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coinmaster32

Last reply May 2, 2011 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Old time C-Band Thread.

I love nostalgia, and a lot of people do too.

I want to hear about your old C-Band Set up. Mainly:

1. Size, type, brand of dish.
2. LNA or LNB.
3. What receiver.
4. Total system cost.
5. The oddest/ most intriguing wild feed you saw. etc,etc.

This is only for c-band systems from 1975-1985

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radio

Apr 30, 2011

A Birdview 8ft perf Demo Trailer, owned by my employer. Wires run up to the second story apartment I lived-in. "Free" as long as I sold one system a month. Small rent if not. LNB (modified) Birdview original for "high block" use, late 1980's. Cost? Around 2-3k for the same system if bought and permanently installed. Receiver: an Echostar 4000 if memory serves. Simple IRD. Lower cost than the "bells and whistles" models from Houston Tracker and STS of the day.

Most memorable wild feed? I think the year was 1989.....It was a California Earthquake, and many a station was "live" with uplinks......wasn't that the one during a major sports event? I just remember seeing lots of anchored and un-anchored coverage. Enjoyed the PBS feeds back then, and the wild feeds. Have one VHS of "American Playhouse" (A walk in the woods) that I've never found on PBS channels ever again....online, or any video source. Excellent play.

Was in the days of the smaller movie channel carrier startups, too..and competing programming packagers.

Sorry the year's a bit beyond your request, best I can do......satellite wasn't part of my life til around 1986.

coinmaster32

Apr 30, 2011

radio said:
A Birdview 8ft perf Demo Trailer, owned by my employer. Wires run up to the second story apartment I lived-in. "Free" as long as I sold one system a month. Small rent if not. LNB (modified) Birdview original for "high block" use, late 1980's. Cost? Around 2-3k for the same system if bought and permanently installed. Receiver: an Echostar 4000 if memory serves. Simple IRD. Lower cost than the "bells and whistles" models from Houston Tracker and STS of the day.

Most memorable wild feed? I think the year was 1989.....It was a California Earthquake, and many a station was "live" with uplinks......wasn't that the one during a major sports event? I just remember seeing lots of anchored and un-anchored coverage. Enjoyed the PBS feeds back then, and the wild feeds. Have one VHS of "American Playhouse" (A walk in the woods) that I've never found on PBS channels ever again....online, or any video source. Excellent play.

Was in the days of the smaller movie channel carrier startups, too..and competing programming packagers.

Sorry the year's a bit beyond your request, best I can do......satellite wasn't part of my life til around 1986.

Do you remember what year Birdview went out of business?

coinmaster32

Apr 30, 2011

Some of the earliest satellite equipment... Before LNB's there were LNA's. Lnas did not have the block down converter and used a huge RG-11 cable for the signal. That huge RG-11cable went into a block down converter. The original BDC's took power wires, and the newer ones got their power from the receiver.

Before the block down converter's a straight run of RG-11 went from the LNA to the reciever. That made the system costlier as RG-11 is much more then RG-6. I think some of the bird view receivers were that type.

I had a chance to get a bird view dish one time. Sadly the old lady wanted me to take the concrete too, no ands ifs or buts. The pad was some 3 foot in diameter and I think she said 4 foot deep. Nothing I own could of lifted it out.

A couple years later I considered getting the dish again but it was gone! The pole was cut off and the concrete left. Note: It was the only bird view I have ever seen in the area.

radio

May 1, 2011

coinmaster32 said:
Do you remember what year Birdview went out of business?

Not sure of the exact year. They tried to reorganize under "the new" birdview. (notice the dealer PR pic attached.) The man I worked for as a dealer used to keep me "in the loop" of birdview's progress business-wise, but my memory's bad on that. Had to be late 1980's or early 1990's. That man has long since passed away.

Their biggest mistake was not moving fast enough to adapt the established, "best in the business" hardware (outdoor) pack to be compatible with the IRD's that were showing up in the late 80's. They also did their own shipping, and costs were high for distribution for dishes that could not be disassembled. It's that same quality which may have been a hindrance back then that ironically makes them so desirable today.

