Apple again claimed to out 4.7" and 5.5" iPhones in September, iPhone 5c to be phased out

[Poke]

Going away.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Appl...-September-iPhone-5c-to-be-phased-out_id52544

 

[John Kotches]

Apple playing catchup to the rest of the industry... Again.

 

[mike123abc]

Of course it is still endless speculation until we actually see an announcement. Will they really get rid of the 5c or just finally drop the price some to make it competitive?

 

[dishfan82]

Apple of course plays catchup all the time john but their products work well. My friend refuses to get an iPhone but yet every android phone she's had has given her problems.


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[mike123abc]

I do think a plastic iPhone will stick around. Perhaps a lot cheaper than Apple originally expected.

 

[John Kotches]

I do think a plastic iPhone will stick around. Perhaps a lot cheaper than Apple originally expected.

I have to wonder what they were thinking with the 5c. It was cheaper but not nearly cheap enough for the markets they were said to be aiming for.

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[John Kotches]

Apple of course plays catchup all the time john but their products work well. My friend refuses to get an iPhone but yet every android phone she's had has given her problems.


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There's nothing wrong with Apple's products. It is a lovely walled garden for which many are willing to pay a premium price to be stuck inside.

I prefer the Android approach. I have had 3 Android phones and 2 android tablets. Only one gave me problems.


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[mike123abc]

I have to wonder what they were thinking with the 5c. It was cheaper but not nearly cheap enough for the markets they were said to be aiming for.

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Not this time around, but it should drop a couple hundred bucks once the iPhone6 comes out if Apple holds to pattern (i.e. be the free phone).

 

[Anole]

Well it's the old iPhone 4 GSM that's going back into production for emerging markets, not the 5C.
Think that tells the whole story right there.

 

[John Kotches]

Well it's the old iPhone 4 GSM that's going back into production for emerging markets, not the 5C.
Think that tells the whole story right there.

Interesting approach.

"Here's a 4ish year old phone (5s/5/4s/4) so that we can make as much profit on the transaction as possible."

I personally think it's a mistake, as just because these potential customers are in an emerging market doesn't mean they aren't aware of what's going on. It will be for those that "have to have an iPhone" and likely continue the drubbing they are receiving from Android in these markets.



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[dangue]

Interesting approach. "Here's a 4ish year old phone (5s/5/4s/4) so that we can make as much profit on the transaction as possible." I personally think it's a mistake, as just because these potential customers are in an emerging market doesn't mean they aren't aware of what's going on. It will be for those that "have to have an iPhone" and likely continue the drubbing they are receiving from Android in these markets. Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk

They might be receiving a drubbing in market share, but they're killing it in terms of market profits. Finding ways to gain marketshare will be important moving forward, but not at the cost of losing money hand over fist (like most android manufacturers). I'm not sure if it was here or on some other website that I read that Apple and Samsung account for 120% of the smartphone market profits for a recent period (the number being over 100% because the other manufacturers generated losses).

So ultimately, it's not all about marketshare. You have to be smart about how you approach the markets.

Personally, I tend to agree with you that the iPhone 4 won't cut it, but selling 5Cs at a significant loss probably doesn't make sense either.

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[John Kotches]

The emerging markets are where any prospect of growth is going to come from. It's not going to be grown in the established markets. They have already reached saturation with smartphones.

Or as others have put it, it's about the next billion people and then the next billion people.



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[mike123abc]

The emerging markets are where any prospect of growth is going to come from. It's not going to be grown in the established markets. They have already reached saturation with smartphones.

Or as others have put it, it's about the next billion people and then the next billion people.

Apple will not be interested in the next billion if they do not have the profit margins. Apple wants profits not numbers.

 

[dont24]

Define catchup? Screen size of course. Other features? Jury is out. Galaxy S5 with a fingerprint scanner. Where did Samsung get that idea ? Me personally, I don't want a phone larger than 4".

 

[dangue]

Define catchup? Screen size of course. Other features? Jury is out. Galaxy S5 with a fingerprint scanner. Where did Samsung get that idea ? Me personally, I don't want a phone larger than 4".

A bigger screen wouldn't be bad as long as it maintains color accuracy and doesn't drain battery. That said, I don't think I'd want a phone much bigger than the S4's form factor.

Aside from that, I'd love to see Apple compete with the improvements in the camera from the S5, Sony, and windows phones. I've had a DSLR in the past and would love to be able to carry around a more powerful and flexible camera as part of my phone. Improved IS and optical zoom would be nice.

I also wouldn't mind the water/dust proofing from the S5.

As for the internals, I don't really care about quad core versus dual core and ram specs. I've never had any problems with the performance of my iPhones despite their lesser internal specs. Without some killer app or use case that clearly requires extra performance, it just seems like a unnecessary source of battery drain.

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[mike123abc]

Perhaps Apple can somehow cut the bezel down on the screen to allow a bigger screen without increasing the width of the phone as much.

 

[dangue]

Perhaps Apple can somehow cut the bezel down on the screen to allow a bigger screen without increasing the width of the phone as much.

There's plenty of room to cut down bezel on the top and bottom, but to maintain 16:9 aspect ratio, it will have to get wider. Depending on how big they go, it may need to also get taller. (This all assumes there isn't a complete redesign.)

 

[John Kotches]

Not this time around, but it should drop a couple hundred bucks once the iPhone6 comes out if Apple holds to pattern (i.e. be the free phone).

I apologize for the slow reply, I had a really really busy week last week.

That's great, but we're talking about the next billion in places were there ain't no such thing as a free phone. Why? Because the carriers don't subsidize phones there. In case you hadn't noticed, T-Mobile started the ball rolling and others are following suit with subsidies starting to be phased out. I expect in few years the US won't have subsidized phones any longer.

When that's the case, and people have to actually start paying full price for their phones rather than Apple will need to have a better pricing strategy. Perhaps going more direct sales, ala the Motorola X line / Nexus line will be the approach to maintain their margins.

 

[John Kotches]

I thought the Apple phones were 16:10 aspect ratio, not 16:9.

 

[mike123abc]

I apologize for the slow reply, I had a really really busy week last week.

That's great, but we're talking about the next billion in places were there ain't no such thing as a free phone. Why? Because the carriers don't subsidize phones there. In case you hadn't noticed, T-Mobile started the ball rolling and others are following suit with subsidies starting to be phased out. I expect in few years the US won't have subsidized phones any longer.

When that's the case, and people have to actually start paying full price for their phones rather than Apple will need to have a better pricing strategy. Perhaps going more direct sales, ala the Motorola X line / Nexus line will be the approach to maintain their margins.

Apple does not seem to really want to compete in the lower priced markets. They are dominating the industry profits. Why go to the effort of producing phones that have slim margins as long as the higher priced ones still sell?