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johnnynobody said:

The actuator pulse counter is in the same bundle as the motor power wiring.

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This is a concern. Do the pulse counter wires have their own shielding jacket, separate from the motor wires?

fred555 said:

This is a concern. Do the pulse counter wires have their own shielding jacket, separate from the motor wires?

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That is the way my ribbon is made. the motor and sensor wires in one bundle but the sensor wires are shielded and there is a shield drain wire with the three sensor wires also.
IMHO, I would lose the GBox

Magic Static said:

IMHO, I would lose the GBox

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What would you recommend as a Gbox replacement?

johnnynobody said:

What would you recommend as a Gbox replacement?

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Unfortunately there is not a lot of choice in that. I just found the GBox to be inaccurate. I found that it tells you it has reached a position you sent it to regardless of the actual count. I found the late model VBox 7 that there are a few around still, will also miss the count but say they are on position. The early ones did not do this. They would check the count and backup if they had overshot the mark. So that leaves you with the ASC1 which is a very different control unit. Out of all the DiSEqC control boxes I've used the GBox was my least favorite.

Magic Static said:

Unfortunately there is not a lot of choice in that. I just found the GBox to be inaccurate. I found that it tells you it has reached a position you sent it to regardless of the actual count. I found the late model VBox 7 that there are a few around still, will also miss the count but say they are on position. The early ones did not do this. They would check the count and backup if they had overshot the mark. So that leaves you with the ASC1 which is a very different control unit. Out of all the DiSEqC control boxes I've used the GBox was my least favorite.

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Interesting. Goes to show different devices work different with different people. Had the GBox working and went with the ASC-1. Could never get the ASC-1 that is high quality and built like a battle ship to work correctly on my 10 footer. Got tired of over runs and went back to the GBox and it is always right on and has never given me any problems. When it dies, I hope never, it will be interesting on just what to replace it with.

RT-Cat said:

Interesting. Goes to show different devices work different with different people. Had the GBox working and went with the ASC-1. Could never get the ASC-1 that is high quality and built like a battle ship to work correctly on my 10 footer. Got tired of over runs and went back to the GBox and it is always right on and has never given me any problems. When it dies, I hope never, it will be interesting on just what to replace it with.

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I have no doubt that what you say is true. But I was trying to get way more performance from my GBox than it was capable of. I'm using a 10' dish for Ku and with the narrow beam width you have with that dish you need accurate positioning. 20 counts per degree is accurate enough but the GBox couldn't quite maintain that accuracy at the speed of the dish motor (AJAK HH180) . I found the VBox-X quite capable of handling 20 counts per degree and landing on the right count every time.

I haven't said much about the ASC1 lately. You are a long time reader in this forum so you know I have been most vocal about the count issues some folks have had, you and me, with the ASC1. You have seen all the efforts to resolve the issue. But I am using an ASC1 for the past couple of months with absolutely no count errors. And let me tell you why. Because while many people were quick to give up on the ASC1 and Brian Gohl and I was one, He never gave up on us. That simple, Brian never gave up on us. The hoops that man has jumped through to make the ASC1 worthy is incredible. But he did and it is! I can say now the ASC1 is the unit I always wanted it to be.

RT-Cat said:

Interesting. Goes to show different devices work different with different people. Had the GBox working and went with the ASC-1. Could never get the ASC-1 that is high quality and built like a battle ship to work correctly on my 10 footer. Got tired of over runs and went back to the GBox and it is always right on and has never given me any problems. When it dies, I hope never, it will be interesting on just what to replace it with.

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Sounds like what happens with solving computer problems - what works for one person doesn't work for another. Anyway, I'd hate to spend $180 for an ASC-1 motor control only to find that it doesn't solve my problem.

Either way? Wow, that is unusual! USually it is either landing short or running long, not both.