On the positive side, they were way ahead of their time with their own receivers early in their existence, using electronic vs. mechanical relays, having multiple receiver and remote-control possibilities on secondary receivers that sent signals back to the main. Not to mention their "dual feed" so there was no polarotor, and a "horizon to horizon" mount that would not be limited by the length of the arm. Their earliest systems had bulky LNA's in their aluminum nosecones, too by the way. I've only run into ONE of those in my 20-plus year birdview "experience."

paulvr

May 2, 2011

Hi, my story of the beginning years:

America is quite different from Europe. My first sat receiver was made by NEC and had only 8 station positions, similar like the presets of a simple car radio. No remote control, just a row of 8 manually adjustable push buttons.The offset dish and LNBF had the name tag of the Duch importing firm named Sonim, no idea what make they were. Nothing like a positioner or actuator were available to me in those days (1981), three satellites (Intelsat 27,5W with Mirror Vision and Premiere, two British pay-tv movie channels unencrypted for lack of people who own dishes, ECS=Eutelsat on 13 East with Italy, France, and some other channels and Intelsat 60 East with 6 German channels. I had painted three white lines on the roof so I could manually change the dish without any measuring equipment and I knew by head how to adjust vertical. After the first week I had seen all British pay tv movies for the month and so the other three weeks were spent switching between Europe and Germany (mostly public tv without any commercial interruptions).

C Band came a year later when a commercial exploitant lent me his 10 ft C-Band dish which had been mounted upon a trailer to visit fairs and cable exploiters. The reason? There was only one channel that we could receive on C-Band and that was on the Russian satellite Gorizont on 11 degrees west. A few cities had purchased a reception set from him, and many people were watching via their cable system the Central Television 1 program, broadcast from Moscow.

But these were cold war days, and in spite of the freedom that so often was hailed so much, pressure from Washington was strong enough on our government to cause for them to find ways to forbid the distribution of Russian TV. First they tried to get Moscow to state that their transmissions weren't meant for us but that didn't work because the Russians didn't mind at all us watching their tv program. So as far as I remember the next excuse was to claim that the entire C Band was illegal for private reception. Of course it was no problem for me having the dish in my backyard. The only function was to find a way to forbid distribution.

The dish was a 10 ft model, made of four glass fibre solid panels who strengely enough weren't meant to touch one another. Wide rubber washers kept the four pieces more than an inch apart from one another. More interesting was the fact that the whole thing was mounted on a beautiful cast iron base that had a base, broad enough to keep the dish in place without any further attachmens except for one wire that I attached as a security line during strong gusts of wind.

The feed and LNB seemed to be made of one piece but probably they could have been separated. But why should I? It worked, there must have been a teflon slab in it because the very strong Russian channel was on 3675 MHz RHCP but there was no need to change anything. Ample signal and no other C-Band stations available. The receiver was an Anderson 2010, a very good receiver but it lacked sufficient frequency range so it needed some technical manipulation.

A couple of years later I found out that I could recieve Central Television 2 on exactly the same frequency on 53 East, but that one had a couple of problems: weaker reception and a satellite that suffered of severe inclined orbit disease. Soon the same thing started happening on 11 degrees West and later 14 degrees West. Russian Gorizonts had a stable life of maximally 3 years before they went in ever more excessive inclined orbits. Some years later also 40 East was added. To combat these excessive incination problems eventualy I obtained a so called Hamcostar dual motor robot, which before had been sold in the USA under the name of NITEC. Hamco didn't live very long either but luckily a good friend of mine purchased the bankrupt mess and rebuilt the rather primitive Nitec/Hamco sets inro what is called the EGIS Robothead dual motor system which is not only programmable in many ways but also movable in increments of degrees. A special version later on made it even possible to get tv pictures of the Molniya satellite system with a set of 4 satellites broadcasting high above Canada and Siberia. But that last part of the story was all much later, in the 90's.

Later on in the 80's I noticed that Arabsat and also some Intelsats became vaguely available, so then I started with an 8 ft Winegard deep dish design which was marketed in Europe along with a C/Ku Seavey feed and a Drake ESR 4240 set of satellite receiver and positioner. The Drake receiver I've had to pick up at the end of the Cable & Satellite Exhibition in Wembley near London, the rest was shipped to my home. From then on I didn't have to go to the roof to adjust any dish on a daily basis. However the actuator always forced me to make a choice, either to get Britain on 27,5 West or to get Germany on 60 East. Both weren't possible with the range of the actuator that, by the way, still worked on the basis of a sliding contact. Reed relais hadn't been invented yet.

