Social Feed

Waterskier1

Last reply Nov 25, 2015 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Can I use a Hopper (all 4 tuners) with OTA on same cable, and Joey?

Currently I have a 612,a 722, and 211K receivers. I have the 722 in the basement where all the sat antenna (3 coaxes) and OTA antennas enter the house. The 722 is connected one of the sat antenna coaxes, the internet and a sling box, and the SD output is connected to a video distribution system which also has OTA antenna input. This allow me to watch SD Dish and/or OTA at all the wired coax outlets in the house.

In addition, I have a 612 in the living room, fed with a cable that is diplex/triplex with one sat antenna (supplying two tuners in the 612) and OTA antenna from the basement. This cable is then diplex/triplex to the two tuners in the 612 and the OTA signal which is split between a Tivo box and the OTA input to the 612. This give me 2 dish sat channels plus one OTA recording on the 612 plus 2 channels OTA recording on the Tivo, just in the living room.

I have the 211K receiver in my bedroom, fed with one coax from the basement. That cable has the sat antenna diplex/triplex with the video distribution (which is actually rf, not video) rf output of the 722 mixed with OTA signals. This allows me to view the output of the 722 in SD, OTA and also input to the 211K. I did this so I can watch recorded shows from the 722, OTA shows, and HD live sat on the 211K. I also use the 211K in my RV.

Now I'd like to replace all this (possibly not the 211K since I'll still need it in the RV) with a Hopper/Joey system. I think I'd need to put the Hopper in the basement, since it will need two coax inputs from the sat antenna for the 4-tuner recording/watching. But, I don't believe that the Hopper has OTA recording or even an input, so I'll to supply OTA, and Hopper output to a Joey and Tivo in the Living Room which only has one coax cable. All coax cables are installed inside walls/ceiling and installing new ones (professionally inside wall/ceilings) would be a nightmare, cutting drywall in multiple locations, upstairs and downstairs). I've read that you can have the moca signals between the Hopper/joey and OTA signals on the same coax. So, it seems that the only solution for that location would be a wireless Joey, and use the coax for OTA only.

I believe that I'd have to do the same (wifi Joey) in my bedroom.

I would leave the rest of the TVs on rf input, assuming there is an rf output from the hopper, which will be SD only. I'm finding I'm not using those TV as much anyway.

I believe that the wireless Joey has less functionality, and certainly doesn't have any recording capability, so I'll loose at least one record tuner capability.

Does this sound like it would work? Is there a better solution without tearing out walls and ceilings to route coax cables? Routing cables along the outside of the house or around baseboards is NOT an option.

32 Replies · 9925 views

Load Replies (32) Reply Legacy View

bwexler

Nov 21, 2015

You can think of the node like a splitter. It can be placed anywhere between the Sat Dish and the Hopper(s). A solo node can support ONE Hopper and several Joeys. A dual node can support two Hoppers and multiple Joeys. A solo node requires two coax cables from the Dish and a dual node requires 3 coax cables from the dish. Only one coax is needed from the node to each Hopper or Joey location. You can ad a tap (splitter) if you need more locations then the node can connect directly. A super Joey has some special wiring requirements, that are above my pay grade.
A Perfect system for a couple, who are TV junkies is two Hoppers with Sling and enough Joeys (at $7/month each) to support all your remaining TVs, Plus an OTA adapter on each Hopper. This would allow eight independent tuners, one of which can magically record the four major networks. then 8 TVs ( or 11 if 4 are watching the networks) can independently watch what they want live or any recordings on the Hoppers.
If the Hopper is recording it consumes one tuner for the four network channels and one tuner for each additional channel. The OTA tuner can only tune ONE channel at a time to watch or record.
Since I am getting as long winded as you, I will let you digest this and respond with more questions as you sort through the maze.

harshness

Nov 22, 2015

bwexler said:
You can think of the node like a splitter.

No, you cannot. It is nothing like a splitter. If you play fast and loose with the terminology, it could be thought of as a special kind of combiner.

It is a stacker that puts enough bands on a single cable to feed three tuners.

Waterskier1

Nov 22, 2015

Ok, then a "node" is a piece of hardware, independent of the existing dish antenna, and the hopper/joeys?

harshness said:
No, you cannot. It is nothing like a splitter. If you play fast and loose with the terminology, it could be thought of as a special kind of combiner.

It is a stacker that puts enough bands on a single cable to feed three tuners.

harshness

Nov 23, 2015

Waterskier1 said:
Ok, then a "node" is a piece of hardware, independent of the existing dish antenna, and the hopper/joeys?

Sure, you could say that, but so is a remote control.

Waterskier1

Nov 24, 2015

harshness said:
Sure, you could say that, but so is a remote control.

My point is that this "Node" does not exist within the Hopper, it is additional hardware to the hopper/joey boxes/Dish 1000 antenna.

Centex

Nov 24, 2015

Waterskier1 said:
My point is that this "Node" does not exist within the Hopper, it is additional hardware to the hopper/joey boxes/Dish 1000 antenna.

That is correct. Without getting pedantic, the node acts as a router for your Hopper/Joey system. As others have said, it is installed between the Dish and the hopper. Single hopper systems use a Solo node, 2 hopper setups use a Duo node. The node is what separates the signals into specific bandwidths to carry carry multiple streams on a single cable. The system has to have a node even if it is a single Hopper and no Joeys.

We have a service closet that all of the cables come into. That is where our node lives. 3 cables come in from the Dish antenna, and the various cables go out to their respective Hoppers/joeys.

Reactions: Waterskier1

Waterskier1

Nov 25, 2015

Ok, I guess this is like an enhanced version of what I now call "Triplexer" which "stacks" two sat antenna feeds onto a single coax, along with OTA signals. I'm getting the overall idea how this works. I realize that many people don't care to know these details, but I feel it necessary since I will be installing or directing the installation if I choose to upgrade at this time. My biggest concern is getting both OTA and MOCA to two different locations, assuming I locate the Hopper(s) in the basement "service closet" where all three Dish antenna coaxes along with OTA antenna coax enter my house. And without tearing out ceiling/wall drywall to run new cable(s). I'm guessing that wireless Joeys might be the answer, with OTA on the existing coaxes from the "service closet" to current locations. That would allow me to still use my Tivo on Local HD (much better quality than Dish compressed Locals) to supplement the Hopper(s).

Now, I it's determined that I need two Hoppers to meet recording demands (and I'll have to confirm that I'll need two if I use one in Prime Time mode), can 2-3 wireless joeys access all the recordings/signals tuned on both Hoppers?

Thanks for taking the time to educate me on this new (to me) technology.

Centex said:
That is correct. Without getting pedantic, the node acts as a router for your Hopper/Joey system. As others have said, it is installed between the Dish and the hopper. Single hopper systems use a Solo node, 2 hopper setups use a Duo node. The node is what separates the signals into specific bandwidths to carry carry multiple streams on a single cable. The system has to have a node even if it is a single Hopper and no Joeys.

We have a service closet that all of the cables come into. That is where our node lives. 3 cables come in from the Dish antenna, and the various cables go out to their respective Hoppers/joeys.

JosephB said:
Of course, he said "without getting pedantic". For an average Joe, calling it the "router" even though it's not really doing any routing is a good way to describe its role in the system. Even my 53 year old mother knows what a router is, and what people call "routers" these days at home aren't truly just routers but also wireless access points and switches and sometimes modems too.

JosephB

Nov 25, 2015

Waterskier1 said:
Ok, I guess this is like an enhanced version of what I now call "Triplexer" which "stacks" two sat antenna feeds onto a single coax, along with OTA signals. I'm getting the overall idea how this works. I realize that many people don't care to know these details, but I feel it necessary since I will be installing or directing the installation if I choose to upgrade at this time. My biggest concern is getting both OTA and MOCA to two different locations, assuming I locate the Hopper(s) in the basement "service closet" where all three Dish antenna coaxes along with OTA antenna coax enter my house. And without tearing out ceiling/wall drywall to run new cable(s). I'm guessing that wireless Joeys might be the answer, with OTA on the existing coaxes from the "service closet" to current locations. That would allow me to still use my Tivo on Local HD (much better quality than Dish compressed Locals) to supplement the Hopper(s).

