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News Release Issued: Sep 30, 2024 (5:05am MDT)

To view this release online and get more information about DISH News Alerts visit: EchoStar Corporation Announces Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations to exchange 5.25% Senior Secured Notes due 2026, 5.75% Senior Secured Notes due 2028, 7.75% Senior Notes due 2026, 7.375% Senior Notes due 2028, and 5.125% Senior Notes due 2029 Issued by DISH DBS Corporation for New DBS Notes (as defined herein) issued by DISH DBS Corporation

EchoStar Corporation Announces Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations to exchange 5.25% Senior Secured Notes due 2026, 5.75% Senior Secured Notes due 2028, 7.75% Senior Notes due 2026, 7.375% Senior Notes due 2028, and 5.125% Senior Notes due 2029 Issued by DISH DBS Corporation for New DBS Notes (as defined herein) issued by DISH DBS Corporation

Subject to the Satisfaction of the Terms and Conditions Described in the Exchange Offering Memorandum, the New DBS Notes Will Be Mandatorily Exchanged for New Secured Notes Issued by DTV Issuer (as defined herein) immediately prior to the consummation of the Acquisition Transaction (as defined below)

ENGLEWOOD, Colo., Sept. 30, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- EchoStar Corporation (Nasdaq: SATS) ("EchoStar"), today announced that DISH DBS Corporation ("DBS") has commenced offers to exchange (the "Exchange Offers") any and all of its (a) 5.25% Senior Secured Notes due 2026 (the "Outstanding 2026 DBS Secured Notes") for an equal principal amount of its new 5.25% First Lien Notes due 2026 (the "New 2026 DBS First Lien Notes"), (b) 5.75% Senior Secured Notes due 2028 (the "Outstanding 2028 DBS Secured Notes") for an equal principal amount of its new 5.75% First Lien Notes due 2028 (the "New 2028 DBS First Lien Notes"), (c) 7.75% Senior Notes due 2026 (the "Outstanding 2026 DBS Notes") for an equal principal amount of its new 7.75% Second Lien Notes due 2026 (the "New 2026 DBS Second Lien Notes"), (d) 7.375% Senior Notes due 2028 (the "Outstanding 2028 DBS Notes") for an equal principal amount of its new 7.375% Second Lien Notes due 2028 (the "New 2028 DBS Second Lien Notes") and (e) 5.125% Senior Notes due 2029 (the "Outstanding 2029 DBS Notes" and, together with the Outstanding 2026 DBS Secured Notes, the Outstanding 2028 DBS Secured Notes, the Outstanding 2026 DBS Notes and the Outstanding 2028 DBS Notes, the "Outstanding Notes") for an equal principal amount of its new 5.125% Second Lien Notes due 2029 (the "New 2029 DBS Second Lien Notes" and, together with the New 2026 DBS First Lien Notes, the New 2028 DBS First Lien Notes, the New 2026 DBS Second Lien Notes and the New 2028 DBS Second Lien Notes, the "New DBS Notes"), in each case, pursuant to the terms described in a confidential exchange offering memorandum and consent solicitation statement, dated September 30, 2024 (the "Exchange Offering Memorandum"). The Exchange Offers are being made only to Eligible Holders (as defined herein) of Outstanding Notes.

EchoStar (PRNewsfoto/EchoStar Corporation)

The New DBS Notes will be issued with substantially the same terms as the corresponding series of Outstanding Notes, including maturity, interest rate, interest payment dates and covenants, except for certain changes, including to facilitate the acquisition of the DISH Pay-TV Business by DIRECTV Holdings LLC, pursuant to an Equity Purchase Agreement (the "Purchase Agreement") between DIRECTV Holdings LLC ("Purchaser") and EchoStar (the "Acquisition Transaction"), as further described in the Exchange Offering Memorandum, in each case, upon the terms and subject to the conditions set forth in the Exchange Offering Memorandum.

