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Last reply Feb 21, 2023 · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Disney drops 2.4 million streaming subs

Looks like changes are coming to disney+
But gains 200k in US

Disney+ Drops 2.4 Million Subscribers in First Loss, Bob Iger Heralds ‘Significant Transformation’ Underway

With Bob Iger back as CEO, Disney reported quarterly earnings that beat Wall Street estimates while Disney+ lost subscribers for the first time.

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Bruce

Feb 18, 2023

SamCdbs said:
OK.

YouTube TV Is Losing Money, But Is There a Path to Profit?

Analyst Todd Juenger speculates on how OTT TV service can make more hay in a tough business

www.nexttv.com

Are you and Juan getting the links from the same source, that story was 5 years old.

SamCdbs said:
The sun will come out, tomorrow. Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya, tomorrow. You're always a day away.

And, wrong.

HBO, HBO Max and Discovery+ report a combined total of 92.1M subscribers, plans for major restructuring | TechCrunch

Warner Bros. Discovery revealed its second-quarter results -- its first quarterly earnings since the $43 billion merger. The total number of

techcrunch.com

Old link-

Discovery+ currently costs $5 per month with ads, or $7 per month without. Even at that fairly low price, it is already profitable with 20 million subscribers, the Journal reports.

Unbundling HBO Max and Discovery+ is a win for a la carte TV

Warner Bros. Discovery backtracks on killing Discovery+ after bringing its catalog to HBO Max.

www.techhive.com

SamCdbs said:
DirecTV is the fastest growing consumer product in history. But as was explained, DBS, cable, broadcast, all had/have huge debt service to cover the delivery infrastructure. Cable, dishes, boxes, satellites, etc.,

And DirecTV has lost over 50% of it's subscribers and more then $50 Billion Dollars in value.

SamCdbs said:
Streaming has none. The delivery system is paid for by the customer. It has no debt service. It has only one cost. Content.

And yet it cannot make a cent. An unprofitable business model.

2024 for most of them and again, you have forgotten about Netflix.

SamCdbs said:
Tell me where the town is where people are setting around, waiting for streaming to come there.

EVERYONE who wants streaming, has it.

Yet they gain subs every quarter, Paramount+, for example, gained 9 million in just the 4th quarter, almost as many as DirecTV has lost.

SamCdbs said:
The problem for you is, well, in this big diverse country, there are all sorts of people. People who will make DIFFERENT decisions than yours on all sorts of subjects. You are not an "early adopter" of a future universal trait. You are one person who made a decision based on what you want. Other people have different values, ideas, wants, needs, and will therefore make different decisions.

Why are you putting in a diversity lesson in a post about streaming?

SamCdbs said:
No. If Disney knew how to make money, rather than lose $6B on an annualized basis, they would do so. They don't. No one does.

And, since the market will be EXACTLY the same in 2 or 5 or 20 years, that fact will remain the same.

Streaming is nice.

It just doesnt make any money.

Again Netflix, the rest of them predicts 2024.

SamCdbs said:
I would love if Baskin-Robins decided to sell ice cream for 5 cents a quart. Unfortunatly, that is a bad business decision.

Like AT&T paying $67 Billion for a company now worth $15 Billion.

SamCdbs said:
Like getting in the streaming business is.

Seems to me all those sports you like are expanding into the streaming word, just a few years ago, no NFL was available streaming, now every game will be next season, some streaming only on Prime, Peacock and ESPN+ ( except local broadcast of course).

So the NFL thinks streaming is a good idea.

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SamCdbs

Feb 19, 2023

Bruce said:
Again Netflix, the rest of them predicts 2024.

Over 20,000 companies file for bankruptcy a year. Here's how it works.

Debtors get more time and space to address their debts, but creditors also receive strong protections.

www.businessinsider.com

Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth. (Mike Tyson)

There is nothing different about 2024 than 2023. No body is sitting around waiting for streaming to come to their town. No body is sitting around saying to the wife "honey, I just can't wait for next year, we are going to buy us some streaming."

Everyone that wants it, has it. And that is not a profit making number of people. It is really that simple. Enjoy it while it lasts, because the bubble is about to pop.

And again, no links, just tell me, EXACTLY what has to happen for this not to be true.

No one can.

Ronnie-

Feb 19, 2023

SamCdbs said:
Everyone that wants it, has it.

If that is so, how do you explain rising subscribers on most each time it's reported?

