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Last reply Apr 11, 2012 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Help aiming a 10 footer

Hi,
does anyone happen to know an installer in the Jacksonville FL area? I've been trying to aim a 10 foot KTI dish for the past few days and I'm having no luck.

Thanks,

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FaT Air

Apr 2, 2012

The location of your protractor is measuring your polar elevation, (Take another look at the picture I attached.) That should read satellite elevation + declination. Dish elevation = satellite elevation. Declination is the angular difference between the dish and the polar axis of the mount. (Dish elevation is declination lower than the polar elevation) Do you have the declination set correctly?

Lone Cloud

Apr 3, 2012

You know, a signal meter is nice, but as I've said before, it's cheaper and hard to beat wearing wireless rf headphones ($15) and hooking the sending unit to the audio out on your "beep" or "tone on scan" receiver. My Manhattan has that function, as does my Viewsat SD box.

In your situation, I would set my receiver on 83 west, Ku for Tuff or RTV, with the transponder and other settings as described in Lyngsat or in the Satellite list on this site. Hopefully your lnb setup can get Ku, but if not, use 78 west for Cband. You are better off using Ku for aiming though because it needs a more exacting aim. Before you go out to adjust your dish and in front of your TV, you make sure your receiver is on beep mode and you are getting the signal in your headphones, then you go out to your dish.

Really, the wireless headphone thing is pretty great because it has your hands free to work the dish and use wrenches, and you don't need to disconnect anything to hook up a meter. You just move and adjust the dish until you get the strongest audio signal .

I do think that people get off the arc when they set their zenith when their due south (I really don't like this term. It implies an exactness that isn't often there) satellite isn't exactly at their longitude. On my system, I average 15 counts or clicks per degree. My southernmost satellite is about a half degree east of my position, so I get zenith, then click east about 7 counts. Then, headphones on, I do the other two adjustments - turning the whole dish on the pole and elevation. Tighten at the best signal and you pretty much will be on the arc.

highskies

Apr 9, 2012

Lone Cloud said:
I do think that people get off the arc when they set their zenith when their due south (I really don't like this term. It implies an exactness that isn't often there) satellite isn't exactly at their longitude. On my system, I average 15 counts or clicks per degree. My southernmost satellite is about a half degree east of my position, so I get zenith, then click east about 7 counts. Then, headphones on, I do the other two adjustments - turning the whole dish on the pole and elevation. Tighten at the best signal and you pretty much will be on the arc.

How exactly is it determined when one has clicked 2 degrees? For example, 99W C band, I can be on the Lesea mux, have a lock light on the S9, then click several clicks either east or west, then still have a lock light. So if I were then wanting to determine how many clicks 2 degrees is on my 922, using 97 W to do so, from what point on 99 W would I determine this from? And what point on 97 W would I determine that I've moved 2 degrees?

FaT Air

Apr 10, 2012

Concerning the "clicks" to fudge the dish, not necessary. And arbitrary, as each system is going to be different.
"fudging" the dish E or W, is a short-cut used by experienced installers to help in making the first azimuth adjustment farther from the "south Satellite" Instead of maybe only the second or 3rd satellite away, You might be able to go 7, 8 or more satellites before an azimunth adjustment is necessary(to stay on the arc to find the furthest sat to the side, where your final azimuth adjustment is made).
For a first time experience, I'd rather one learn the ropes. Employ the short- cuts later.

Your "North - South alignment" is done, or corrected, when you adjust the dish at the side of the arc, (Azimuth adjustment). The polar mounted dish doesn't lower it's "look angle" much when the "south satellite" is within 5 - 10 degrees of Zenith. The elevation is close enough to only require a slight touch-up at the "south satellite" once azimuth is tuned in.

from dishpointer
Dish Location
Latitude: 48.1972°
Longitude: -96.9993°

Sat - 97W
Elevation:34.6°
Azimuth: 180.0° (Due South)

Sat - 91W
Elevation:34.3°
Azimuth: 172.0° - 8 degree azimuth change = .3° elevation change.

Sat - 87W
Elevation:33.8°
Azimuth: 166.7° Change in azimuth of 13.3° only lowered the dish .8 degrees.
Still within 10 ft BUD's beamwidth. Just go back to "south satellite" and touch-up elevation.

Back to the OP's querry, any progress?

Lone Cloud

Apr 11, 2012

highskies said:
How exactly is it determined when one has clicked 2 degrees? For example, 99W C band, I can be on the Lesea mux, have a lock light on the S9, then click several clicks either east or west, then still have a lock light. So if I were then wanting to determine how many clicks 2 degrees is on my 922, using 97 W to do so, from what point on 99 W would I determine this from? And what point on 97 W would I determine that I've moved 2 degrees?

Yeah well all of that is dependent upon the system you are using - which actuator, which mover, which dish and how things are bolted on. Actually, you aren't going to know how many clicks or counts per degree until you get it set up and working.

I wouldn't usually, but I have to disagree with Fat Air. I found that when I didn't do that seven clicks east (referred to as fudging) I was fine on the center of the arc, but as I got down further east and west, I was losing satellites. Getting zenith and doing that half degree fudge east lets me get the entire arc on just about my first try, the last half dozen or so times I did it.

Not knowing exactly how many clicks or counts per degree will make it less precise, but still better than setting a dish on zenith for a satellite that is a degree or two off of your longitude. I would do maybe five clicks per degree on your system. It's an approximation until you know for sure, but it will still be better than losing satellites far east and west.

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42 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
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i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

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Last reply Today at 2:08 PM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

New low power station with CP has been granted. "Albuquerque "

New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

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This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.

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Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

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Yesterday at 4:54 PM

N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

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Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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Today at 1:35 AM

According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

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Today at 2:08 PM

comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

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Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.

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Last reply Today at 1:28 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

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zippyfrog

Today at 12:34 PM

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:11 PM

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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Bruce

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Last reply Today at 1:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

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EchoStar Corporation, the owner of the DISH Network satellite television service and the Sling TV streaming platform, continued to experience steep declines in its pay-television customer base during the first three months of 2026. The company reported a net loss of approximately 366,000 pay-TV...

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fmj77

May 11, 2026

I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

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Bruce

May 11, 2026

fmj77 said:
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

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Yespage

May 18, 2026

$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

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telstar_1

Jun 2, 2026

I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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tsunami2311

Friday at 11:03 PM

Yespage said:
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...

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mwdxer1

Saturday at 3:08 AM

Bruce said:
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.

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tanman

Sunday at 12:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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nelson61

Monday at 8:20 PM

A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:16 PM

nelson61 said:
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.

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