The New 2026 DBS First Lien Notes and the New 2028 DBS First Lien Notes (collectively, the "New DBS First Lien Notes") will be (i) senior secured obligations of DBS and (ii) guaranteed by DBS' subsidiaries that are guarantors of the Outstanding Notes immediately prior to the Settlement Date, comprising certain of DBS' principal operating subsidiaries (the "New DBS Guarantors") on a senior secured basis (collectively, the "New DBS First Lien Notes Guarantees"). The New DBS First Lien Notes and New DBS First Lien Notes Guarantees will be secured by first-priority liens on substantially all existing and future tangible and intangible assets of DBS and the New DBS Guarantors, including a pledge of equity of DISH DBS Issuer LLC ("SubscriberCo") by DISH Network L.L.C. (the "Equity Pledge"), subject to certain excluded assets (including the Intercompany Loan (as defined herein)) and permitted liens.

The New 2026 DBS Second Lien Notes, the New 2028 DBS Second Lien Notes and the New 2029 DBS Second Lien Notes (collectively, the "New DBS Second Lien Notes") will be (i) senior secured obligations of DBS, (ii) guaranteed by the New DBS Guarantors on a senior secured basis (collectively, the "New DBS Second Lien Notes Guarantees"). The New DBS Second Lien Notes and New DBS Second Lien Notes Guarantees will be secured by second-priority liens on substantially all existing and future tangible and intangible assets of DBS and the New DBS Guarantors, including the Equity Pledge, subject to certain excluded assets (including the Intercompany Loan (as defined herein)) and permitted liens.

The New DBS Notes will accrue interest from, and including, the last interest payment date for the corresponding series of Outstanding Notes. Therefore, there will be no payment of accrued and unpaid interest on the Settlement Date of the Exchange Offers.

In connection with their participation in the applicable Exchange Offer and subject to the Acquisition Consent Threshold Condition (as defined below), each holder of New DBS Notes agrees in advance without further action on its part that each series of New DBS Notes will permit DBS, without the consent of the holders, to amend the indentures governing the New DBS Notes, following receipt of regulatory approval of the Acquisition Transaction, to provide that (a) if the Acquisition Transaction is or will be consummated on or prior to December 29, 2025 or any further date to which the then current Outside Date is extended pursuant to the Purchase Agreement (the "Outside Date") and publicly announced promptly thereafter, then immediately prior to the consummation of the Acquisition Transaction, such New DBS Notes will be acquired by Purchaser, an affiliate of the DTV Issuer, in a mandatory exchange, at the applicable exchange rate described in the table below, with no further action by the holder of the New DBS Notes, for the applicable series of New DTV Issuer Notes set forth in the table below (the "New DTV Issuer Notes", and together with the New DBS Notes, the "New Notes"), in each case to be issued by DIRECTV Financing, LLC and DIRECTV Financing Co-Obligor, Inc. (together with DIRECTV Financing, LLC, the "DTV Issuer") with the terms set forth in the form of New DTV Issuer Notes Indentures included in the Exchange Offering Memorandum (each a "Mandatory Acquisition/Exchange" and collectively, the "Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges", and the reduction in the principal amount of New DBS Notes resulting from the Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges is herein referred to as the "Principal Reduction"), or (b) if the Acquisition Transaction is not or will not be consummated on or prior to the Outside Date, then such New DBS Notes will remain outstanding as a separate series not fungible with the Outstanding Notes not validly tendered or otherwise accepted as part of the Exchange Offers, each on the terms and subject to the conditions as set forth in the Exchange Offering Memorandum. Any Outstanding Notes that are not validly tendered or are validly tendered and subsequently validly withdrawn in the Exchange Offers will not participate in the Exchange Offers or, if applicable, the Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges. There are risks associated with not participating in the Exchange Offers.

In addition to the applicable New DTV Issuer Notes, holders of the New DBS Notes will receive a cash payment in respect of accrued interest, if any, on their New DBS Notes on the date of the settlement of the Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges for the period since the last interest payment date in respect of the relevant series of New DBS Notes through but excluding the settlement date of the Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges; and interest on the New DTV Issuer Notes will begin to accrue from and including the issue date of the New DTV Issuer Notes.

