a link.
follow it.
You will need that link to get the necessary items as it is more then just a BDM board.
You need to download all the files and read the instructions.
It you don't then I am afraid none of this will do you any good.
Everything has been spelled out in the instructions posted at the link in the first post in this thread.
If you can't find that post then I am afraid you will not be able to use the map restoration program as there are instruction written there on that site that also explains what needs to be done after you download the necessary files and the pdf files also tell you where to get the bdm board and ribbon cables you may want to make the task easier.
Nothing is all in one place so it will take a lot of reading as this ensures people do it properly.
If they can not follow directions then it will not help as they would brick their receivers attempting to do things on their own.
I thought the link was in post 75 you needed but it actually is the first one in this thread posted by Scott.
If I get stuck I'll get help from my son that's not the problem.But right now I don't care for the instructions because when I order that Bdm cable it will be 3 to 4 weeks before it gets here and when it does then I'll look at the instructions,
Danny,
Go to the link that Stargaze posted in post #75. There will be full instructions available there. In the instructions, there's a link to the place that sells the BDM adapter. Just make sure that you get the BDM... not the Jtag version. They both use the same software, so don't worry about "Jtag" being in the software title. Just be sure to order the right device.
Cheers
Go to the link that Stargaze posted in post #75. There will be full instructions available there. In the instructions, there's a link to the place that sells the BDM adapter. Just make sure that you get the BDM... not the Jtag version. They both use the same software, so don't worry about "Jtag" being in the software title. Just be sure to order the right device.
Cheers
Sorry about that, that was the old board.
New link: USBBDM NT [USBBDM NT] - $60.00 : Zen Cart!, The Art of E-commerce (which is: USBBDM NT [USBBDM NT] - $60.00 : Zen Cart!, The Art of E-commerce)
Ok so I think I'll change my question now because now I see that the cable costs 60 bucks.No way I'm gonna pay that much just for a stupid cable .I found a webside of a company that will update the 4dtv receiver for you but I don't know how much they charge.Will some of you tell me how much I think I'm gonna send it in because this is already getting to expensive.I mean this is abuse!!60 bucks for a stupid cable?!
The following is a quote from another place.
" was just in touch with ATS today and got an RA #. I'll be sending the unit out tomorrow. They do both services "batt and maps" for 65. I was gonna do the batt myself but didn't want to mess with the maps. After finding out that they do the maps for free when working on batt or something else, I decided to just send it in and let them do both. I don't know what u think, but I think that 65 plus 20 shipping is very reasonable."
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" was just in touch with ATS today and got an RA #. I'll be sending the unit out tomorrow. They do both services "batt and maps" for 65. I was gonna do the batt myself but didn't want to mess with the maps. After finding out that they do the maps for free when working on batt or something else, I decided to just send it in and let them do both. I don't know what u think, but I think that 65 plus 20 shipping is very reasonable."
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Just to say, this is more than a mere cable, it is a circuit board interface and is infact quite smart! This isn't like RS232 serial (which still requires a very common Serial interface).
If you've got only 1 receiver consider sending to ATS and get the Full Mont? (not an actual service!):Battery, Maps, Firmware - these guys even changed the broken plastic on my 920!
If you're gonna do this for friends or have multiple receivers consider buying the BDM interface.
If you've got only 1 receiver consider sending to ATS and get the Full Mont? (not an actual service!):Battery, Maps, Firmware - these guys even changed the broken plastic on my 920!
If you're gonna do this for friends or have multiple receivers consider buying the BDM interface.
No I.m gonna send it to ats but at a later time.Not right now because I just spend 35000 BUCKS on several emergency renovations at my home plus I just bought an fta receiver for $359 plus tax so I'm not gonna do it right now but maybe in December.I thought I'll just do it myself to save the money but no to buy such expensive things to do it it's just crazy.
trinidex said:
Quite right! That's why I always call it a "BDM adapter". I try to be sure I never call it a cable, because that's just not accurate.
There are two questions that I see people ask about using MMR and the BDM adapter...
1) What channels would I get?
2) Is it worth buying the BDM adapter?
I would say if anyone finds themselves asking one of those questions, that they probably shouldn't do it. If one's interest is channels, they're probably barking up the wrong tree with the 4DTV. The beauty of MMR and the adapter is much more of a hobbiest thing to me. It's about doing things just to see them work. I fear that anyone expecting to use MMR in an attempt to bring back the 90's again will be greatly disappointed. A full functioning receiver can't put all those lost channels back in the sky. But it is nice to be able to update the receiver yourself, and to be able to get the channels that are still there.
MMR is a great tool for those that have an interest in such things. But if you just wanna use a 4DTV receiver to its fullest remaining potential, without doing an electronic project... Consider ATS. If you just wanna watch ESPN and HBO, consider cable or pizza.
But if you're like me, and get much more entertainment out of messing with TV stuff than you do actually watching TV... then MMR just might be for you.
Cheers
I usually refer to it as a BDM board since it is just that.
As for cost, well if someone barks about a few $$ in this hobby then they may need to rethink what they are getting into.
#1, this hobby requires you to have the room for a dish to view the satellites.
#2, the equiptment needed varries and changes due to the way the signals are put up there.
#3, if one wants to keep on top of things then they need to make those changes and do the proper research beforehand.
#4, whenever I hear of people asking what channels they will get My canned response is "FTA is just that FTA and it comes and goes".