Here is an interesting component that Magic Static found. I haven't tried it, but it sure looks interesting for cleaning motor RFI:
http://www.alliedelec.com/red-lion-...gclid=CKW4rITpvMgCFQNsfgodo3AINg#tab=overview

Magic Static also is building a device that could be easily adapted to your system by adding a 5Vdc power supply. It isolates and reforms the switch closures to provide even switch pulses without switch bounce.

johnnynobody said:

Sounds like what happens with solving computer problems - what works for one person doesn't work for another. Anyway, I'd hate to spend $180 for an ASC-1 motor control only to find that it doesn't solve my problem.

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It may not be an electronic problem. If you haven't already, I would recommend checking for looseness where the actuator attaches to the dish and pole. Could be an easy fix, you never know.

Magic Static said:

.....I haven't said much about the ASC1 lately.....You have seen all the efforts to resolve the issue. But I am using an ASC1 for the past couple of months with absolutely no count errors. And let me tell you why. Because while many people were quick to give up on the ASC1 and Brian Gohl and I was one, He never gave up on us. That simple, Brian never gave up on us. The hoops that man has jumped through to make the ASC1 worthy is incredible. But he did and it is! I can say now the ASC1 is the unit I always wanted it to be.

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I will agree with you 100% on that statement. If we could get only 1/2 that effort on everything we purchase all products would soon become great.

Titanium said:

.....RT-Cat, if you still have the ASC1, would you like to test the final beta on soon to be released ASC1 firmware? The testers have indicated excellent results with switch bounce, coasting counts and line noise.

The code has been rewritten to provide increased compatibility with problematic linear actuators and AJAK HH motors. It also addresses the repeat DiSEqC command strings issued by some STBs during loss of signal events or when surfing a satellite list.

Also was curious if you ever checked for voltage potential on the wires coming in from the dish. Since the Gbox and Vboxes are not grounded, this issue is often masked.

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So much time has gone by now that all I can remember is going through many different "functions" to make the ASC-1 work with my equipment. But, and that is a big but, even if it did work without any problems, there was a good chance I may have removed it anyway. Call it lazy if one wants to but for the about three weeks it was in use, I would sit down, glance over in that direction and realize I could not see what satellite I was on. With the BIG numbers on the GBox, it was a quick glance and I could tell instantly. With the ASC-1 I would have to get up and walk over, get close, and read what satellite I was on.
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Greatly appreciate the offer on the beta test of the new firmware. Really don't have the time to do so now. As soon as this is posted I need to get out to the woodshop, finish a project so I can get it installed in a house in town the go on to the next. There just isn't enough time to play after you retire......

As a outsider I would have to say look at your equipment. I agree a ground differential or a shielding problem. The ASC1 is the most reliable piece of equipment in my arsenal. It tracks fine from a A3 to a cheap X2 receiver. Make sure your dishes, switches and recievers are on the same ground.

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest something completely different.
Start near the center of the arc where you are certain that you are tracking perfectly and re-check the centering on your LNBF, as well as the focal distance--for maximum signal and minimum sidelobes. All of this is extremely important because you are using an extra large 12-foot dish.

The larger the dish, the more physical forces you are fighting with not only in actually finding the perfect mechanical alignment of feed devices, but in backlash from the weight of the dish itself and the physics of counting. As you cross due south there will be a substantial shifting of weight, as you are pushing Up, then starting to drop over the center of gravity. If there is any play whatsoever in the motor drive linkage or counting, positioning may appear to be less than accurate. However, if you are consistently starting on one end of the arc, going to the other, and then coming back to the original start point and the dish position numbers are not changing in the end, you may not have a counting problem with the positioner control, but rather are just dealing with the physics of having a monster dish. There will be sidelobes, and you can be fooled, especially on C-band, where the hottest signal is. This will be most noticable if you do not have perfect centering and distance on your LNBF. Try aligning a 16 foot dish and it gets even worse. A 12-foot dish is just simply a lot bigger technical challenge to align perfectly than a smaller 7.5 or 10 foot reflector, and you must be a perfectionist in its initial setup.