The following table describes certain terms of the exchange offers:

Outstanding Notes
Exchange Consideration - New DBS Notes
Mandatory Exchange Consideration – New DTV Issuer Notes
For each $1,000 Principal Amount of the Relevant Series of Outstanding Notes
CUSIP(1)
ISIN(1)
Outstanding Aggregate Principal Amount
Principal Amount and Applicable Series of New DBS Notes to be Issued
Principal Amount and Applicable Series of New DTV Issuer Notes to be Issued in the Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges
5.25% Senior Secured Notes due 2026 ("Outstanding 2026 DBS Secured Notes")
25470XBE4 /
U25486AQ1
US25470XBE40 /
USU25486AQ11
$2,750,000,000
$1,000 principal amount of 5.25% First Lien Notes due 2026
("New 2026 DBS First Lien Notes")
$930 principal amount of new 8.875% Senior Secured Notes due 2028 (the "New 2028 DTV Issuer Secured Notes")
5.75% Senior Secured Notes due 2028 ("Outstanding 2028 DBS Secured Notes")
25470XBF1 /
U25486AR9
US25470XBF15 /
USU25486AR93
$2,500,000,000
$1,000 principal amount of 5.75% First Lien Notes due 2028
("New 2028 DBS First Lien Notes")
$870 principal amount of new 8.875% Senior Secured Notes due 2031 (the "New 2031-Series A DTV Issuer Secured Notes")
7.75% Senior Notes due 2026
("Outstanding 2026 DBS Notes")
25470XAY1 /
U25486AM0 /
25470XAX3
US25470XAX30 /
USU25486AM07 /
US25470XAY13
$2,000,000,000
$1,000 principal amount of 7.75% Second Lien Notes due 2026
("New 2026 DBS Second Lien Notes")
$790 principal amount of new 8.875% Senior Secured Notes due 2029 (the "New 2029 DTV Issuer Secured Notes")
7.375% Senior Notes due 2028
("Outstanding 2028 DBS Notes")
25470XBB0 /
U25486AN8 /
25470XAZ8
US25470XAZ87 /
USU25486AN89 /
US25470XBB01
$1,000,000,000
$1,000 principal amount of 7.375% Second Lien Notes due 2028
("New 2028 DBS Second Lien Notes")
$680 principal amount of new 8.875% Senior Secured Notes due 2031 (the "New 2031-Series B DTV Issuer Secured Notes")
5.125% Senior Notes due 2029
("Outstanding 2029 DBS Notes")
25470XBD6 /
U25486AP3 /
25470XBC8
US25470XBC83 /
USU25486AP38 /
US25470XBD66
$1,500,000,000
$1,000 principal amount of 5.125% Second Lien Notes due 2029
("New 2029 DBS Second Lien Notes")
$600 principal amount of new 8.875% Senior Secured Notes due 2032 (the "New 2032 DTV Issuer Secured Notes")

(1) No representation is made as to the correctness or accuracy of the CUSIP numbers or ISINs listed herein or printed on the Outstanding Notes. They are provided solely for convenience.
Concurrently with the Exchange Offers, DBS is soliciting, on the terms and subject to the conditions set forth in the Exchange Offering Memorandum, consents from Eligible Holders of Outstanding Notes to certain proposed amendments (the "Proposed Amendments") to the indentures, dated as of June 13, 2016, July 1, 2020, May 24, 2021 and November 26, 2021 with respect to the Outstanding Notes (as amended, supplemented or otherwise modified to the date of the Exchange Offering Memorandum, collectively, the "Outstanding Notes Indentures"), by and among DBS, the guarantors party thereto from time to time and U.S. Bank Trust Company, National Association (as successor in interest to U.S. Bank, National Association), as trustee. Each Eligible Holder of the Outstanding Notes who validly consents to the applicable Proposed Amendments by tendering Outstanding Notes and delivering a consent at or before the Expiration Time (as defined herein) will be eligible to receive the exchange consideration described in the table above and, if, on or prior to the Outside Date, the Acquisition Transaction is, or will be, consummated, then concurrently with the date of the settlement of the Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges, the mandatory exchange consideration described above.