When someone posted they did not want to read up on it but just wanted a link that should be a sure sign they have no clue what is really going on.
When it came time to put together all the info everything was spelled out in the instructions.
How much $$$, where to get it.... links to the proper items.... and then instead of people going all over the place to locate this file or that one all the necessary files were also placed on a web site that people needed.
It could not have been done any simpler than that.
Also to anyone doing the map restoration they need to take their time.
Rushing into it only gives a person cause to make a mistake.
It is not difficult once you get the hang of it, but, that first time can be a challenge to some people.
Also from what I understand, the BDM boards are hand crafted by 1 individual in Canada and also require an authorization from them to get it going the first time. They send you all that info in an email. Those "boards" were the only ones that the map master people found to work properly with these receivers.
So when you have a special receiver requiring a special type of BDM board they are not going to be a dime a dozen.
As for cost, well if someone barks about a few $$ in this hobby then they may need to rethink what they are getting into.
#1, this hobby requires you to have the room for a dish to view the satellites.
#2, the equiptment needed varries and changes due to the way the signals are put up there.
#3, if one wants to keep on top of things then they need to make those changes and do the proper research beforehand.
#4, whenever I hear of people asking what channels they will get My canned response is "FTA is just that FTA and it comes and goes".
When someone posted they did not want to read up on it but just wanted a link that should be a sure sign they have no clue what is really going on.
When it came time to put together all the info everything was spelled out in the instructions.
How much $$$, where to get it.... links to the proper items.... and then instead of people going all over the place to locate this file or that one all the necessary files were also placed on a web site that people needed.
It could not have been done any simpler than that.
Also to anyone doing the map restoration they need to take their time.
Rushing into it only gives a person cause to make a mistake.
It is not difficult once you get the hang of it, but, that first time can be a challenge to some people.
Also from what I understand, the BDM boards are hand crafted by 1 individual in Canada and also require an authorization from them to get it going the first time. They send you all that info in an email. Those "boards" were the only ones that the map master people found to work properly with these receivers.
So when you have a special receiver requiring a special type of BDM board they are not going to be a dime a dozen.
At 68 bucks delivered, it's pretty inexpensive IMO. If I recall correctly, the older parallel version that was made elsewhere in the old days (for 4play), cost around $150.
Plus, the USBBDMNT will work on more things than just our 4DTV receivers if you're into that kind of thing. A quick look at the maker's forum will give you an idea about what kind of other devices it'll hook up to.
Heck, I noticed the other day that the DSR4500X's main board has a 10 pin header on it. I'm guessing with the right params setup in another XML file, that you could probably interface the BDMNT to the 4500x. I can't imagine there would be anything to gain by doing so. But it might be fun to look at the 4500X's memory... just to see if you could (and I'd bet you could).
I think the USBBDMNT is a great value for how it's made, what it does, and the support that the manufacturer gives. Of course, without MMR... none of that would really matter to us.
I just think that it's uber cool that the MMR team has released the program (and A4) to the public. And just in case I haven't said it before now...
Thank you MMR team!!!
Cheers
Well I don't know why people are insinuating things about me and pretending like they know what I'm thinking when you don't have a clue of who I am or what I know.I am a minister now I built my own church and I.m already doing it for 2 years now and one of the first things we do is never to judge anybody.So I don't like to be judged either.For all of you who' insinuating that I'm dumb let me tell you one thing.Back in 1996 when things we're good I had a $25000 home theater system that I build and that included my satelite dish and an analog receiver that I payed like almost $2000 for itThe year after the first 4dtv receivers came out and I was the first one to get one at that time I bought it and slid the vc2 modul in to watch my analog channels because the dc2 was not even working jet.I had to wait till GI started streaming the data stream so the receiver could start picking up dc2 signal.Then I was the first one that could subscribe to channels like discovery kids and HBO family.Those channels were dc2 only at that time.and when I got the epg and things like that working everybody who came to my house was very impressed because they never saw a digital receiver before.So I know what I'm doing you have to learn that sometimes you can't guess the very smart from the very dumb apart.
I don't think the previous posts were directed at you danny~ mine was not.
The distinction between a cable and board/interface is important, for RS232 serial it's just a cable, literally a bunch of wires, for BDM for 4dtv it's and interface.
As for the other posts I read it as information sharing from those who've been there, that said you obviously have experience with 4D.
Without question the glory days of 4D have gone but it's very cool that we can edit and update a receiver that basically wasn't built that way.
I remember being frustrated because I had to send my 920 to ATs for the 6D update to get X4 - I'd done updates before, I knew what I was doing, why couldn't I do this!? That was how GI/Moto intended.
As nearly all posts here at SatGuys take them as well intended advice.
And yes..thanks MM Team!
The distinction between a cable and board/interface is important, for RS232 serial it's just a cable, literally a bunch of wires, for BDM for 4dtv it's and interface.
As for the other posts I read it as information sharing from those who've been there, that said you obviously have experience with 4D.
Without question the glory days of 4D have gone but it's very cool that we can edit and update a receiver that basically wasn't built that way.
I remember being frustrated because I had to send my 920 to ATs for the 6D update to get X4 - I'd done updates before, I knew what I was doing, why couldn't I do this!? That was how GI/Moto intended.
As nearly all posts here at SatGuys take them as well intended advice.
And yes..thanks MM Team!
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