A last move at the and of that period was the reception of two tv programmes via the S-Band, quite forceful signals that were emitted from two Arabsat satellites, receivable by putting a special probe in a hole of the baseplate of my California Amplifier C-Band scalar rings. The big heavy S-Band LNB reminded me of the heavy earlierst C-band LNB's, same size and same weight. I don't remember when S-band was taken out of order, receiving it was of no use because they broadcasted the Saudi Arabian 1st and 2nd programme which were equally well available on C-Band at the time.

That's abou the best I can do when speaking of the period of 1982 - 1995 or so. Earlier than 1982 sat reception was done experimentally with home made gauze structures mainly by HAM operators during Easter conventions and such. Success almost guaranteed because 3675 was strong - so strong in fact that staying with a friend in his home near London we found out that just holding the open hole of the then 35 K Gardiner LNB gave enoug signal to stabilize the image of CT1 via Gorizont somewhat, and using the top of the aluminum trash can as a dish was enough to see the Russian tv in full color.

Now, with many 1000's of channels, I sometimes regret that those days have definitely gone. Now I can get anything from Peru to Kenya and from Korea to Russia or Nicaragua, but in essence what most countries broadcast now is in many ways the same. Culture has been almost wiped out and made place for games and telenovela's (soap opera's). I speak 5 languages and that helps me to access a bit more programmes and countries than most, but perhaps I'm only acting like a spoilt little kid :-(

FaT Air

May 2, 2011

10 ft BUD, (same one as I have today) 120 degree LNA. Houston Tracker IV mover, VonWeisse actuator(still working) Gillespie receiver. 24 channels, each adjustable via a trim pot from the bottom of the receiver. Oh yeah, back then there were far fewer sats. Spacing was 10 degrees. When everyone began scrambling, added a GI 2100 standalone descrambler to it. (70 MHz loop thru, Worked good. The Gillespie probably would fire right up today. Then a succession of GI and Toshiba IRD's. BUT, the Gillespie was pressed back into service during the first Gulf war, as it dealt with the PAL feeds better than the IRD. B&W and rolling, but I could see the video. If I remember, there were 3 sats east of 72 W, that I could get, with CNN and various other gulf war feeds. But not further than about 58W. I may have a few VCR tapes around here somewhere with some recordings.

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"MysteryMan"

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Windows 10/11 Download

I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.

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EarDemon

Tuesday at 9:43 PM

If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

WhiteBeard

Tuesday at 9:59 PM

EarDemon said:
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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EarDemon

Wednesday at 10:12 PM

WhiteBeard said:
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 10:07 AM

I have no OEM bloat, on CTO devices where I can access the drive, I order it with the smallest allowed drive and crack the device open throw the factory drive in the garbage and put in my own WD Black and install Windows from bootable media. For Windows bloat, I install Windows using the English - World option which limits preinstalled MS bloat.

Windows and Office features I wish to block, like CoPilot and Cortana, macro enabled Office files and others are blocked with GPOs.

Between keeping all software up to date, doing firmware updates, putting IoT devices on a separate VLAN, running Symantec Endpoint (say what you want about it, it's been good to me) and practicing safe hex, I'm vigilant but not paranoid about security.

With NVMe SSDs, my cold boot up time on all devices is under 30 secs as well. Fast boot disabled, BitLocker drive encryption enabled.

I have nothing against Linux, been paying with it on and off since 2004ish, it's just not the right solution for me.

HipKat

Yesterday at 10:32 AM

EarDemon said:
it's just not the right solution for me.

As I said above, and, FWIW, I run Win11 Pro and Arch on separate 250 GB NVME drives, using F8 to select which I boot to, with a 1TB SSD for storage, accessible to both OSs and a third formatted Nvme I want to use to learn Kali. It was much faster to setup Arch than it was to strip down Windows. Windows still takes much longer to boot.

harshness

Yesterday at 11:18 AM

EarDemon said:
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.

What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 8:55 PM

harshness said:
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?

Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 9:10 PM

I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

harshness

16 minutes ago

EarDemon said:
Because it's what I prefer.

I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.

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Former member 209992

Last reply 35 minutes ago · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

45 minutes ago

zipping right along here

slow_poke_pete

44 minutes ago

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

Foxbat

35 minutes ago

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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jannah

Last reply 40 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Purchased Joey 4 avtivate

Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

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jannah

Oct 7, 2026

All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 8, 2026

jannah said:
All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.

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zcrayfish

Monday at 1:08 PM

Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

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Nominal

Monday at 5:45 PM

I don't know if things are different with Dish but when I first rejoined DirecTV a few years ago Solid Signal was able to create my account and activate the equipment I got from them on a self-install without a truck roll.