The Proposed Amendments will, among other things (i) eliminate substantially all of the covenants and certain events of defaults and related provisions contained in the Outstanding Notes Indentures and the Outstanding Notes, (ii) allow, in the case of the Outstanding 2026 DBS Secured Notes and Outstanding 2028 DBS Secured Notes, for certain amendments to that certain Loan and Security Agreement, dated as of November 26, 2021, between DISH Network Corporation and DBS (the "Intercompany Loan") to provide that the consent rights thereunder would accrue only to the benefit of the holders of the New 2026 DBS First Lien Notes and New 2028 DBS First Lien Notes, (iii) release all guarantees on the Outstanding Notes, (iv) release all of the collateral securing the Outstanding 2026 DBS Secured Notes and Outstanding 2028 DBS Secured Notes and (v) permit any required reorganization or restructuring, corporate or other conversion, merger or consolidation of any subsidiaries, transfers of equity interests, and any other action necessary, in each case in connection with the reorganization and restructuring plans included as exhibits to the Purchase Agreement, as the same may be amended, supplemented, amended and restated, or otherwise modified from time to time in accordance with the terms thereof. The Proposed Amendments to each Outstanding Notes Indenture require the consents of holders of at least 66 2/3% in principal amount of such series of Outstanding Notes (excluding any Outstanding Notes held by DBS or any of its affiliates) (the "Requisite Consents"). The Proposed Amendments will be set forth in supplemental indentures to the Outstanding Notes Indentures, which with respect to each series of Outstanding Notes will be executed and delivered promptly after the Expiration Time if DBS has received the Requisite Consents thereto as of the Expiration Time and the related Outstanding Notes are accepted for exchange pursuant to the Exchange Offers.

The Exchange Offers and related consent solicitations described in the Exchange Offering Memorandum (the "Consent Solicitations") will expire at 5:00 p.m., New York City time on October 29, 2024, or any other time to which DBS extends such Exchange Offer and Consent Solicitation in its sole discretion, subject to the terms of the Purchase Agreement (such time and date, as the same may be extended, the "Expiration Time"), unless earlier terminated. To be eligible to receive the applicable exchange consideration in the applicable Exchange Offer and Consent Solicitation, holders must validly tender and not validly withdraw their Outstanding Notes and validly deliver and not revoke their consents prior to the Expiration Time. Tenders of Outstanding Notes may be withdrawn and consents may be revoked prior to 5:00 p.m., New York City time on the date that the Minimum Series Exchange Condition (as defined below) with respect to the applicable series is satisfied, but not thereafter, subject to limited exceptions, unless such time is extended by DBS at its sole discretion (such time and date, as the same may be extended, the "Withdrawal Deadline"). Any Outstanding Notes withdrawn pursuant to the terms of the applicable Exchange Offer and Consent Solicitation shall not thereafter be considered tendered for any purpose unless and until such Outstanding Notes are again tendered pursuant to the applicable Exchange Offer and Consent Solicitation. Outstanding Notes not exchanged in the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations will be returned to the tendering holder at DBS's expense promptly after the expiration or termination of the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations.

