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Merlin2000

Last reply Mar 16, 2009 · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

HD + PVR + Dual Tuner?

I'm looking around into the FTA market. There are a couple local HD stations that I can pickup with a satellite dish.

With the little research I've done, I haven't been able to find a solid receiver.

It feels like I am picking out a car. There are so many items to pick from, and not a single place that says this is the best one on the market.

I'm looking for an HD capable PVR that includes a dual tuner.

I would like to be able to watch and record HD in the living room, as well as the bedroom.

Dish Network did all of the wiring about 4 months ago (including the satellite dish) and now I'm ready to drop them. Since I mainly watch news, I figure I could get the majority of my stuff over FTA directly form the news stations (please correct me if I'm wrong).

I've look at the Viewsat 9000 HD as well as a Coolsat 8100 HD... what do I get?

Also, can I just go to the local pawn shop and pickup a satellite? Is there any particular model that I need? Do I need one specifically for HD signals? I've heard people talk about motors too, not sure why that would be needed.

Please help a newb out!

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melgarga

Mar 14, 2009

You will likely need to research [Google] OTA boxes w/PVR function if there is such a thing yet. There are higher end units that may fit your needs. I dont know what Tivo's offerings are for an HD compliant unit, but you might look into that as well.
Cracklin, I did not know the VS would do real S2. I was under the impression that the Turbo board didnt do our flavor of HD.
Merlin, a member here contacted Sonicview about true S2 compliance. FWIW here's the post.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/1528718-post13.html
I havent seen anything else on the subject. From what I've read the SV 8000 would be the best Asian built box for the job, but AFAIK it is still designed for TurboFEC. If they ever do offer an S2 compliant board, I suspect I'll get in line for one of these lil' jewels myself.
Although not native HD, there are some news offerings on DCII subbed boxes, you might be interested in looking over. DCII signals need a GI/Motorola built DRS905, 920, or 922 IRD and you might even find a HDD200 HD decoder to go with it if you look around. The 905 is designed to be 'slaved' to an analog C band IRD.
I do not know what if any news feeds/subs are available on DCII in HD.
You are C band capable and ready right????

cracklincrotch

Mar 15, 2009

melgarga said:
Cracklin, I did not know the VS would do real S2. I was under the impression that the Turbo board didnt do our flavor of HD.

The 8PSK board that many people think is a "must have" won't tune DVB-S2. It only works with turbo 8PSK and regular QPSK DVB-S signals.

The primary tuner in a VS9000 is capable of DVB-S2. But, as I said, I've only locked a DVB-S2 PBS transponder on AMC21 twice. Scanned in the channels, and no video because the lock would come and go. Haven't been able to lock it in at all for a few weeks. I get the DVB-S PBS channels on the same sat in the 80s and 90s but not Louisiana PBS.

There are some other S2 transponders that I know of but haven't been able to lock them. The VS doesn't give you a Q reading when you're on a S2 transponder either which is just dumb.

Anybody have a strong S2 transponder that I could try out? This is where a BLSA would be handy but alas, no money right now.

brentb636

Mar 15, 2009

cracklincrotch said:
The 8PSK board that many people think is a "must have" won't tune DVB-S2. It only works with turbo 8PSK and regular QPSK DVB-S signals.

The primary tuner in a VS9000 is capable of DVB-S2. But, as I said, I've only locked a DVB-S2 PBS transponder on AMC21 twice. Scanned in the channels, and no video because the lock would come and go. Haven't been able to lock it in at all for a few weeks. I get the DVB-S PBS channels on the same sat in the 80s and 90s but not Louisiana PBS.

There are some other S2 transponders that I know of but haven't been able to lock them. The VS doesn't give you a Q reading when you're on a S2 transponder either which is just dumb.

Anybody have a strong S2 transponder that I could try out? This is where a BLSA would be handy but alas, no money right now.

On Ku band try 103W,
12000 H 30000 FEC 5/6 Pilot= ON
NBC HD feeds
DVB-s2 8psk

cracklincrotch

Mar 15, 2009

Bah... I was hoping nobody would suggest that one. I even have the LNB adjusted for the funky skew on AMC1 and get the 422 ones fine. Of course, no video. But nooooo no S2, even with the 1 meter dish.

brentb636

Mar 15, 2009

If I move my dish 2 hits either direction, I lose the signal. Try using Diseqc 1.2 mode and bumping the dish one step at a time. I'm using a 90cm dish on my CS8000. Aim seems to be crucial for these DVB-S2 signals.

melgarga

Mar 15, 2009

cracklincrotch said:
The 8PSK board that many people think is a "must have" won't tune DVB-S2. It only works with turbo 8PSK and regular QPSK DVB-S signals.

The primary tuner in a VS9000 is capable of DVB-S2. But, as I said, I've only locked a DVB-S2 PBS transponder on AMC21 twice. Scanned in the channels, and no video because the lock would come and go. Haven't been able to lock it in at all for a few weeks. I get the DVB-S PBS channels on the same sat in the 80s and 90s but not Louisiana PBS.

There are some other S2 transponders that I know of but haven't been able to lock them. The VS doesn't give you a Q reading when you're on a S2 transponder either which is just dumb.

Anybody have a strong S2 transponder that I could try out? This is where a BLSA would be handy but alas, no money right now.