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slow_poke_pete

43 minutes ago

zcrayfish said:
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

1-800-333-3474. billing or tech support should be able to do it!!!

slow_poke_pete

40 minutes ago

jannah said:
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

just call dish and iggy the number from solid signal!!

Foxbat

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Last reply Today at 12:08 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

Foxbat

Wednesday at 8:59 PM

The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only stick I with the Apple tv's is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is not worth sticking with it. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

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cpdretired

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 11:45 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.

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bnewt

Sep 23, 2026

Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 8, 2026

i went into my acct on the hooper and to my offers and everything turned back up as if i was a new customer!!! has anyone tried looking on the my dish app via there hoppers lately.. there was a strange update yesterday affternoon my hopper has never done updates during the day.

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cpdretired

Oct 8, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
i went into my acct on the hooper and to my offers and everything turned back up as if i was a new customer!!! has anyone tried looking on the my dish app via there hoppers lately.. there was a strange update yesterday affternoon my hopper has never done updates during the day.

Yes the offers are back again.

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bookworm370

Monday at 9:55 AM

cpdretired said:
Yes the offers are back again.

Where? I signed on to Dish and can't find any

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slow_poke_pete

Tuesday at 3:15 AM

bookworm370 said:
Where? I signed on to Dish and can't find any

what cpdretired said

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ewindowman

Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

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Almighty1

Tuesday at 9:52 PM

ewindowman said:
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

Never had time to use the Hopper 3 account app yet. I also have a Hopper Plus so it's not the same as the Hopper 3 standalone. Will try it when I have more time, need to beat the taxes extension filing deadline first as I am still working on entering the data into the tax software.

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Almighty1

Wednesday at 6:49 AM

This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

look again mine says free for 1 month

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jamieh1

Last reply Yesterday at 11:37 PM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Directv curated multi view now live

The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.

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KyL416

Tuesday at 7:29 PM

It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

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b4pjoe

Tuesday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

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TheRatPatrol

Yesterday at 11:37 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

How soon will it be available on Apple TV? Thanks

Ramy

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:54 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

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Bobby

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:36 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

4K Events Discussion Thread

This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.

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long_time_Dish

Saturday at 6:31 PM

148-04 says the NASCAR race on at noon on Sunday. Be interesting to see if it is.

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Bobby

Tuesday at 8:48 PM

MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 6:24 PM

Bobby said:
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.

Bobby said:
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.

Bobby said:
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 7:31 PM

Foxbat said:
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.

As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 8:01 PM

Bobby said:
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.

As an edit, you need to sub to the National Action Pack at $12 a month to receive those channels.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 10:36 PM

Which is what is interesting, I see the 4KFox channel on 148-01 but we're not subscribed to our Locals. So why it's coming in is puzzling. I thought that maybe it was a perk for Dish subscribers for the MLB Postseason.

I set a Timer for the Indiana - Ohio State game on Saturday. I'll take advantage of it while I can.

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8 U.S. States Sue OpenAI Over Safety Concerns With Younger Users

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ppappas

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Last reply Yesterday at 9:27 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Newest NCIS recording doesn't allow auto skip

On Tuesday, I recorded the first episodes of the new season's NCIS shows on CBS (Dish provided, not OTA). The new New York series and Origins will both do Auto Skip, but the original, now season 24 does not. What's stranger, when I do a search for NCIS, Origins and New York show the current recording and the next episode it will record, but the original show only shows the current recording and some other channel showing the very first episode of season one. It makes no sense. When I set up the timers, I was able to use search for Origins and New York, but for the original, I had to scroll ahead in the guide until last Tuesday when the show was airing. Then set the timer from there. You can see its timer type is DVR where the other two are Seek. What am I missing?
Thanks!

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Nebugeater

Yesterday at 9:12 AM

It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:45 AM

Nebugeater said:
It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF

IF you were referring to my post ...
Thats why I do all my Streaming Commercial FREE.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 11:22 AM

Nebugeater said:
It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF

And there is a difference between fast forward and skip forwad....

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tanman

Yesterday at 11:25 AM

With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.

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Cold Irons

Yesterday at 12:03 PM

tanman said:
With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.

Yep. We do this all the time, but we use the 30-sec skip forward button until the red kangaroo shows up. Love this feature.

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Jim5506

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.

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