The relevant Exchange Offer for each series of Outstanding Notes is conditioned upon the valid tenders for exchange being received from Eligible Holders of such series of Outstanding Notes and accepted in the relevant Exchange Offer of at least 66 2/3% in aggregate principal amount of the Outstanding Notes of such series currently outstanding, excluding any such Outstanding Notes held by DBS or any of its affiliates (the "Minimum Series Exchange Condition"). In addition, the inclusion in the New DBS Notes Indentures of the Mandatory Acquisition/Exchanges feature, is conditioned upon (i) the satisfaction or waiver of the conditions described herein, including the Minimum Series Exchange Condition, with respect to all series of the Outstanding Notes and (ii) the valid tenders for exchange being received and accepted from Eligible Holders of the Outstanding Notes as would result in a Discount Amount of at least $1.568 billion ((i) and (ii) together, the "Acquisition Consent Threshold Condition"). The "Discount Amount" shall mean the aggregate amount of Principal Reduction that would be applicable to the New DBS Notes (aggregated among all such New DBS Notes) that would be issued on the Settlement Date.

A Consent Solicitation with respect to a series of Outstanding Notes will be terminated if the Requisite Consents for such series are not obtained by the Expiration Time and, in such case, the applicable Proposed Amendments for such series of Outstanding Notes will not become effective. If an Exchange Offer or the related Consent Solicitation with respect to a series of Outstanding Notes is terminated or withdrawn, the existing indenture governing such series of Outstanding Notes will remain in effect in its present form with respect to such series of Outstanding Notes.

If the Requisite Consents to the applicable Proposed Amendments are received and not revoked with respect to a series of Outstanding Notes, DBS and the trustee under the indenture governing such series of Outstanding Notes are expected to execute a supplemental indenture to such indenture providing for the Proposed Amendments (with respect to any such series of Outstanding Notes, a "Supplemental Indenture"), promptly after the Expiration Time. The Supplemental Indenture will effect the Proposed Amendments only with respect to such series of Outstanding Notes for which the applicable Requisite Consents were received and not revoked. The adoption of the Proposed Amendments with respect to any series of Outstanding Notes is not conditioned upon the consummation of any other Consent Solicitation or adoption of the Proposed Amendments in respect of any other series of Outstanding Notes or obtaining any Requisite Consent with respect to any other series of Outstanding Notes. The failure to obtain the Requisite Consents with respect to any series of Outstanding Notes will not affect the ability of DBS to enter into the Supplemental Indenture and cause the Proposed Amendments to become effective for any other series of Outstanding Notes. If an Exchange Offer or the related Consent Solicitation with respect to a series of Outstanding Notes is terminated or withdrawn, the indenture governing such series of Outstanding Notes will remain in effect in its present form with respect to such series of Outstanding Notes. However, if the Proposed Amendments for a series of Outstanding Notes become operative, holders of such series of Outstanding Notes who do not tender Outstanding Notes will be bound by the applicable Proposed Amendments, meaning that their Outstanding Notes will be governed by an indenture as amended by the applicable Supplemental Indenture.

Each of the Exchange Offers is a separate offer and/or solicitation, and each may be individually amended, extended, terminated or withdrawn, subject to certain conditions and applicable law, at any time in DBS's sole discretion, and without amending, extending, terminating or withdrawing any other Exchange Offer. Additionally, notwithstanding any other provision of the Exchange Offers, DBS's obligations to accept and exchange any of the Outstanding Notes validly tendered pursuant to an Exchange Offer is subject, among other things, to the satisfaction or waiver of certain conditions, as described in the Exchange Offering Memorandum, and DBS expressly reserves its right, subject to applicable law, to terminate any Exchange Offer at any time.

The Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations are being made, and the applicable series of New Notes are being offered, only to holders of the Outstanding Notes who are either (a) persons who are reasonably believed to be "qualified institutional buyers" as defined in Rule 144A under the U.S. Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Securities Act"), or (b) persons other than "U.S. persons" as defined in Regulation S under the Securities Act and who are otherwise in compliance with the requirements of Regulation S; provided that, in each case, if the holder is in the European Economic Area or the United Kingdom, such holder is a qualified investor and is not a retail investor. With respect to holders in the European Economic Area, a "retail investor" means a person who is one (or more) of: (i) a "retail client" as defined in point (11) of Article 4(1) of Directive 2014/65/EU (as amended, "MiFID II"); or (ii) a "customer" within the meaning of Directive (EU) 2016/97, where that customer would not qualify as a professional client as defined in point (10) of Article 4(1) of MiFID II; or (iii) not a "qualified investor" as defined in Regulation (EU) 2017/1129. The holders of Outstanding Notes who have certified to DBS that they are eligible to participate in the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations pursuant to at least one of the foregoing conditions are referred to as "Eligible Holders." Eligible Holders may go to Kroll Issuer Services to confirm their eligibility.

