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WhiteBeard

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Last reply Oct 20, 2015 · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

need to improve pointing accuracy

fred555 said:
Noise in the pulse counter wiring would be my first guess? Please describe the wiring to the actuator, what type of actuator, wire gauges, shielding, grounding etc... I'm sure there are smarter ones than me here that can also help get to the bottom of this situation. Electrical noise would make some counts get lost on the way back to the position you are going for, then the dish would be in wrong spot. Motor and sensor wires in the same bundle is the cause I have seen here mostly.

I'm using the standard "ribbon" cable. By that, I mean there's 2 coax runs, and motor wire bundle and a polarator bundle. The actuator pulse counter is in the same bundle as the motor power wiring. The polarator wiring isn't used because I'm using LNBF's. As for grounding, all my outside stuff is single point grounded to the power company ground rod. I've tried attaching the motor wire bundle shield to a ground terminal at both ends, then just one end, and then no connection at either end - doesn't fix my problem. A different make/model actuator has been tried also. I've even tried using decoupling capacitors. I had this same problem on both my old Paraclipse 12 footer and my newer KTI 12 footer also. One would think that the count wouldn't be so far off that the signal would be lost. The count is off by 2-5 counts (9% to 22.5%). The pulse count averages to 22.17 counts per degree for the KTI using a Gbox. One thing I haven't tried is using the polarator wiring for the actuator pulse count. But, being the pessimist that I am, I don't expect that to fix my problem either.

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fred555

Oct 17, 2015

johnnynobody said:
The actuator pulse counter is in the same bundle as the motor power wiring.

This is a concern. Do the pulse counter wires have their own shielding jacket, separate from the motor wires?

Magic Static

Oct 17, 2015

fred555 said:
This is a concern. Do the pulse counter wires have their own shielding jacket, separate from the motor wires?

That is the way my ribbon is made. the motor and sensor wires in one bundle but the sensor wires are shielded and there is a shield drain wire with the three sensor wires also.
IMHO, I would lose the GBox

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WhiteBeard

Oct 17, 2015

Magic Static said:
IMHO, I would lose the GBox

What would you recommend as a Gbox replacement?

Magic Static

Oct 17, 2015

johnnynobody said:
What would you recommend as a Gbox replacement?

Unfortunately there is not a lot of choice in that. I just found the GBox to be inaccurate. I found that it tells you it has reached a position you sent it to regardless of the actual count. I found the late model VBox 7 that there are a few around still, will also miss the count but say they are on position. The early ones did not do this. They would check the count and backup if they had overshot the mark. So that leaves you with the ASC1 which is a very different control unit. Out of all the DiSEqC control boxes I've used the GBox was my least favorite.

RT-Cat

Oct 18, 2015

Magic Static said:
Unfortunately there is not a lot of choice in that. I just found the GBox to be inaccurate. I found that it tells you it has reached a position you sent it to regardless of the actual count. I found the late model VBox 7 that there are a few around still, will also miss the count but say they are on position. The early ones did not do this. They would check the count and backup if they had overshot the mark. So that leaves you with the ASC1 which is a very different control unit. Out of all the DiSEqC control boxes I've used the GBox was my least favorite.

Interesting. Goes to show different devices work different with different people. Had the GBox working and went with the ASC-1. Could never get the ASC-1 that is high quality and built like a battle ship to work correctly on my 10 footer. Got tired of over runs and went back to the GBox and it is always right on and has never given me any problems. When it dies, I hope never, it will be interesting on just what to replace it with.

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Magic Static

Oct 18, 2015

RT-Cat said:
Interesting. Goes to show different devices work different with different people. Had the GBox working and went with the ASC-1. Could never get the ASC-1 that is high quality and built like a battle ship to work correctly on my 10 footer. Got tired of over runs and went back to the GBox and it is always right on and has never given me any problems. When it dies, I hope never, it will be interesting on just what to replace it with.

I have no doubt that what you say is true. But I was trying to get way more performance from my GBox than it was capable of. I'm using a 10' dish for Ku and with the narrow beam width you have with that dish you need accurate positioning. 20 counts per degree is accurate enough but the GBox couldn't quite maintain that accuracy at the speed of the dish motor (AJAK HH180) . I found the VBox-X quite capable of handling 20 counts per degree and landing on the right count every time.

I haven't said much about the ASC1 lately. You are a long time reader in this forum so you know I have been most vocal about the count issues some folks have had, you and me, with the ASC1. You have seen all the efforts to resolve the issue. But I am using an ASC1 for the past couple of months with absolutely no count errors. And let me tell you why. Because while many people were quick to give up on the ASC1 and Brian Gohl and I was one, He never gave up on us. That simple, Brian never gave up on us. The hoops that man has jumped through to make the ASC1 worthy is incredible. But he did and it is! I can say now the ASC1 is the unit I always wanted it to be.

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WhiteBeard

Oct 18, 2015

RT-Cat said:
Interesting. Goes to show different devices work different with different people. Had the GBox working and went with the ASC-1. Could never get the ASC-1 that is high quality and built like a battle ship to work correctly on my 10 footer. Got tired of over runs and went back to the GBox and it is always right on and has never given me any problems. When it dies, I hope never, it will be interesting on just what to replace it with.

Sounds like what happens with solving computer problems - what works for one person doesn't work for another. Anyway, I'd hate to spend $180 for an ASC-1 motor control only to find that it doesn't solve my problem.

Titanium

Oct 18, 2015

Either way? Wow, that is unusual! USually it is either landing short or running long, not both.

Here is an interesting component that Magic Static found. I haven't tried it, but it sure looks interesting for cleaning motor RFI:
http://www.alliedelec.com/red-lion-...gclid=CKW4rITpvMgCFQNsfgodo3AINg#tab=overview

Magic Static also is building a device that could be easily adapted to your system by adding a 5Vdc power supply. It isolates and reforms the switch closures to provide even switch pulses without switch bounce.

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N6BY

Oct 19, 2015

johnnynobody said:
Sounds like what happens with solving computer problems - what works for one person doesn't work for another. Anyway, I'd hate to spend $180 for an ASC-1 motor control only to find that it doesn't solve my problem.

It may not be an electronic problem. If you haven't already, I would recommend checking for looseness where the actuator attaches to the dish and pole. Could be an easy fix, you never know.

RT-Cat

Oct 19, 2015

Magic Static said:
.....I haven't said much about the ASC1 lately.....You have seen all the efforts to resolve the issue. But I am using an ASC1 for the past couple of months with absolutely no count errors. And let me tell you why. Because while many people were quick to give up on the ASC1 and Brian Gohl and I was one, He never gave up on us. That simple, Brian never gave up on us. The hoops that man has jumped through to make the ASC1 worthy is incredible. But he did and it is! I can say now the ASC1 is the unit I always wanted it to be.

I will agree with you 100% on that statement. If we could get only 1/2 that effort on everything we purchase all products would soon become great.

Titanium said:
.....RT-Cat, if you still have the ASC1, would you like to test the final beta on soon to be released ASC1 firmware? The testers have indicated excellent results with switch bounce, coasting counts and line noise.

The code has been rewritten to provide increased compatibility with problematic linear actuators and AJAK HH motors. It also addresses the repeat DiSEqC command strings issued by some STBs during loss of signal events or when surfing a satellite list.

Also was curious if you ever checked for voltage potential on the wires coming in from the dish. Since the Gbox and Vboxes are not grounded, this issue is often masked.

So much time has gone by now that all I can remember is going through many different "functions" to make the ASC-1 work with my equipment. But, and that is a big but, even if it did work without any problems, there was a good chance I may have removed it anyway. Call it lazy if one wants to but for the about three weeks it was in use, I would sit down, glance over in that direction and realize I could not see what satellite I was on. With the BIG numbers on the GBox, it was a quick glance and I could tell instantly. With the ASC-1 I would have to get up and walk over, get close, and read what satellite I was on.
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Greatly appreciate the offer on the beta test of the new firmware. Really don't have the time to do so now. As soon as this is posted I need to get out to the woodshop, finish a project so I can get it installed in a house in town the go on to the next. There just isn't enough time to play after you retire......

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Comptech

Oct 19, 2015

As a outsider I would have to say look at your equipment. I agree a ground differential or a shielding problem. The ASC1 is the most reliable piece of equipment in my arsenal. It tracks fine from a A3 to a cheap X2 receiver. Make sure your dishes, switches and recievers are on the same ground.

mikekohl

Oct 20, 2015

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest something completely different.
Start near the center of the arc where you are certain that you are tracking perfectly and re-check the centering on your LNBF, as well as the focal distance--for maximum signal and minimum sidelobes. All of this is extremely important because you are using an extra large 12-foot dish.

The larger the dish, the more physical forces you are fighting with not only in actually finding the perfect mechanical alignment of feed devices, but in backlash from the weight of the dish itself and the physics of counting. As you cross due south there will be a substantial shifting of weight, as you are pushing Up, then starting to drop over the center of gravity. If there is any play whatsoever in the motor drive linkage or counting, positioning may appear to be less than accurate. However, if you are consistently starting on one end of the arc, going to the other, and then coming back to the original start point and the dish position numbers are not changing in the end, you may not have a counting problem with the positioner control, but rather are just dealing with the physics of having a monster dish. There will be sidelobes, and you can be fooled, especially on C-band, where the hottest signal is. This will be most noticable if you do not have perfect centering and distance on your LNBF. Try aligning a 16 foot dish and it gets even worse. A 12-foot dish is just simply a lot bigger technical challenge to align perfectly than a smaller 7.5 or 10 foot reflector, and you must be a perfectionist in its initial setup.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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Anony55

Last reply Today at 7:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.

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Nebugeater

Dec 22, 2025

Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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Nebugeater

Oct 2, 2026

tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Anony55

Yesterday at 6:18 PM

Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.

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dishstaller

Today at 11:31 AM

Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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Anony55

Today at 4:19 PM

dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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telstar_1

Today at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Corrado

Today at 7:40 PM

Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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zippyfrog

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Last reply Today at 7:37 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Darrell S

Today at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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Last reply Today at 6:20 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Today at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Today at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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Last reply Today at 5:37 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

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Foxbat

Today at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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comfortably_numb

Today at 11:31 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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Not likely since that place closed down.

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Foxbat

Today at 5:37 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Not likely since that place closed down.

You're no fun.

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Therm

Last reply Today at 4:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishstaller

Today at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change

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dishdude

Today at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Today at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Today at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Today at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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Foxbat

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Last reply Today at 3:48 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Today at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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navychop

Today at 2:31 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

ncted

Today at 3:45 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.

ncted

Today at 3:46 PM

navychop said:
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.

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navychop

Today at 3:48 PM

Will do!

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cpdretired

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 3:29 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.

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bnewt

Sep 23, 2026

Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

look again mine says free for 1 month

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Almighty1

Today at 2:13 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:02 AM

Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that

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Almighty1

Today at 3:07 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1

Today at 3:29 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
wonder why it says that

Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 2:23 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

This Week in Space 232

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