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SamCdbs

Feb 20, 2023

Ronnie- said:
If that is so, how do you explain rising subscribers on most each time it's reported?

Freebies, give aways, discounts.

The next dollar these outfits make will be dollar one.

It is not a profitable business model. Really that simple.

And, at the end of the day, the consumer is the one that loses.

ncted

Feb 20, 2023

SamCdbs said:
And, at the end of the day, the consumer is the one that loses.

Isn't that always the case? I was certainly losing when I had Dish and Directv. At least with streaming, I have a lot more control and flexibility about what I am buying, even if I might be paying a little more (which I haven't yet).

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Juan

Feb 20, 2023

ncted said:
Isn't that always the case? I was certainly losing when I had Dish and Directv. At least with streaming, I have a lot more control and flexibility about what I am buying, even if I might be paying a little more (which I haven't yet).

Do you really? Don't you really just want to pay for the shows you watch and enjoy?

ncted

Feb 20, 2023

Juan said:
Do you really? Don't you really just want to pay for the shows you watch and enjoy?

Ideally yes

, but I've run those numbers. Unless I wait until everything comes out on physical media and then goes on sale a couple months later, it is a lot more expensive. That said, YTTV, Disney+/Hulu, Paramount+, Peacock, and Netflix (HD) cost me less per month than my parents pay to Spectrum for standard service with 2 DVRs. Seems pretty consumer-friendly in comparison.

Juan

Feb 20, 2023

ncted said:
Ideally yes , but I've run those numbers. Unless I wait until everything comes out on physical media and then goes on sale a couple months later, it is a lot more expensive. That said, YTTV, Disney+/Hulu, Paramount+, Peacock, and Netflix (HD) cost me less per month than my parents pay to Spectrum for standard service with 2 DVRs. Seems pretty consumer-friendly in comparison.

For now

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Bruce

Feb 20, 2023

Juan said:
For now

Why is For Now a defense against Cord Savings?

You are correct, most are saving money For Now by dropping Traditional Providers for something better.

No one knows what the future will be like, when I left Comcast in 2003, no one thought things would be like it is today.

Only you and Sam would keep posting that saving money on TV Programming is a bad thing.

Juan

Feb 20, 2023

Bruce said:
Why is For Now a defense against Cord Savings?

You are correct, most are saving money For Now by dropping Traditional Providers for something better.

No one knows what the future will be like, when I left Comcast in 2003, no one thought things would be like it is today.

Only you and Sam would keep posting that saving money on TV Programming is a bad thing.

How do you think streamers will become profitable...only one way..raise prices and cut costs

Bruce

Feb 20, 2023

Juan said:
How do you think streamers will become profitable...only one way..raise prices and cut costs

Duh.

How are Traditional Providers and Channels going to stay profitable, raise prices and cut costs.

Except Broadcasters will keep increasing per sub channel fees, Providers will keep raising prices, subscribers will keep leaving them, with less eyes watching the channels, more and more programming will be on the streaming services then, Streaming Services then have more subscribers.

Sounds like what has been going on the last few years.

Juan

Feb 20, 2023

Bruce said:
Duh.

How are Traditional Providers and Channels going to stay profitable, raise prices and cut costs.

Except Broadcasters will keep increasing per sub channel fees, Providers will keep raising prices, subscribers will keep leaving them, with less eyes watching the channels, more and more programming will be on the streaming services then, Streaming Services then have more subscribers.

Sounds like what has been going on the last few years.

News flash...many streamers are owned by broadcasters and GASP will raise prices eventually to match cable prices

meStevo

Feb 20, 2023

Juan said:
News flash...many streamers are owned by broadcasters and GASP will raise prices eventually to match cable prices

Oh look, another Juan prediction. We know how those go.

YoutubeTV could double in price (news flash - it won't, at least not for a long, long time) and it would still be less most traditional providers would cost me, especially the satellite providers. It would have to triple to match the equivalent service from DirecTV... the fees alone are nearly a YoutubeTV sub themselves.

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ncted

Feb 21, 2023

Juan said:
For now

Yeah, sure. Streaming prices will probably increase over time. I'm going to make a controversial prediction here that cable and satellite prices will increase over time at the same rate or higher. Just a prediction though. Cable/Satellite prices could go down as well.

Bilbo1

Feb 21, 2023

Satellite's days are numbered. A fairly large number from the consumer's standpoint, but not that big in terms of corporate planning. That's why DirecTV created DirecTV Stream and Dish created Sling. They are planning to deliver their services through streaming in the future.