Full details of the terms and conditions of the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations are described in the Exchange Offering Memorandum. The Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations are only being made pursuant to, and the information in this press release is qualified in its entirety by reference to, the Exchange Offering Memorandum, which is being sent by DBS to Eligible Holders of the Outstanding Notes. Eligible Holders of the Outstanding Notes are encouraged to read these documents, as they contain important information regarding the Exchange Offers and the Consent Solicitations.

None of EchoStar, DBS, DTV Issuer, any of their respective subsidiaries or affiliates, or any of their respective officers, boards of directors or directors, the dealer managers, the solicitation agent, the exchange agent and information agent or any trustee is making any recommendation as to whether Eligible Holders should tender any Outstanding Notes in response to the Exchange Offers or deliver any consents pursuant to the Consent Solicitations and no one has been authorized by any of them to make such a recommendation. Eligible Holders must make their own decision as to whether to tender their Outstanding Notes and deliver consents, and, if so, the principal amount of Outstanding Notes as to which action is to be taken.

The Exchange Offers and the Consent Solicitations are not being made to Eligible Holders of Outstanding Notes in any jurisdiction in which the making or acceptance thereof would not be in compliance with the securities, blue sky or other laws of such jurisdiction.

The New Notes have not been and will not be registered under the Securities Act or any state securities laws and may not be offered or sold in the United States, except pursuant to an exemption from, or in a transaction not subject to, the registration requirements of the Securities Act and applicable state securities laws. The New Notes have not been and will not be qualified for sale to the public by prospectus under applicable Canadian securities laws and, accordingly, any issuance of New Notes in Canada will be made on a basis which is exempt from the prospectus requirements of such securities laws.

PJT Partners LP and Barclays Capital Inc. are acting as dealer managers for the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations. Kroll Issuer Services Limited is acting as exchange agent and information agent for the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations.

This press release does not constitute an offer to sell or exchange or the solicitation of an offer to buy or exchange any securities and is also not a solicitation of the related consents, nor shall there be any exchange of the New Notes for Outstanding Notes pursuant to the Exchange Offers in any jurisdiction in which such exchanges would be unlawful prior to registration or qualification under the laws of such jurisdiction.

About EchoStar Corporation

EchoStar Corporation (Nasdaq: SATS) is a premier provider of technology, networking services, television entertainment and connectivity, offering consumer, enterprise, operator, and government solutions worldwide under its EchoStar[emoji768], Boost Mobile[emoji768], Sling TV, DISH TV, Hughes[emoji768], HughesNet[emoji768], HughesON[emoji769] and JUPITER[emoji769] brands. In Europe, EchoStar operates under its EchoStar Mobile Limited subsidiary and in Australia, the company operates as EchoStar Global Australia. For more information, visit www.echostar.com and follow EchoStar on X (Twitter) and LinkedIn.

[emoji767]2024 EchoStar. Hughes, HughesNet, DISH and Boost Mobile are registered trademarks of one or more affiliate companies of EchoStar Corp.

Where You Can Find Additional Information

As noted above, further details regarding the terms and conditions of the Offers can be found in the Exchange Offering Memorandum. ANY ELIGIBLE HOLDER HOLDING OUTSTANDING NOTES IS URGED TO READ THE EXCHANGE OFFERING MEMORANDUM THAT HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM BECAUSE THEY CONTAIN IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT DBS, THE ACQUISITION TRANSACTION AND THE EXCHANGE OFFER.