Now, I it's determined that I need two Hoppers to meet recording demands (and I'll have to confirm that I'll need two if I use one in Prime Time mode), can 2-3 wireless joeys access all the recordings/signals tuned on both Hoppers?

Thanks for taking the time to educate me on this new (to me) technology.

The simple fact is that no, you cannot diplex OTA onto the same coax that is carrying signal to/from a Hopper or Joey.

This PDF is really, really great at explaining all the different components of a Hopper system (with the exception of Super Joeys): http://www.collinsdistribution.com/techservice/Whole_Home_Install_Configurations.pdf

The frequency plan for a Hopper system is the following:
Satellite: 950 MHz to 3 GHz. MoCA: 650 MHz to 875 MHz.

OTA in the US is on two bands: VHF: 54 and 216 MHz, UHF: 470 and 890 MHz.

Most channels these days are in UHF, so you're going to step all over the MoCA signal when you try to diplex OTA into the mix.

Since the Hopper is a server/client system, you only really need OTA at the Hopper location, not all of the Joeys, so maybe that will help simplify. And if you put Joeys (or even super joeys) at the TVs, you can re-use RF distribution cabling to distribute the MoCA signal.

JosephB

Nov 25, 2015

I just re-read your post to try to better understand.

A couple of questions: How many tuners do you need active at one time (including both recording and viewing live TV)?

Are you OK with getting rid of the TiVo if you can do OTA on the Hopper, and distribute the Hopper's live TV and recorded TV to all locations?

Depending on those, you're probably in good shape with a Hopper in your basement and a Super Joey in the location of your 612. With that setup, 2 satellite tuners will be at the location of your 612, 3 satellite tuners + 1 OTA tuner will be at your Hopper in the basement, and the other TV location(s) will get their programming to a regular Joey via MoCA over coax. If everything is home-run back to your basement, no re-wiring should be necessary. You might need to swap out Whole Home Video Distribution stuff (like amps) with regular splitters, but otherwise should be in good shape.

And the box you want to keep for your RV, just put it in the RV. I wouldn't try to include it in this setup, it will drastically complicate things.

harshness

Nov 25, 2015

JosephB said:
OTA in the US is on two bands: VHF: 54 and 216 MHz, UHF: 470 and 890 MHz.

In the US, UHF tops out at just under 700MHz now that the DTV conversion is essentially complete. Subsequent to the DTV conversion, both the FCC and CRTC have passed rules that will eventually take UHF channel 51 out of the picture through attrition.

Then end result, as you asserted, is a small overlap between the OTA and DISH's E-band MoCA (there is a big overlap with AT&T's D-band DECA) so planning on using both is generally not a good idea. With DOCSIS cable modem technology reaching up into the 1.3GHz range, diplexing cable isn't a good plan either.

If OTA is critical in all locations, an independent system should be run as all of the other technologies (CATV, DBS and MoCA) are infringing. MoCA is perhaps the most dangerous as its relatively high-power signal can damage equipment that isn't designed to block the frequencies.

JosephB

Nov 25, 2015

harshness said:
In the US, UHF tops out at just under 700MHz now that the DTV conversion is essentially complete. Subsequent to the DTV conversion, both the FCC and CRTC have passed rules that will eventually take UHF channel 51 out of the picture through attrition.

Then end result, as you asserted, is a small overlap between the OTA and DISH's E-band MoCA (there is a big overlap with AT&T's D-band DECA) so planning on using both is generally not a good idea. With DOCSIS cable modem technology reaching up into the 1.3GHz range, diplexing cable isn't a good plan either.

If OTA is critical in all locations, an independent system should be run as all of the other technologies (CATV, DBS and MoCA) are infringing. MoCA is perhaps the most dangerous as its relatively high-power signal can damage equipment that isn't designed to block the frequencies.

Yeah, I learned so much about this because I was trying to diplex my cable modem onto a Hopper network and obviously that couldn't work. Technically it could have, since my cable modem is syncing to channels in the low 600mhz range, but I would have needed a filter to block anything above 700mhz, and of course there was no way to be sure that the cable company wouldn't want to switch me to other channels in the future. DOCSIS technically gets up to 1.3Ghz, but most cable systems are in the 900-950mhz range max.

Either way, I think the OP is going to be best served by a Hopper with an OTA module and not trying to get the OTA signal itself to all of the various locations, and just relying on the Hopper doing the tuning and sending programs out via clients and MoCA.

Reactions: thomasjk

harshness

Nov 25, 2015

JosephB said:
Either way, I think the OP is going to be best served by a Hopper with an OTA module and not trying to get the OTA signal itself to all of the various locations, and just relying on the Hopper doing the tuning and sending programs out via clients and MoCA.

If the previously undisclosed TiVo is to remain part of the mix, some manner of OTA distribution will be necessary at least at the TiVo location. For that, a separate cable should be pulled.

As I said, it is much, MUCH more important to know what the end game is than what's in play at the moment.

View all replies (32)

Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 9 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

DISH & Sling TV Lost Over 366,000 TV Subscribers In Just 3 Months | Cord Cutters News

EchoStar Corporation, the owner of the DISH Network satellite television service and the Sling TV streaming platform, continued to experience steep declines in its pay-television customer base during the first three months of 2026. The company reported a net loss of approximately 366,000 pay-TV...

cordcuttersnews.com

71 Replies · 3401 views

Load Replies (71) Reply Legacy View

fmj77

May 11, 2026

I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Reactions: charlesrshell

Bruce

May 11, 2026

fmj77 said:
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

Reactions: fmj77, telstar_1 and charlesrshell

Yespage

May 18, 2026

$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

Reactions: charlesrshell

telstar_1

Jun 2, 2026

I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

Reactions: MikeD-C05 and charlesrshell

tsunami2311

Friday at 11:03 PM

Yespage said:
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...

Reactions: charlesrshell

mwdxer1

Saturday at 3:08 AM

Bruce said:
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.

Reactions: charlesrshell and MikeD-C05

tanman

Sunday at 12:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

Hello Computer On Phone GIF - Hello Computer Hello On Phone - Discover & Share GIFs

Click to view the GIF

tenor.com

Reactions: charlesrshell

nelson61

Monday at 8:20 PM

A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

Reactions: charlesrshell

MikeD-C05

9 minutes ago

nelson61 said:
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.

Reactions: charlesrshell

View all replies (71)

zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 14 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

5 Replies · 60 views

Load Replies (5) Reply Legacy View

zippyfrog

Today at 11:22 AM

Never mind - according to chat, it seems like there is a glitch in their website. The prices for owned receivers are still $5.00.

Reactions: MikeD-C05, charlesrshell and Bobby

zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

Reactions: charlesrshell

telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Reactions: zippyfrog and charlesrshell

zippyfrog

51 minutes ago

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

Reactions: charlesrshell

MikeD-C05

14 minutes ago

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

Reactions: charlesrshell

lordodogg

Last reply 30 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

HR44 rebooted overnight?

Hello again, haven't posted here in a while.

This morning, around 6:30am, I woke up and found the front panel lights on my HR44 on (I leave it off all the time as it is co-located with one of my Geminis).

Immediately thinking that either a reboot or power outage occurred, I checked the software version, and found that it's still the same release that was sent out last month.

I then ruled out a power outage by checking the clocks on my appliances and seeing that they're still correct (they reset when there's an outage, somewhat similar to the "blinking 12" on VCRs).

I then confirmed a reboot by checking the Upcoming Recordings (fka To-Do List) and seeing that the number was much lower than before (it always resets after a reboot).

I am definitely guessing what happened (and it may very well be actually what happened) is that the "Reset Required" prompt may have come up sometime overnight, and it eventually timed out and rebooted automatically. IIRC that prompt comes up when new software "plugins" have to be installed.

Would like to hear your thoughts, especially since I probably haven't talked to some of you reading this in a while (was a former CE member, left almost a year ago).

Thank you all in advance!

4 Replies · 142 views

Load Replies (4) Reply Legacy View

Tom Speer

May 20, 2026

My HR54 blue light is on this morning. I think you ae right about the plugins. They are tweaking things in the customer National release. What version does your HR44 Genie have now? I think you are probably on the same varsion as the CE group today.

lordodogg

May 20, 2026

I believe mine says 0x1D7F

Tom Speer

May 20, 2026

That is what I have.

Reactions: lordodogg

lordodogg

30 minutes ago

Happened again today & have new software, 0x1d88

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 11:08 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

67106 Replies · 2662275 views

Load Replies (67106) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: c-spand

ClarkGable

Today at 6:48 AM

No Time - The Guess Who

Reactions: sdfntx

harshness

Today at 9:01 AM

Time After Time - Cyndi Lauper

sdfntx

Today at 9:50 AM

Right on Time - Brandi Carlile

gms49ers

Today at 11:00 AM

Time Stand Still - Rush

Bobby

Today at 11:08 AM

I Can't Help It (If I'm Still In Love With You) - B.J. Thomas

View all replies (67106)

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 10:24 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

DNS Work being done

Our DNS provider is encouraging us to enable DNSSEC on our domains for added security.

I have gone ahead and enabled it, and am told it may take anywhere from 90 minutes to 24 hours for it to take effect.

Hopefully doing this does not harm the site in any way. (It shouldn't) but if it does, you will then know why and I will revert the settings.

But from what I am reading it should be ok. so just giving a warning as I have screwed up DNS stuff in the past.

1 Replies · 35 views

Load Replies (1) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: RJT79, comfortably_numb, navychop and 2 others

Scott Greczkowski

Today at 10:24 AM

Doing my checks it appears the changes have gone through... and we are still here. (Phew!)

Reactions: RJT79, worstman1, Bobby and 4 others

Ham Radio 2.0

Today at 10:22 AM · posted in Ham Radio 2.0

I Went Wardriving for Meshtastic and Meshcoree Nodes!

Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erpXkKWLg54

Direct YouTube Link - I Went Wardriving for Meshtastic and Meshcoree Nodes!
Ham Radio 2.0 Website
Ham Radio 2.0 on Facebook

0 Replies · 6 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 10:09 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Tapatalk Removed

Due to security concerns and the fact that the Tapatalk Plugin for Xenforo is no longer being updated we have removed Tapatalk support from SatelliteGuys.

For those who were using it we recommend using our PWA App instead which is faster and does not have all the spam Tapatalk had. Below is a graphic showing how to add SatelliteGuys to your devices home screen. (While iOS is shown the process is mostly the same for Android.)

Thanks for your understanding.

7 Replies · 188 views

Load Replies (7) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Bobby, navychop, Ronnie- and 5 others

Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:28 AM

Thank you, Scott, for adding years to my Life and dropping my BP a few millimeters! Money well spent…

Reactions: Bobby, navychop and charlesrshell

dweber

Yesterday at 10:19 PM

Foxbat said:
Thank you, Scott, for adding years to my Life and dropping my BP a few millimeters! Money well spent…

What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.

Reactions: charlesrshell

Peter Parker

Today at 12:27 AM

Foxbat said:
Thank you, Scott, for adding years to my Life and dropping my BP a few millimeters! Money well spent…

Hooray!

Reactions: charlesrshell

Peter Parker

Today at 12:29 AM

dweber said:
What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.

Do you mean the safari browser?

Reactions: navychop, charlesrshell and Foxbat

Foxbat

Today at 3:22 AM

dweber said:
What is PWA app? PWA utilities seem to be a Spanish app. I hope you are seeing this since nothing seems to be working. I will miss SatelliteGuys. Tapatalk worked well. The Siri browser doesn't seem to work well.

Actually, PWA stands for "Progressive Web Application" and is basically just saving a site's homepage to your desktop where it appears as an "App" with the rest of your smartphone's Apps.

Reactions: charlesrshell

Scott Greczkowski

Today at 9:18 AM

A PWA is a custom version of SatelliteGuys which is optimized for mobile devices. While it may look like the website, its actually different so that only the files needed for mobile are sent, meaning its a much faster experience all around.

TapaTalk is essentially dead. It was written for PHP 5.4 and we are now running PHP 8.4. There have been a LOT of PHP security updates since then and since Tapatalk for Xenforo has not been updated in a long long time it is not the safest idea to keep running it.

In addition those trying to view the site on their mobile devices using a browser were getting spammed on the top of the screen for people to install TapaTalk, this ad in some cases would take up 20% of the users screen. We could get rid of that ad but we would have to pay $20 a month to get rid of it.

In addition TapaTalk could and was inserting their own ads on SatelliteGuys in the app which only benefitted them, SatelliteGuys was not paid for those ads they were displaying on our site. Again we could pay to get rid of those ads.

And here was the cost of the Premium Tier.

Now to make matters worse Tapatalk recently announced that they are going to start charging users of the app 99 cents a month to continue using it.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tapatalksupport/our-mobile-app-is-transitioning-to-a-paid-model-t48360.html#p261675

So soon you would be paying them each month to access SatelliteGuys via their app, again all the money going to them... and you would still see all their ads too.

Tapatalk was a great program which we run for many many years, and for a long time we DID pay for the premium tier. But now with such a small offset using it (My numbers show a total of 6 members) it wasn't work paying for any longer.

In addition Tapatalk was sold to a different owner who made lots of promises of improvements and updates but then that owner has been really radio silent since, instead they have been letting TapaTalk rot on the vine.

If you visit their support forum at https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tapatalksupport/ you will see there is not much going on, in fact most of the support questions posted there go unanswered.

Please give the PWA a try, I was a die hard Tapatalk user myself but now only use the PWA on devices. It is a much better all around experience, with no bloatware or additional ads based on your user membership level.

I don't have an android phone so I could not make a graphic showing you how to add SatelliteGuys PWA to your phones apps or home screen. But here is a site that explains how to do it on all kinds of devices. How to Install a PWA on iOS, Android, Windows & Mac [2025 Guide]

The above link also explains PWA's better as well.

If Tapatalk were to update their plugins so we know we are more secure and up to date and allow us to remove the "Smart Banner" without having to pay $20 a month, we would consider adding it back. I don't even care about their ads, as if a user wants to use their app and is willing to sit through their ads in order to use that app then I am ok with it.

But hopefully that explains better why it was removed. It was not done to cut anyone off from the site.

Please give the PWA a try.

Reactions: navychop, charlesrshell and b4pjoe

NYDutch

Today at 10:09 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
A PWA is a custom version of SatelliteGuys which is optimized for mobile devices. While it may look like the website, its actually different so that only the files needed for mobile are sent, meaning its a much faster experience all around.

TapaTalk is essentially dead. It was written for PHP 5.4 and we are now running PHP 8.4. There have been a LOT of PHP security updates since then and since Tapatalk for Xenforo has not been updated in a long long time it is not the safest idea to keep running it.

In addition those trying to view the site on their mobile devices using a browser were getting spammed on the top of the screen for people to install TapaTalk, this ad in some cases would take up 20% of the users screen. We could get rid of that ad but we would have to pay $20 a month to get rid of it.

View attachment 191729

In addition TapaTalk could and was inserting their own ads on SatelliteGuys in the app which only benefitted them, SatelliteGuys was not paid for those ads they were displaying on our site. Again we could pay to get rid of those ads.

View attachment 191730

And here was the cost of the Premium Tier.

View attachment 191731

Now to make matters worse Tapatalk recently announced that they are going to start charging users of the app 99 cents a month to continue using it.

View attachment 191732

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tapatalksupport/our-mobile-app-is-transitioning-to-a-paid-model-t48360.html#p261675

So soon you would be paying them each month to access SatelliteGuys via their app, again all the money going to them... and you would still see all their ads too.

Tapatalk was a great program which we run for many many years, and for a long time we DID pay for the premium tier. But now with such a small offset using it (My numbers show a total of 6 members) it wasn't work paying for any longer.

In addition Tapatalk was sold to a different owner who made lots of promises of improvements and updates but then that owner has been really radio silent since, instead they have been letting TapaTalk rot on the vine.

If you visit their support forum at https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tapatalksupport/ you will see there is not much going on, in fact most of the support questions posted there go unanswered.

Please give the PWA a try, I was a die hard Tapatalk user myself but now only use the PWA on devices. It is a much better all around experience, with no bloatware or additional ads based on your user membership level.

I don't have an android phone so I could not make a graphic showing you how to add SatelliteGuys PWA to your phones apps or home screen. But here is a site that explains how to do it on all kinds of devices. How to Install a PWA on iOS, Android, Windows & Mac [2025 Guide]

The above link also explains PWA's better as well.

If Tapatalk were to update their plugins so we know we are more secure and up to date and allow us to remove the "Smart Banner" without having to pay $20 a month, we would consider adding it back. I don't even care about their ads, as if a user wants to use their app and is willing to sit through their ads in order to use that app then I am ok with it.

But hopefully that explains better why it was removed. It was not done to cut anyone off from the site. Please give the PWA a try.

I just installed the PWA on my Android phone. It was pretty easy to do, and now I'm posting this from my phone. Thanks, Scott!

Reactions: charlesrshell and Scott Greczkowski

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 9:49 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

SatelliteGuys Fund Raiser

As you may have noticed we are doing a Fund Raiser for SatelliteGuys!

As many of you know I have been paying for a majority of the operation of the site out of my own pocket for awhile now. Now looking at things we have a number of renewals coming up that I could use some help with. These renewals include the license renewal for our Forum Software, Renewal of a number of our add on's the site uses, renewal of domain names etc.

I have set a goal of $400.00 - any extra that comes in will just go to fund the operations of the site. None of the money will go to me (I tried BuyMeACoffee a few months ago, and they denied me saying they do not do business with Satellite Piracy sites... which we are not... hell we host the beta programs for both DISH and DIRECTV here...)

Anyways... if you would like to help out please click the link below.

SatelliteGuys Maintenance Fund Raiser

www.satelliteguys.us

Thank you in advance.

18 Replies · 567 views

Load Replies (18) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: long_time_DNC, dfergie, Foxbat and 5 others

Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 8:19 PM

I planned on removing it today, but then my fathers car broke down and I had to drive him all around to get his stuff done. Then I had a doctors appointment after that which was annoying...

Dr asks me if I have had any changes, so I tell him something wrong with me that started a month or so ago and his reply back is, that it sucks to get old... I hate that. Why ask me. if your going to come back with a smart ass answer.

Anyays I hope to get rid of Tapatalk tomorrow.

And we had more people donate today, thank you! The extra money is going to future expenses since things like add ons don't expire at the same time.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU AGAIN!

Reactions: Howard Simmons, dhpeeple1, AZ. and 7 others

telstar_1

Tuesday at 11:26 PM

Yeah, dr's...joint pain? Your joints are wearing out. It hurts when I do this...don't do that

Reactions: FTA4PA, charlesrshell and dfergie

comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 7:58 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Dr asks me if I have had any changes, so I tell him something wrong with me that started a month or so ago and his reply back is, that it sucks to get old

No excuse for a flippant response like that from a doctor! I'd be looking for a different one.

Reactions: FTA4PA and charlesrshell

Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 9:10 AM

Tapatalk has been removed.

I have added a new feature which is a work in progress called "Social Feed" which displays the forums Facebook style. Its nice for people who like that, but needs work. But i have been watching this one for awhile and the author is being really responsive to suggestions and adding them. So if you have any please let me know and I can pass them along.

Reactions: Bobby, dhpeeple1, FTA4PA and 4 others

navychop

Yesterday at 10:14 AM

Reactions: charlesrshell

Scott Greczkowski

Today at 9:49 AM

We got more kind donations yesterday! Again a very big thank you to everyone for your support!

Reactions: Bobby, navychop, comfortably_numb and 1 other person

View all replies (18)

dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 8:58 AM · posted in The Sports Section

Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/AgOI9DNCmPg?si=l-YcZmHl7GXXF8fX

111 Replies · 2726 views

Load Replies (111) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Foxbat and meStevo

Foxbat

Sunday at 8:20 PM

Awesome pictures, Yespage! Thanks!

I caught the end of the four hour race on YouTube so I wasn't "spoiled", but got to see the exciting last lap action in the TCR division!

Yespage

Sunday at 8:30 PM

Foxbat said:
Awesome pictures, Yespage! Thanks!

I caught the end of the four hour race on YouTube so I wasn't "spoiled", but got to see the exciting last lap action in the TCR division!

I heard on the radio, after the final pitstop, Turner Motorsport were resigned to second place. 'You're in second. Don't worry about it. First is McLaren, we aren't catching them.'

Reactions: Foxbat

Yespage

Tuesday at 7:48 AM

Caught up to the 500... err... k in St. Louis. What a race! Andretti Motorsport were doing very well with Ericsson and Kirkwood, meanwhile Power was moving up the grid. Veekay started cautiously. He was working the tires just right, becoming more lethal later in the stint. Rasmussen was racing likewise, not nearly as insane as he has in the past. Palou was leading the race, in a shocker to all. Caio Collet was having a wonderful ride, making Ferucci potentially sweat a bit. Rain came, rain went, rain came, rain went. Generally mild sprinkles, but enough to pause racing on an oval.

Palou would kind of send Siegel into the wall. Siegel really didn't do much wrong. As he noted, you have to turn at some point. Palou had acres of room below and Siegel might have had his ticket out of Indycar stamped. Dixon was doing the fuel thing and got busted twice by yellows, not pitting before the flag came out. Then the most critical happened... Palou ran out of gas on pit lane, effectively giving Newgarden the race lead and win. Newgarden had a very early pit, so he was able to slide in, get service and go. Meanwhile, everyone else was confused and stuck behind Palou for a bit. Once people figured what was happening, Newgarden had a major advantage of several seconds. Newgarden wouldn't look back and when it went green again, he'd hold the lead for the win.

Massive credit to Juncos Hollinger who bested Penske in getting Veekay out before Malukas in a transition that was oddly bizarre. I haven't had time to check, but I'm wondering if Veekay was about to run out of fuel or cut a tire. He was charging late in a stint, got up to fifth, and then tailed back for a few laps to 10th or 11th. It looked like it was over. Went into the pits, and after the pitting sequence was over, Veekay was well inside the top ten again. It was weird. And he charged, getting up to fourth. He made a late move on Rasmussen, but Rasmussen held his position with some great driving. In fact, there was a ton of incredible racing passing, not passing all race long. Veekay would finish 4th. A podium would have been awesome, but it is a great outcome for a guy who hopefully will get a break with a big team. We saw what Veekay could do with a Honda last season with fuel save, imagine replacing Simpson on Ganassi and having speed to go with fuel saving. His 6th at Indy and 4th at St. Louis get him up to 13th in the points standings and only 5 points outside of the top 10.

Ericsson finished second, resigned to finishing behind the current best in the world guy on a short oval. Rasmussen got the final step on the podium, a nice rebound to what has been an otherwise bad year for him, and a good reward to ECR who just extended his contract.

Reactions: Foxbat and harshness

osu1991

Tuesday at 7:52 PM

View: https://youtu.be/YAAIvsFs5AU

Reactions: dfergie

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:09 AM

They raced USAC cars at Daytona once. Once! People died. Aj Foyt said 'f this', and left after the first go around. AJ freaking Foyt thought it was crazy! And cars weren't nearly as fast as they are now.

I think they tried Talladega once too.

Yespage

Today at 8:58 AM

LeMans qualifying on going. WEC has d9ne a great job expanding the automotive company entries. Even without Porsche, a large nunber of manufacturers.

View all replies (111)

TFLEV

Today at 7:12 AM · posted in TFLEV

How the Heck Do You Tell the NEW 2027 Rivian R2 from the R1? I Compare Both Side-By-Side!

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7CB6m89_RY

Direct YouTube Link - How the Heck Do You Tell the NEW 2027 Rivian R2 from the R1? I Compare Both Side-By-Side!

Search

Search

Social Feed

Can I use a Hopper (all 4 tuners) with OTA on same cable, and Joey?

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

DISH & Sling TV Lost Over 366,000 TV Subscribers In Just 3 Months | Cord Cutters News

Hello Computer On Phone GIF - Hello Computer Hello On Phone - Discover & Share GIFs

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

HR44 rebooted overnight?

Song Name Game Part 3!

DNS Work being done

I Went Wardriving for Meshtastic and Meshcoree Nodes!

Tapatalk Removed

SatelliteGuys Fund Raiser

SatelliteGuys Maintenance Fund Raiser

Auto Racing 2026

How the Heck Do You Tell the NEW 2027 Rivian R2 from the R1? I Compare Both Side-By-Side!