I can see cable companies outsourcing content to the likes of DirecTV Stream or YTTV if video subscriber counts drop low enough. It's a fairly high margin business, but it's got its headaches in the form of carriage agreements, and you still need some subscribers to make money.

The fact that most streamers are distributing their own content removes the overhead of video distribution. That high margin that the cable company get can now go direct to the studio or to the consumer.

Anyone that doesn't see streaming as the future, and a profitable one at that is missing the whole point. The road there is somewhat clouded.

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Bruce

Feb 21, 2023

Juan said:
News flash...many streamers are owned by broadcasters and GASP will raise prices eventually to match cable prices

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Tech News Weekly 441

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Home Theater Audio: JBL SCL-6 Speaker Custom Build! #shorts

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teachtom

22 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Problem when I switch from Bonus View channels back to regular Dish channels

Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply 33 minutes ago · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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TRG

Monday at 3:34 PM

Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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dfergie

Monday at 4:27 PM

TRG said:
Pork shoulder, refried beans, cheddar and chopped green chile burrito with a pint of pale ale.

Its nice being able to have a pint with lunch during the week or whenever. I've been enjoying the retired life.

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Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.

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TRG

Monday at 4:50 PM

dfergie said:
Congrats! I love retirement, no wake ups, no e-mails...
Leftovers for lunch, bacon wrapped salmon fillet from Saturday and a KFC thigh from Friday, Tea.

I've been retired since October. It was very strange at first. But I'm loving it now.

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TRG

Yesterday at 4:11 PM

Creamy flat chicken enchiladas with green chile, beans and rice.

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dfergie

48 minutes ago

Layered Spicy Dorito / chili cheese Frito pie casserole…real sugar Pepsi

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TRG

33 minutes ago

I had a very unusual but delicious 1/4lb hotdog with cream cheese, raspberry preserves and chopped Hatch green chile. It is an unlikely combination but it works.

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N5XZS

Last reply 44 minutes ago · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

New low power station with CP has been granted. "Albuquerque "

New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.

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N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets on like the Rev'n, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station. :hatsoff2

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 4:54 PM

N5XZS said:
Yeah, there are some diginets like Heartland, Retro, The Family Channel diginetworks that we already have here in this market and we don't need duplicates, but bring the new diginets like Revn, Karate Acton movies, different kind of music videos on the new station.

I watch MovieSphere Gold channel a lot. Many recent movies on that digitnet

N5XZS

Yesterday at 4:59 PM

Yes that's a good channel MovieSphere, only thing is the missing CC on it.

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comfortably_numb

Today at 1:35 AM

According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

FCC Info is a Radio and Television Station Search Engine provided by Cavell, Mertz & Associates, Inc.

www.fccinfo.com

primestar31

44 minutes ago

comfortably_numb said:
According to the FCC listing, the tower is near I-40 and Juan Tabo:

FCCInfo Results

FCC Info is a Radio and Television Station Search Engine provided by Cavell, Mertz & Associates, Inc.

www.fccinfo.com

Many of these in my DMA are on cell towers, so don't always reach very far because the towers aren't very high.

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zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:28 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Price Increase on Owned Equipment?

Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.

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zippyfrog

Today at 11:29 AM

However, when I make a change (tried to add the Columbian pack for $2 so I could generate my bill) and there is a new line - it says "Access for TV" - whereas previously that line item was not there. I hope they aren't charging $5.00 for the initial TV now...

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telstar_1

Today at 11:45 AM

Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

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zippyfrog

Today at 12:34 PM

telstar_1 said:
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees

Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:11 PM

These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:28 PM

Does cable charge box rent?

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:16 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Satellite now under 5 Million subscribers/Sling under 2 Million.

With the 1st Quarter Report just released, Dish lost another 180,000, now at 4.84 Million.

Sling now at 1.79 million subscribers, down approximately 190,000.

For comparison, YouTube TV now has about double the subscribers of Dish and Sling combined.

DISH & Sling TV Lost Over 366,000 TV Subscribers In Just 3 Months | Cord Cutters News

EchoStar Corporation, the owner of the DISH Network satellite television service and the Sling TV streaming platform, continued to experience steep declines in its pay-television customer base during the first three months of 2026. The company reported a net loss of approximately 366,000 pay-TV...