For additional information regarding the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitation, please contact: (i) PJT Partners LP at DISHDBS_Exchange@pjtpartners.com or (212) 364-7117 or (ii) Barclays Capital Inc. at us.lm@barclays.com or (800) 438-3242 (toll-free) or (212) 528-7581 (collect). Requests from Eligible Holders for the Exchange Offering Memorandum and other documents relating to the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations may be directed to Kroll Issuer Services Limited, the exchange agent and information agent for the Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations, by sending an email to DISHDBS@is.kroll.com or by calling (855) 388-4578 (U.S. toll-free) or (646) 937-7769 (International). Eligible Holders will be required to confirm their eligibility prior to receiving the Exchange Offering Memorandum and other documents relating to the exchange offers and consent solicitations. Holders can certify eligibility on the eligibility website at: Kroll Issuer Services.

Forward-looking Statements

This document contains "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, Section 27A of the Securities Act, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, including, in particular, statements about plans, objectives and strategies, growth opportunities in our industries and businesses, our expectations regarding future results, financial condition, liquidity and capital requirements, estimates regarding the impact of regulatory developments and legal proceedings, and other trends and projections. Forward-looking statements are not historical facts and may be identified by words such as "future," "anticipate," "intend," "plan," "goal," "seek," "believe," "estimate," "expect," "predict," "will," "would," "could," "can," "may," and similar terms. These forward-looking statements are based on information available to us as of the date hereof and represent management's current views and assumptions. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance, events or results and involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, which may be beyond our control. Accordingly, actual performance, events or results could differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements due to a number of factors. Additional information concerning these risk factors is contained in each of EchoStar's, DISH Network Corporation's and DBS's most recently filed Annual Report on Form 10-K and subsequent Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q, and in EchoStar's and DBS's subsequent Current Reports on Form 8-K, and other Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC") filings, which are accessible on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. All cautionary statements made or referred to herein should be read as being applicable to all forward-looking statements wherever they appear. You should consider the risks and uncertainties described or referred to herein and should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements. The forward-looking statements speak only as of the date made. We do not undertake, and specifically disclaim, any obligation to publicly release the results of any revisions that may be made to any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Should one or more of the risks or uncertainties described herein or in any documents we file with the SEC occur, or should underlying assumptions prove incorrect, our actual results and plans could differ materially from those expressed in any forward-looking statements.



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Whoops thats not the interview.
A good deal of useful info though.
article said:
As part of the two-step transaction, DirecTV will pay $1 to buy the pay-TV business called Dish DBS that includes Dish and Sling TV, while agreeing to assume about $9.75 billion of Dish's debt, the companies said in a statement. Dish and DirecTV are launching an exchange offer at a discounted rate for the debt to help extend the maturities.

For the deal to go through, Dish DBS debtholders will have to agree to take a haircut on the debt by about $1.57 billion. With the exchange offer, Dish is attempting to convince its bondholders to become holders in the merged entity.

The deal will provide a crucial lifeline to EchoStar, which was co-founded by telecommunications entrepreneur Charlie Ergen and is currently saddled with more than $20 billion in debt. EchoStar will receive $2.5 billion of financing from buyout firm TPG's credit unit Angelo Gordon and DirecTV to help pay off Dish's $2 billion bond that is due in November.

EchoStar said the deal will help cut its total consolidated debt by $11.7 billion and reduce its refinancing needs through 2026 by $6.7 billion.
They cut their debt in half, but if I read things correctly, their revenue by 75%. Their retail wireless is in the billions, and that needs to grow, fast.

What is interesting is their deployment costs are about the same as the wireless revenue. If they can just turn on that spigot, Boost can work.
HipKat
A good deal of useful info though.
They cut their debt in half, but if I read things correctly, their revenue by 75%. Their retail wireless is in the billions, and that needs to grow, fast.

What is interesting is their deployment costs are about the same as the wireless revenue. If they can just turn on that spigot, