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skipticum

Last reply Apr 20, 2011 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Orthomode Chaparral feedhorn setup?

Recently I acquired for free two 7.6' unimesh dishes with actuators and orthomode Chaparral feeds with mini mag LNBs (two LNBs one for V and the other for H C-band, no Ku). This is my first time to try to setup a C-band system (I'm very experienced with Ku setup), and I've been reading this forum for information and recommendations. I need help regarding connecting the two separate V and H lines from the Chaparral feed to my Digital receivers. I've been reading about how to use multi-switches with power insertion (for the 13 volt side), but at the moment I do not want to acquire a multi-switch until I'm sure my setup works. Therefore, I figured directly connecting the H coax line from the feed to one digital receiver, and the V coax line to another digital receiver (with added power inserter to boost the voltage to 18). This would be a temporary setup until I gain experience with the C-band setup. Would this setup work? Any advice? Thanks.

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Anole

Apr 17, 2011

no power inserter required

If you set both receivers to H, they'll both put out 18 volts.
One will get the actual Horizontal signals.
The other will get the Vertical transponders 'cause it's hooked to the Vert LNB.

Also, check the Classified Department.
Stogie5150 may have a modified Multiswitch all ready to go.
Don't know if he sold all his or not.

Come to think of it, Linuxman is selling some hardware, and I know he had several, too.

skipticum

Apr 18, 2011

Anole said:
If you set both receivers to H, they'll both put out 18 volts.
One will get the actual Horizontal signals.
The other will get the Vertical transponders 'cause it's hooked to the Vert LNB.

Thanks Anole for the feedback.

I still don't understand your statement regarding setting the receiver (that will get the Vertical transponders) to H to get out the 18 volts. My understanding is that a digital receiver will put out 13 volts to the LNB when a channel associated with a vertical transponder is selected. I don't understand how to put the receiver to H and at the same time get vertical transponders channels which are vertical?

beavs2112

Apr 19, 2011

skipticum said:
Thanks Anole for the feedback.

I still don't understand your statement regarding setting the receiver (that will get the Vertical transponders) to H to get out the 18 volts. My understanding is that a digital receiver will put out 13 volts to the LNB when a channel associated with a vertical transponder is selected. I don't understand how to put the receiver to H and at the same time get vertical transponders channels which are vertical?

what he means I think is some LNB's need from 15-24 Volts DC to work properly. They dont like 13 Volts. So set both receivers to horizontal on all transponders so 18 volts is output all the time so the LNB's are happy. since the selection of H and V is physically fixed by the Chaparral feedhorn you don't need the receiver to do polarity voltage switching.

Maybe I'm missing something skipticum but if you have two dishes with dual c-feeds don't you have 4 coax lines? Or are you gonna combine them somehow ? You can't permanently hook up 4 coax lines to 2 receiver ports unless you combine them somehow. Thats what the modified power inserter/multiswitch Anole mentioned does. If you don't combine the 4 lines with a switch you can only hook up 2 at a time. Or are you just gonna keep changing which lines are connected depending on which satellite you wan't to watch?

cracklincrotch

Apr 19, 2011

skipticum said:
Thanks Anole for the feedback.

I still don't understand your statement regarding setting the receiver (that will get the Vertical transponders) to H to get out the 18 volts. My understanding is that a digital receiver will put out 13 volts to the LNB when a channel associated with a vertical transponder is selected. I don't understand how to put the receiver to H and at the same time get vertical transponders channels which are vertical?

Modern LNBFs use a voltage controlled switch to choose which polarity is delivered to your receiver. However, with the orthomode feed, it has two separate LNBs on it. They need 18 volts each to operate. Regardless of what voltage you send to the LNB, one LNB is in the physical horizontal position, and one is in the physical vertical position. Most receivers these days assume your LNBF has a voltage controlled switch in it to pick which polarity it is going to receive. The H and V part in your receiver is the "switching action" that controls it.

That all said, again, most LNBFs use voltage to choose which polarity a receiver is going to get. The "standard" is 13 volts delivers the vertical polarity, and 18 volts delivers the horizontal polarity. Your vertical LNB on your orthomode needs 18 volts to operate. So to fool your receiver into giving your vertical LNB the 18 volts needs to operate you can tell your receiver the signal is horizontal, thereby sending 18 volts to your vertical LNB. The receiver thinks the signal is horizontal. You and and everybody else knows it's a vertical signal. But your receiver doesn't really care and doesn't have to know. It's getting a signal and displaying a picture. That's all you want.

truckracer

Apr 19, 2011

my vertical Norsats run fine on 13v. i used power inserters once and the signal quality didnt change. i know the norsats 8515 is stable on 13v with my ortho feed.

skipticum

Apr 20, 2011

beavs2112 said:
what he means I think is some LNB's need from 15-24 Volts DC to work properly. They dont like 13 Volts. So set both receivers to horizontal on all transponders so 18 volts is output all the time so the LNB's are happy. since the selection of H and V is physically fixed by the Chaparral feedhorn you don't need the receiver to do polarity voltage switching.

Maybe I'm missing something skipticum but if you have two dishes with dual c-feeds don't you have 4 coax lines? Or are you gonna combine them somehow ? You can't permanently hook up 4 coax lines to 2 receiver ports unless you combine them somehow. Thats what the modified power inserter/multiswitch Anole mentioned does. If you don't combine the 4 lines with a switch you can only hook up 2 at a time. Or are you just gonna keep changing which lines are connected depending on which satellite you wan't to watch?

No, for the time being I'm playing with one dish. As I've mentioned previously, this is a temporary setup until the system proves to be stable (in terms of tracking reliably). Eventually, I'll get into the multi-switch business. I like to start simple to be able to resolve any setup issues efficiently, then move on to a more complex and practical setup later.

skipticum

Apr 20, 2011

Thanks cracklincrotch. Your excellent explanation confirms my initial understanding, and supports what I was thinking of doing with the receiver connected to the vertical LNB. On other words, to be sure again, to setup the receiver I will (manually) choose the polarity as H (instead of V) for the vertical transponders, but provide all the other information correctly (i.g., FEC rate, frequency, etc.), and scan for (vertical) channels.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

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N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

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Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

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Today at 12:34 PM

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:11 PM

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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