That is good to know yet unfortunate it performs so poorly. I know the add on boards are for the piracy subculture of FTA, and that they are incapable of rx'ing the true DVB-S2 format. I suppose in the specs for the VS it defines DVB-S2 as native, but that's where I get lost, interpreting those specs and differentiating them from the DN variant of S2.
I wonder does that mean if the SonicView 8000 has identical 'native', non turbo add on board specs it will lock to the legal S2 format as well? What about the Max or that new Nfusion(?) unit. What must the spec say for it to actually lock to the S2 signals we desire?
Could your S2 signals issues be signal level related? I've read that proper S2 receiption requires a higher signal level than what we are used to getting with dishes that perform adaquately with DVB and DCII. Personally I see no advantage to providers 'upgrading' to a mode that requires more saturation to broadcast usable and stable content. I dont know all the details on how EVu is doing it, but they did not jump on the turbo bandwagon, they are not S2, yet they can apparently provide reliable HD content using standard DVB means, so that begs the Q, what is so great about the S2 variant of DVB?

meinename

Mar 16, 2009

melgarga said:
Personally I see no advantage to providers 'upgrading' to a mode that requires more saturation to broadcast usable and stable content. I dont know all the details on how EVu is doing it, but they did not jump on the turbo bandwagon, they are not S2, yet they can apparently provide reliable HD content using standard DVB means, so that begs the Q, what is so great about the S2 variant of DVB?

Let's see then:
1. Backwards compatibility, if desired, with DVB-S
More flexibility in FEC rates: 1/4, 1/3, 2/5, 1/2, 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9 and 9/10 = Whoohoo! I like those lower FEC rates!!!
2. As well as Modulation: QPSK (I believe this is what DVB-S uses), 8PSK, 16APSK, and 32APSK
Those who are shooting for the NBC feeds on 105W are shooting for a 8PSK mod.
NOT THE QPSK WE ARE USED TO. I think we end up comparing apples to oranges when we use the NBC nationals as our reference for DVB-S2 vs. DVB
NBC is just giving us the usual reminder that we are watching something not intended for us, yet.
With the tighter modulation scheme, it's not surprising that we need to be even more "spot on" to get these.

3. New MPEG4 transport streams; meaning the same streams taking less space in the same bitrate thereby allowing a lot more streams in the same transponder space.

Disclaimer: I am originally a computer geek and I wrote the following thinking I could explain MPEG2 vs. MPEG4. Ha hahahaha NO
I wrote this far and decided to stop. But I wrote it so I might as well post it.
Rant follows trying to explain using my limited observations:

For reference my Hauppage HVR-1600 (I believe) captures NTSC TV and converts it to MPEG2 at 6Mbps
A normal NTSC channel will look OK at 4Mbps
For me, an ATSC SD (704x480) channel that is fuzzy/blurry but watchable takes 3Mbps in MPEG2

As for HD on ATSC (so MPEG2), I've seen various bitrates for 720p and 1080i stream but it comes down to this, 10Mbps is blurred/fuzzy except for stills but still watchable, while 12-15Mbps is fine for 720p and 1080i action/sports. Switched over to MPEG 4 (planned for ATSC v2) and and we can get 2 HD streams in 1 physical channel while still keeping all of the "junk" null packets that eat up 2Mbps but keeps the ATSC tuner from getting confused.

The theory is that MPEG4 can reproduce those results with half that bitrate.
So the same NTSC in MPEG4 at 3 Mbps
So the same NTSC in MPEG4 at 3 Mbps
So the same ATSC SD in MPEG4 at 1.5 Mbps
So the same ATSC HD in MPEG4 at 6-8 Mbps

The part I'm missing is how much data each stream can hold at different symbol rates.
This is where I would have to assume and we know what happens when you do that....
I do know ATSC OTA is a 6MHz channel about 19Mbps
I would like to know what is the bitrate on c-band and ku-band at various standard symbolrates with DVB-S (QPSK)
Like 2222,4340,20000,30000

Comparison of MPEG2, MPEG4 and h.264 (MPEG4 part 10)
MPEG4-10 (MPEG4 part 10 or h.26l) versus MPEG4-2
DVB-S2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia = this page has actually improved since the last time I had a look.

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SpaceX Seeks to Conduct 450 Starship Launches a Year in Texas!

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Anony55

Last reply Yesterday at 7:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.

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Nebugeater

Dec 22, 2025

Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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Nebugeater

Oct 2, 2026

tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Anony55

Thursday at 6:18 PM

Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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Anony55

Yesterday at 4:19 PM

dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Corrado

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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zippyfrog

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Last reply Yesterday at 7:37 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Darrell S

Yesterday at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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Last reply Yesterday at 6:20 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Thursday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Thursday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Thursday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Thursday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Thursday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Thursday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Yesterday at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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Last reply Yesterday at 5:37 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Thursday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Thursday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:31 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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Not likely since that place closed down.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 5:37 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Not likely since that place closed down.

You're no fun.

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Therm

Last reply Yesterday at 4:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change

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dishdude

Yesterday at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Yesterday at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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Foxbat

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Last reply Yesterday at 3:48 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

www.apple.com

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Thursday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Thursday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Yesterday at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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navychop

Yesterday at 2:31 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

ncted

Yesterday at 3:45 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.

ncted

Yesterday at 3:46 PM

navychop said:
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:48 PM

Will do!

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