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fmj77

May 11, 2026

I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

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Bruce

May 11, 2026

fmj77 said:
I'm surprised Dish still has that many subscribers. I don't know a single person in my area that is still with them after getting either Starlink or fiber at their home. They all cancelled Dish and went with streaming. I used to get offers pretty regularly in the mail to come back to Dish, but no more. Haven't seen one in a couple of years now.

Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

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Yespage

May 18, 2026

$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

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telstar_1

Jun 2, 2026

I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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tsunami2311

Friday at 11:03 PM

Yespage said:
$25 a month for 1 gig, for two years with Spectrum. I'd be darned that their router was MUCH better than AT&T's. I didn't realize that what I thought was something else was the bloody router. Those buffering issues stopped when I swapped... after AT&T refused to lower my bill, after 25 years of high speed internet service. They wanted $80 or so a month for 1 gig, with no drop to a lower speed.

1gbit up and down here from att start out great was suppose to be $60 for life of service, with years time it went back up to $80 I complained about they gave us $49 for year which about to end, I Wonder what prices will be when it "up" I in no way like ATT fiber service there DNS that are hardcode and unchange able in the router are some WORSE DNS I ever used. you know how much of pain it is to change DNS setting on EVERY single wireless device...

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mwdxer1

Saturday at 3:08 AM

Bruce said:
Only about 3.6% of Households in the United States, still have Dish Network.

For comparison, YouTube TV has about 10%.

I dropped Dish a couple years back after having them for 25 years. The pricing got higher and after we got high speed internet, I watched it less and less. It got to the point all I watched was TCM for classic movies. Many of them are on You Tube now and a Premium subscription is $14 a month. A far cry of the $100 a month was paying with AT180, Supers, and locals. I get locals OTA anyway. I took down the dish several months ago and tossed it. I owned all my my equipment, so nothing to return. Do I miss a traditional cable type service? No way. If I want one I have all of the free live streaming with Roku, the Fire Stick, as well as Google TV. Right now as I type this, I am watching episodes of "The Midnight Special" from 1976 on You Tube, ad free. Dish was fine for many years. I do not regret buying the equipment and installing it myself (No installers in 1999). I enjoyed Dish for many years. My thoughts, Dish & Direct will be forced to merge in time, or they both will be gone. Even cable companies are getting out of TV. Some are only selling the internet and phone packages.

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tanman

Sunday at 12:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
I despise that most of all. I'm going to talk to a remote?

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nelson61

Monday at 8:20 PM

A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:16 PM

nelson61 said:
A lot of it flows back to the 4 big networks.
Cable and satellite are their money tree.

But, in reality, each market need 1 or perhaps 2 news feeds - not 4 or more

In my area we get 2 news feeds spread over 4 local stations.
ABC/NBC (TEGNA)
Same news cast simulcast over both channels.

CBS/Fox (Sinclair)
Same news casters at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm.
Fox shows an hour at 9pm but same news casters.

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lordodogg

Last reply Today at 12:54 PM · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

HR44 rebooted overnight?

Hello again, haven't posted here in a while.

This morning, around 6:30am, I woke up and found the front panel lights on my HR44 on (I leave it off all the time as it is co-located with one of my Geminis).

Immediately thinking that either a reboot or power outage occurred, I checked the software version, and found that it's still the same release that was sent out last month.

I then ruled out a power outage by checking the clocks on my appliances and seeing that they're still correct (they reset when there's an outage, somewhat similar to the "blinking 12" on VCRs).

I then confirmed a reboot by checking the Upcoming Recordings (fka To-Do List) and seeing that the number was much lower than before (it always resets after a reboot).

I am definitely guessing what happened (and it may very well be actually what happened) is that the "Reset Required" prompt may have come up sometime overnight, and it eventually timed out and rebooted automatically. IIRC that prompt comes up when new software "plugins" have to be installed.

Would like to hear your thoughts, especially since I probably haven't talked to some of you reading this in a while (was a former CE member, left almost a year ago).

Thank you all in advance!

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Tom Speer

May 20, 2026

My HR54 blue light is on this morning. I think you ae right about the plugins. They are tweaking things in the customer National release. What version does your HR44 Genie have now? I think you are probably on the same varsion as the CE group today.

lordodogg

May 20, 2026

I believe mine says 0x1D7F

Tom Speer

May 20, 2026

That is what I have.

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lordodogg

Today at 12:54 PM

Happened again today & have new software, 0x1d88

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