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MichaelG

Last reply Jul 30, 2005 · posted in Old VOOM News and Developments Archive

Other Voom content - TMC-HD, MAX-HD, STARZ-HD

Now that I am getting the Voom 10 via the Dish dedicated 61.5 dish, I was wondering why E* doesn't use the Voom sat to continue to provide TMC-HD, MAX-HD, STARZ-HD to Dish users?

Doesn't all of the uplink facility and provisioning still operate? Wouldn't bandwidth be a non-issue since they wouldn't have to down-link the redundant SD content?

Excuse me if this had been covered elsewhere.

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MichaelG

Jun 27, 2005

voomvoom said:
These channels had nothing to do with Voom. They belong to Showtime, HBO and Starz. They would have to be negotiated for and would be available with the respective packages of the owners.Such as, TMC-HD would be in the Showtime unlimited package, MAX-HD would be in the Cinemax package and STARZ-HD would be in the Starz! Super Pak package. You would have to subscribe to each package to get the HD channel of your choice. Like you do now to get HBO HDTV or/and Showtime HD.

I miss Voom tooooooooo.......

Didn't E* acquire all of Voom's product including the existing facilities, equipment, PROGRAMMING, etc. They could have easily kept all 40,000 Voom subs running as was but that is not what they did and doesn't need to be part of the discussion here.

My question is simple. V* was broadcasting HBO, SHO, STARZ, MAX, TMC and ENCORE in HD. They also had the Voom 21. There was bandwidth left off for a good number of SD channels. They offered all of this BEFORE the Harmonic decoders were activated in March.

So ..... IF.......E* can add 10 of the Voom Originals on a second dedicated
dish without a major hardware change-out.....Why not add the other 16 channels remaining from the original VaVaVoom package....is it not still "there" on Rainbow1? (l left off Encore since it is not broadcast in HD anymore)

As as upconverts goes, almost everything in the movie vaults has to be converted in some way anyway since it was mostly shot on film. Quality will vary for sure but at least meets the eye as an HD film.

All I can say to E*, get going, you got a gift on a deal on some sweet equipment. I know because I saw Voom in operation (it was awesome) and looking at the BEST that Dish has to offer now......well it just is silly and no comparsion. Though the 942 is cool but is crippled with a tiny hard drive.

JamesJ

Jun 27, 2005

MichaelG said:
Didn't E* acquire all of Voom's product including the existing facilities, equipment, PROGRAMMING, etc. They could have easily kept all 40,000 Voom subs running as was but that is not what they did and doesn't need to be part of the discussion here.

My question is simple. V* was broadcasting HBO, SHO, STARZ, MAX, TMC and ENCORE in HD. They also had the Voom 21. There was bandwidth left off for a good number of SD channels. They offered all of this BEFORE the Harmonic decoders were activated in March.

So ..... IF.......E* can add 10 of the Voom Originals on a second dedicated
dish without a major hardware change-out.....Why not add the other 16 channels remaining from the original VaVaVoom package....is it not still "there" on Rainbow1? (l left off Encore since it is not broadcast in HD anymore)

As as upconverts goes, almost everything in the movie vaults has to be converted in some way anyway since it was mostly shot on film. Quality will vary for sure but at least meets the eye as an HD film.

All I can say to E*, get going, you got a gift on a deal on some sweet equipment. I know because I saw Voom in operation (it was awesome) and looking at the BEST that Dish has to offer now......well it just is silly and no comparsion. Though the 942 is cool but is crippled with a tiny hard drive.

I would refer you to Post #5 in this thread. Dish is using the transponder space as mpeg4 testing, we will see these channels at the beginning of next year, they are coming, just waiting for the switchover, or thats the plans now, things could change!

lilyarbie

Jun 27, 2005

They probably don't have contracts yet with the companies involved.....

At the time that Rainbow-1 was taken under control by Dish Network, Dish Network probably didn't have any contracts with the companies that own these channels to distribute them. Of course they have contracts on the SD channels or otherwise they wouldn't be currently distributing them. I imagine, however, that it would cost more than its worth right now to distribute those HD channels. You can't imagine how many people are not up to par with their HD sets. I've had several cases where I work of people who have bought HD sets and are only running regular SD receivers on them. They don't fully grasp the concept of HD. I also believe that there are many out there who are doing this simply because they "think" they have a good picture. Another thing is that if you compare the number of SD subscribers to the number of HD subscribers on Dish Network, there is a much higher percentage of those who are subscribing only to SD than those who subscribe to both HD and SD. If you were an executive in the company and concerned more with profit than better quality channels, then you'd probably not give in as much to expanding the HD line-up as you would your company's SD line-up.

tnsprin

Jun 27, 2005

lilyarbie said:
At the time that Rainbow-1 was taken under control by Dish Network, Dish Network probably didn't have any contracts with the companies that own these channels to distribute them. Of course they have contracts on the SD channels or otherwise they wouldn't be currently distributing them. I imagine, however, that it would cost more than its worth right now to distribute those HD channels. You can't imagine how many people are not up to par with their HD sets. I've had several cases where I work of people who have bought HD sets and are only running regular SD receivers on them. They don't fully grasp the concept of HD. I also believe that there are many out there who are doing this simply because they "think" they have a good picture. Another thing is that if you compare the number of SD subscribers to the number of HD subscribers on Dish Network, there is a much higher percentage of those who are subscribing only to SD than those who subscribe to both HD and SD. If you were an executive in the company and concerned more with profit than better quality channels, then you'd probably not give in as much to expanding the HD line-up as you would your company's SD line-up.

Remember Dish hasn't yet acquired Rainbow 1. But has made a deal to use the facilities pending the actual approval by the FCC of the deal. Not sure if its Dish employees or Voom actually doing the work at this time.

Clearly Dish doesn't have contracts with the non-voom HD channels (except those they already carried) at this time. And they don't want to tie up the all the frequencies and facilities at this time. They want to use some of them for other things. They apparenly prefer to wait for MPEG4 to essentially double the capacity of the frequencies currently used for HD.

Tvlman

Jul 30, 2005

Good suggestion. I would jump on any service that gave us back Cinemax HD, Starz HD and The Movie Channel HD. Also while you're at it how about Universal HD?

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N5XZS

Last reply 10 minutes ago · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

New low power station with CP has been granted. "Albuquerque "

New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.

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N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 4:54 PM

N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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comfortably_numb

Today at 1:35 AM

According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

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primestar31

10 minutes ago

comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

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www.fccinfo.com

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.

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dfergie

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Last reply 14 minutes ago · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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TRG

Monday at 3:34 PM

Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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dfergie

Monday at 4:27 PM

TRG said:
Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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TRG

Monday at 4:50 PM

dfergie said:
Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.

I've been retired since October. It was very strange at first. But I'm loving it now.

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TRG

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Creamy flat chicken enchiladas with green chile, beans and rice.

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zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 50 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

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zippyfrog

Today at 12:34 PM

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:11 PM

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

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telstar_1

50 minutes ago

Does cable charge box rent?

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

DISH & Sling TV Lost Over 366,000 TV Subscribers In Just 3 Months | Cord Cutters News

EchoStar Corporation, the owner of the DISH Network satellite television service and the Sling TV streaming platform, continued to experience steep declines in its pay-television customer base during the first three months of 2026. The company reported a net loss of approximately 366,000 pay-TV...

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fmj77

May 11, 2026

I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

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Bruce

May 11, 2026

fmj77 said:
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

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Yespage

May 18, 2026

$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

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telstar_1

Jun 2, 2026

I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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tsunami2311

Friday at 11:03 PM

Yespage said:
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...

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mwdxer1

Saturday at 3:08 AM

Bruce said:
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.

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tanman

Sunday at 12:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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nelson61

Monday at 8:20 PM

A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:16 PM

nelson61 said:
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.

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lordodogg

Last reply Today at 12:54 PM · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

HR44 rebooted overnight?

Hello again, haven't posted here in a while.

This morning, around 6:30am, I woke up and found the front panel lights on my HR44 on (I leave it off all the time as it is co-located with one of my Geminis).

Immediately thinking that either a reboot or power outage occurred, I checked the software version, and found that it's still the same release that was sent out last month.

I then ruled out a power outage by checking the clocks on my appliances and seeing that they're still correct (they reset when there's an outage, somewhat similar to the "blinking 12" on VCRs).

I then confirmed a reboot by checking the Upcoming Recordings (fka To-Do List) and seeing that the number was much lower than before (it always resets after a reboot).

I am definitely guessing what happened (and it may very well be actually what happened) is that the "Reset Required" prompt may have come up sometime overnight, and it eventually timed out and rebooted automatically. IIRC that prompt comes up when new software "plugins" have to be installed.

Would like to hear your thoughts, especially since I probably haven't talked to some of you reading this in a while (was a former CE member, left almost a year ago).

Thank you all in advance!

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Tom Speer

May 20, 2026

My HR54 blue light is on this morning. I think you ae right about the plugins. They are tweaking things in the customer National release. What version does your HR44 Genie have now? I think you are probably on the same varsion as the CE group today.

lordodogg

May 20, 2026

I believe mine says 0x1D7F

Tom Speer

May 20, 2026

That is what I have.

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lordodogg

Today at 12:54 PM

Happened again today & have new software, 0x1d88

Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 11:08 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

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One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 10:24 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

DNS Work being done

Our DNS provider is encouraging us to enable DNSSEC on our domains for added security.

I have gone ahead and enabled it, and am told it may take anywhere from 90 minutes to 24 hours for it to take effect.

Hopefully doing this does not harm the site in any way. (It shouldn't) but if it does, you will then know why and I will revert the settings.

But from what I am reading it should be ok. so just giving a warning as I have screwed up DNS stuff in the past.

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Scott Greczkowski

Today at 10:24 AM

Doing my checks it appears the changes have gone through... and we are still here. (Phew!)

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