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skynyrd

Last reply Jun 19, 2008 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Question about Switches

Well, I cleared one hurdle, and now I have C-Band BUD (Servo and Act. are controlled by an analog reciever).

I also have a motorized 31" KU dish with a Invacom Quad LNB hooked to a Coolsat 5000

Currently, I have the C-band hooked up to an Fortec reciever for testing (and hooked up to a 13" tv)

I have the motor directly connected to a Coolsat reciever. That reciever is controlling the motor through USALS.

What I would like to do is to have whatever the C-band dish is looking at, and whatever the KU dish is looking at to show up on 4 recievers (I will add 2 in this case) later.

What will I need to do this? I have thought about it for a couple of hours, and based on what I'm finding, its not really making sense to me. I would still like the coolsat to control the motor. I can handle switching the polarity on the c-band now (im sure that I will get tired of that sometime down the road though... but I guess i can get a voltage controlled LNB then)

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Anole

Jun 16, 2008

here's one suggestion

In another thread, one of the members described an unusual configuration he wanted.
I won't say it's exactly like yours, but let's take his diagram and see if we can fit it to your problem ...
We need to print out the picture and mark it up.

See if the following steps would work for you:
- your Invacom QPH-031 connects to the upper left 4x4 switch; both C to the left; both L to the right half of the switch
- get a dual output C-band LNBf * and connect its two outputs to the switch on the right (which is currently shown as a 2x4, but could be replaced with another 4x4)
- three 2x1 diseqc switches are shown at the bottom of the drawing; it's probably easier to use 4x1 switches as they are more common
- should be easy to see by inspection, where the fourth diseqc switch and receiver would be wired in
- between the left-most receiver and diseqc switch, locate your SG-2100 motor
- I would use two self-powered 4x4 switches, if I go this way.

Code:

..
[FONT=Courier New]Programming Matrix for the switch configuration shown:
=====================================================
Invacom circular = diseqc 1, 22khz off, R & L selected by 12 & 18 volts.
Invacom linear   = diseqc 1, 22khz on,  V & H selected by 12 & 18 volts.
    C band        = diseqc 2, 22khz off, [/FONT][FONT=Courier New]V & H selected by 12 & 18 volts.
[/FONT][FONT=Courier New]
 reserved future  = diseqc 2, 22khz on,  V & H selected by 12 & 18 volts.[/FONT]

Again, this is just a suggestion and a starting point for discussion.
Feel free to take it in any direction.

* at this moment, the web site link is broken, but I'm describing:
C-band Dual satellite LNBF , part way down on this page.

skynyrd

Jun 16, 2008

Anole said:
In another thread, one of the members described an unusual configuration he wanted.
I won't say it's exactly like yours, but let's take his diagram and see if we can fit it to your problem ...
We need to print out the picture and mark it up.

See if the following steps would work for you:
- your Invacom QPH-031 connects to the upper left 4x4 switch; both C to the left; both L to the right half of the switch
- get a dual output C-band LNBf * and connect its two outputs to the switch on the right (which is currently shown as a 2x4, but could be replaced with another 4x4)
- three 2x1 diseqc switches are shown at the bottom of the drawing; it's probably easier to use 4x1 switches as they are more common
- should be easy to see by inspection, where the fourth diseqc switch and receiver would be wired in
- between the left-most receiver and diseqc switch, locate your SG-2100 motor
- I would use two self-powered 4x4 switches, if I go this way.

Code:

.. [FONT=Courier New]Programming Matrix for the switch configuration shown:[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]=====================================================[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]Invacom circular = diseqc 1, 22khz off, R & L selected by 12 & 18 volts.[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]Invacom linear = diseqc 1, 22khz on, V & H selected by 12 & 18 volts.[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New] C band = diseqc 2, 22khz off, [/FONT][FONT=Courier New]V & H selected by 12 & 18 volts.[/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]reserved future = diseqc 2, 22khz on, V & H selected by 12 & 18 volts.[/FONT]

Again, this is just a suggestion and a starting point for discussion.
Feel free to take it in any direction.

* at this moment, the web site link is broken, but I'm describing:
C-band Dual satellite LNBF , part way down on this page.

Anole,

Thanks for the information. It looks like the setup you described will work out good for me. I went ahead and bought the dual output lnb from satelliteAv and a 4x4 Zimwell and 2 diseq switches (for now) from Ebay... I already have a 3x4 swich from a old DirectTv install... Which brings up another question... I will be using my analog reciever to tune from satellite to satellite still, and I was just wondering if there would be a way that I could take the RF out from the reciever, and hook it to the 3x4 mulitswitch where the ota antenna would go? anyone ever done this? Its not a big deal, but I thought that if I was in another room and wanted to change to a diffrent sat, it would be easier if I could change to a channel to see what I was selecting.. (the analog reciever has a UHF remote).

Mr Tony

Jun 16, 2008

if the multiswitch is nearby yes you could. You would just need diplexers at the other receivers to split the satellite and antenna (the analog channel 3) signal

skynyrd

Jun 18, 2008

Dual Output C-Band LNBF's

Looks like SatelliteAv is sold out of the Dual C-Band LNBF's that Anole had suguested. Does anyone recommend a site where they sell these LNBF's? It looks like they are hard to find.

Anole

Jun 18, 2008

Try phoning SatelliteAV and ASKING if they still have one kicking around.
Can't hurt. They're pretty nice folks up there.

This guy may be one of SatelliteAV's dealers, so he may be out, too:
GeosatPro Cband Dual LNBF 2 Output
But, it's the first promising result I could find. . .

You could try eBay, I suppose...
And I think I've seen a similar unit sold by Canadian dealers under the Gospel name brand...
... just not sure if they had a dual output model ...

Anole

Jun 19, 2008

another way to skin the cat . . .

There is a C-band feed horn with takes two LNBs to get both polarities.
It's a Chaparral Bullseye (1, not 2) *

That and a 2x4 multiswitch gets the same job done as the SatAV LNBf.
You can read about it here in the BUD section from some of the members who've recently put them on line.

* [The -II has both C and Ku band and is exPENsive!]

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42 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

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N5XZS

Last reply Today at 2:08 PM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

New low power station with CP has been granted. "Albuquerque "

New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.

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N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 4:54 PM

N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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comfortably_numb

Today at 1:35 AM

According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

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Today at 2:08 PM

comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

FCC Info is a Radio and Television Station Search Engine provided by Cavell, Mertz & Associates, Inc.

www.fccinfo.com

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.

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zippyfrog

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Last reply Today at 1:28 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

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zippyfrog

Today at 12:34 PM

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:11 PM

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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Bruce

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Last reply Today at 1:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

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fmj77

May 11, 2026

I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

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Bruce

May 11, 2026

fmj77 said:
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

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Yespage

May 18, 2026

$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

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telstar_1

Jun 2, 2026

I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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tsunami2311

Friday at 11:03 PM

Yespage said:
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...

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mwdxer1

Saturday at 3:08 AM

Bruce said:
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.

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tanman

Sunday at 12:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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nelson61

Monday at 8:20 PM

A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:16 PM

nelson61 said:
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.

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