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or shall I say taking away. This is from TVpredictions.com

Report: DIRECTV May Drop Golf Channel
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Well yea, for you guys (& I'll even include myself in there as well) it's "useless" - but I GUARANTEE you, there is way more subs that WILL howl if it disappears - at least in comparison to G4 getting dumped.

The thing I'm concerned with now is, since obviously D* IS now having a catfight with CC, what's going to be the next shoe to drop - E! perhaps? What about all the other CC RSN's - namely Chicago in our case? Since they dropped the one RSN, no reason why it might not spill over into the rest - & in IL, THAT will not do!
Sorry, but if E! goes, that WILL be the last straw for me - it's bad enough they are the ONLY provider in my area NOT providing it in HD, but to loose it altogether, no way.

Ya know, I really think D* is getting to be as bad as E* on prog drops - I think D* must have hired some of E* employees... :rolleyes:
Jimbo
Well yea, for you guys (& I'll even include myself in there as well) it's "useless" - but I GUARANTEE you, there is way more subs that WILL howl if it disappears - at least in comparison to G4 getting dumped.

The thing I'm concerned with now is, since obviously D* IS now having a catfight with CC, what's going to be the next shoe to drop - E! perhaps? What about all the other CC RSN's - namely Chicago in our case? Since they dropped the one RSN, no reason why it might not spill over into the rest - & in IL, THAT will not do!
Sorry, but if E! goes, that WILL be the last straw for me - it's bad enough they are the ONLY provider in my area NOT providing it in HD, but to loose it altogether, no way.

Ya know, I really think D* is getting to be as bad as E* on prog drops - I think D* must have hired some of E* employees... :rolleyes:

If you look at the numbers for Golf Channel and G4 you'll probably find they were very low .... your complaining about something that hasn't even happened in your shot about D turning into E.
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your complaining about something that hasn't even happened in your shot about D turning into E.

Well as far as I'm concerned, it's VERY well deserved, which is why I said it! And, from everything that is happening (or mostly NOT happening, as far as NO new HD adds or possible deletions) I do NOT like the direction where I see D* going - the bloom is starting to fall off the rose for me!
Sorry, but I am NOT a devoted, unwaivering & faithful fanboi of ANY providers these days - & THAT includes D*! If they have issues, I WILL call them on that - didn't realize I was on the other "talk" board. :rolleyes:

And right now, in my market, with 3 other competitors, D* IS dead last on national HD's. Of course, it is NOT counting any (40) HD PPV's, & OOM RSN's that are of no value to at least 80% of local subs. (ONLY value they are is if you have OOM season ticket packages, which the majority of subs do NOT have) I have it all memorialized on a spreadsheet, which makes it painfully clear who the winner (looser) is.

Last Monday, Comcast just lit up 50+ new HD's in one day! Before then, they were clearly last place, but now it's a different story - pretty sad that CC here in podunk Springpatch did all these adds & now exceeded D* in one fell swope! Sure, many of them were HD's D* had, but many ALSO were ones that the other 2 providers (DISH & U-verse) already had - & that we are STILL waiting on D* to add. (HLN, TCM, E! are the ones in particular that I'm quite tired of waiting for, ONLY from D*) I won't even add in the new ones that none of the other providers carry... (all the Rainbow's, although DISH even was able to carry AMC, which CC already had for over a year now - I know someone WILL bring up the Rainbow situation; I DON'T care at this point!)

Quite honestly, I REALLY thought that D* would have their (HD) $hit together before CC, of all people, did - guess you just never know how fast things can change. And yea, instead of bitching about it, I WILL be doing something about it - AFTER I get back from CES.
Jimbo
Well as far as I'm concerned, it's VERY well deserved, which is why I said it! And, from everything that is happening (or mostly NOT happening, as far as NO new HD adds or possible deletions) I do NOT like the direction where I see D* going - the bloom is starting to fall off the rose for me!
Sorry, but I am NOT a devoted, unwaivering & faithful fanboi of ANY providers these days - & THAT includes D*! If they have issues, I WILL call them on that - didn't realize I was on the other "talk" board. :rolleyes:

And right now, in my market, with 3 other competitors, D* IS dead last on national HD's. Of course, it is NOT counting any (40) HD PPV's, & OOM RSN's that are of no value to at least 80% of local subs. (ONLY value they are is if you have OOM season ticket packages, which the majority of subs do NOT have) I have it all memorialized on a spreadsheet, which makes it painfully clear who the winner (looser) is.

Last Monday, Comcast just lit up 50+ new HD's in one day! Before then, they were clearly last place, but now it's a different story - pretty sad that CC here in podunk Springpatch did all these adds & now exceeded D* in one fell swope! Sure, many of them were HD's D* had, but many ALSO were ones that the other 2 providers (DISH & U-verse) already had - & that we are STILL waiting on D* to add. (HLN, TCM, E! are the ones in particular that I'm quite tired of waiting for, ONLY from D*) I won't even add in the new ones that none of the other providers carry... (all the Rainbow's, although DISH even was able to carry AMC, which CC already had for over a year now - I know someone WILL bring up the Rainbow situation; I DON'T care at this point!)

Quite honestly, I REALLY thought that D* would have their (HD) $hit together before CC, of all people, did - guess you just never know how fast things can change. And yea, instead of bitching about it, I WILL be doing something about it - AFTER I get back from CES.

So where was all these HD channels on Comcast back in '07 when D* made it initial push ?

I will say it again, I would rather have Quality over Quantity any day of the week.

Also, what good is 700 HD channels if they don't have the one that YOU would want to watch ?

If D* didn't have the channels I wanted, I too would be gone.

Your clearly playing the NUMBERS game, I refuse to do that as anyone can add up a bunch of useless HD channels and say that they now have the most.
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So where was all these HD channels on Comcast back in '07 when D* made it initial push ?

Who cares - HELLO, it's now 2011! As I already said, things DO change...& D* has decided to fall behind the rest - NOT my problem!

I will say it again, I would rather have Quality over Quantity any day of the week.

And I would rather have the channels I watch in HD, than in (very) compressed SD crap I'm having to settle for now.
It's ridiculous that I'm having to watch letterboxed SD prog on an HD set in 2011! :rolleyes:

Also, what good is 700 HD channels if they don't have the one that YOU would want to watch ?

Uh, I DID mention several that D* does NOT have, that THREE other providers DO - so what's your point... :confused:
Since you brought this up, there's a couple of others I want in HD: DIY & Cooking. 2 out of the 3 other providers DO offer them as well. (E* & AT&T)

If D* didn't have the channels I wanted, I too would be gone.

uh yea, I kinda thought that's what I was basically saying all along :confused:

Your clearly playing the NUMBERS game, I refuse to do that as anyone can add up a bunch of useless HD channels and say that they now have the most.

No, you're clearly playing the "I'm SUCH a devoted D* fanboi, that whatever they do with the (lack of) new HD they decide to spoon-feed to me, is good enough to keep me" game. Sorry, I don't play THAT game, either - as I clearly stated, NO provider gets that from me!

And as far as "a bunch of useless HD channels" - obviously you must watch a LOT of those HD PPV's, since D* has the LARGEST number of them of any provider. Do you enjoy watching the 8 NY & LA DNS channels - you MUST have them, since D* counts those in it's 160 HD count in most of it's HD advertising. (never mind of course most subs CANNOT even get them if they wanted to :rolleyes: ) Yea, I can play that "numbers game" just as good as you can... :p

Look, if you are that devoted to D*, then good for you, & everyone else that is satisfied with the status quo. But understand that some of us have NO use for all the HD PPV we would never use, or OOM RSN's that are of NO value to us, or more HD premiums that we do not even subscribe to. That's the beauty of having access to 4 providers - some sort of choice. And some of us do NOT like having to wait yet AGAIN until 2013 for D* to "launch another bird" that maybe, might give us those HD we thought were coming the last go-round. If another provider(s) chooses to "shut up & put up" NOW, then so be it...
Jimbo
Who cares - HELLO, it's now 2011! As I already said, things DO change...& D* has decided to fall behind the rest - NOT my problem!



And I would rather have the channels I watch in HD, than in (very) compressed SD crap I'm having to settle for now.
It's ridiculous that I'm having to watch letterboxed SD prog on an HD set in 2011! :rolleyes:



Uh, I DID mention several that D* does NOT have, that THREE other providers DO - so what's your point... :confused:
Since you brought this up, there's a couple of others I want in HD: DIY & Cooking. 2 out of the 3 other providers DO offer them as well. (E* & AT&T)



uh yea, I kinda thought that's what I was basically saying all along :confused:



No, you're clearly playing the "I'm SUCH a devoted D* fanboi, that whatever they do with the (lack of) new HD they decide to spoon-feed to me, is good enough to keep me" game. Sorry, I don't play THAT game, either - as I clearly stated, NO provider gets that from me!

And as far as "a bunch of useless HD channels" - obviously you must watch a LOT of those HD PPV's, since D* has the LARGEST number of them of any provider. Do you enjoy watching the 8 NY & LA DNS channels - you MUST have them, since D* counts those in it's 160 HD count in most of it's HD advertising. (never mind of course most subs CANNOT even get them if they wanted to :rolleyes: ) Yea, I can play that "numbers game" just as good as you can... :p

Look, if you are that devoted to D*, then good for you, & everyone else that is satisfied with the status quo. But understand that some of us have NO use for all the HD PPV we would never use, or OOM RSN's that are of NO value to us, or more HD premiums that we do not even subscribe to. That's the beauty of having access to 4 providers - some sort of choice. And some of us do NOT like having to wait yet AGAIN until 2013 for D* to "launch another bird" that maybe, might give us those HD we thought were coming the last go-round. If another provider(s) chooses to "shut up & put up" NOW, then so be it...

As for your complaint about the RSN's, I think it's ridiculous, IF they didn't have all of them then SOMEONE would be left out and bitching because they can't get thiers.
Your choice yo NOT count RSN's I cant understand because they are a major part of any sub that gives a damn about sports.

70% of my viewing is Network OTA stuff .

Am I happy that they have not increased the HD count since the new sat went up ? NO
However, that doesn't mean I'm leaving, I don't jump providers when someone else adds a channel then 3 months later when someone else adds a few more JUMP over there.

I find the provider that has the channels I need, D* does that for me.

There is ONE channel that I watch regularly that is NOT HD, that's it.

I don't watch Movies, I do the ST and my local RSN for the Red Wings and Tigers.

IF D* doesn't provide you with the channels you need, then MOVE on to someone else ..... Oh you already said that NO ONE does, but you continue to bitch about D* even though OTHERS don't give you what you want either, why is that ? Why not bitch to the other Providers that don't have what you want ?

Better yet, go get something local (Cable) in your own city so you can DRIVE over to the office and bitch to them when you don't have the channel you want.


IF your not happy with the people on this DIRECTV board, guess what, if you don't want D* and have nothing useful to say, Move on to a board that carries what YOU need.


Many come to these boards for help/advice, many of us give our opinions as to what might help them, I can't help it you can't handle people helping others ....

I don't go to a board to RIP people trying to help others or to stir the pot.
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However, that doesn't mean I'm leaving, I don't jump providers when someone else adds a channel then 3 months later when someone else adds a few more JUMP over there.

Uh, excuse me, but I've been a (full) D* sub non-stop since 1998, so I have NO idea how me, daring to suggest switching to another provider, after ALL these years, is "jumping around", but whatever conclusions you're drawing, I could care less.

I find the provider that has the channels I need, D* does that for me.

Well BULLY for you - so I guess that means the rest of the world (or at least this board anyway) should be too, right? :rolleyes:

There is ONE channel that I watch regularly that is NOT HD, that's it.

Again, bully for you - for MY needs, there's more than I care to keep having to watch in compressed SD any longer

IF D* doesn't provide you with the channels you need, then MOVE on to someone else ..... Oh you already said that NO ONE does, but you continue to bitch about D* even though OTHERS don't give you what you want either, why is that ?

Oh really, where DID I say that - you might want to check those glasses of yours... :p
I believe I said that ALL 3 other competitors DO offer the specific channels I WAS looking for

Why not bitch to the other Providers that don't have what you want ?

See above answer

Better yet, go get something local (Cable) in your own city so you can DRIVE over to the office and bitch to them when you don't have the channel you want.

See above answer

IF your not happy with the people on this DIRECTV board, guess what, if you don't want D* and have nothing useful to say, Move on to a board that carries what YOU need.

Well GUESS WHAT - I'll CONTINUE to post WHAT I WANT & WHEN I WANT here, just as I ALWAYS have, & with NO regard of what YOU want!
Got a problem with it - go to one of the mods & see if they'll act on your request; let us know how that works out for you... :D

Many come to these boards for help/advice, many of us give our opinions as to what might help them, I can't help it you can't handle people helping others ....

Hmm, I think my many posts over the years of helping people speaks for itself - I can't help it if YOU can't (obviously) handle someone with a different opinon on your precious TV service, for Christ's sake!
Maybe you should use the ignore function, to prevent you from further getting your (TV) panties in a bunch. :p

I don't go to a board to RIP people trying to help others or to stir the pot.

You're doing a FINE job doing it yourself... :p

And, the fact that some posters DO agree with what I said, vindicates me right there... :D
Jimbo
Uh, excuse me, but I've been a (full) D* sub non-stop since 1998, so I have NO idea how me, daring to suggest switching to another provider, after ALL these years, is "jumping around", but whatever conclusions you're drawing, I could care less.



Well BULLY for you - so I guess that means the rest of the world (or at least this board anyway) should be too, right? :rolleyes:



Again, bully for you - for MY needs, there's more than I care to keep having to watch in compressed SD any longer



Oh really, where DID I say that - you might want to check those glasses of yours... :p
I believe I said that ALL 3 other competitors DO offer the specific channels I WAS looking for



See above answer



See above answer



Well GUESS WHAT - I'll CONTINUE to post WHAT I WANT & WHEN I WANT here, just as I ALWAYS have, & with NO regard of what YOU want!
Got a problem with it - go to one of the mods & see if they'll act on your request; let us know how that works out for you... :D



Hmm, I think my many posts over the years of helping people speaks for itself - I can't help it if YOU can't (obviously) handle someone with a different opinon on your precious TV service, for Christ's sake!
Maybe you should use the ignore function, to prevent you from further getting your (TV) panties in a bunch. :p



You're doing a FINE job doing it yourself... :p

And, the fact that some posters DO agree with what I said, vindicates me right there... :D

Your amazing , you bitch that D* is not giving you the channels you want, but then turn around and say that all three providers DO ?
Jimbo
Where did I EVER say that you should be happy with what I want in programming ?

I have NEVER said that.

I always point people to go with the provider that has the programming that they want.

Your the one that decided to turn this into a bitch fest.

What does any of this have to do with possibly dropping the Golf Channel ?
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KNOCK IT OFF!

What do the last few posts have to do with Golf Channel possibly being dropped?
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Seriously its very simple.....if a provider has the channels YOU want then go with them.
dishstaller
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Jimbo

If there was a way to put itself in a loop and keep going forever, would be awesome .... I see eventually he hot it there, the trick is to be able to Hang up and move on with your life, while it still goes forever.
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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National​
Spot Beams​
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Change​
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SD mpeg4​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...
Titanium
Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2
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To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit :) )
cyberham
I used a 60cm Shaw Satellie dish (60e) with its original dual-LNB. It worked fine for 101W/97W or 99W/103W at that time when weather was fine. But the fade margin was small so rainy weather killed reception or almost so. But it was all free since they're so plentiful so I couldn't complain.
Titanium
A Shaw dish with the linear LNBFs are as rare as hens teeth in the US... :)
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
meStevo
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:


In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
You invested in datacenters?
meStevo
You invested in datacenters?


Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
dishstaller
Too stinking funny...how to fry the mind of AI robo calls


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3jCuITwcE
HipKat
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The soundbar/sub is a pickup, also, not a delivery
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dishstaller
Nice setup. I bought a Klipsch sound bar years ago after my daughters blew up all the others....still using it...sound is awesome.
dfergie
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Anyone making their own breakfast sausage? I've recently been trying different recipes, found some I like, some I've modified...
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navychop
Bob Evans Sage.
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Bob Evans Sage.
I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
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I will look, but I don't think I have seen it. Owen's breakfast sausage use to be favorite, but I can't find it anymore. Jimmy Dean's country mild is OK also when I can find it.
Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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Kroger stores carry Bob Evans Sage Sausage. For me that means Smiths.

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No Kroger's near me. I live in the heart of Walmart land. The only option besides Walmart is Harp's.
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TRG
I live in the heart of Walmart land.
My deepest condolences.
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My deepest condolences.
Surprisingly I moved here from the Gulf Coast due to the heat. But it has been hotter here due to the heat domes than it did down there.
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make homemade dog food to :)
TRG
TRG
make homemade dog food to :)
My wife cooks for the dog. Not me, just the dog.
Peter Parker
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
navychop
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
🤣

Oh....you were serious
Almighty1
So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

brittanygarden and Rick Durham
dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7
dfergie
$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.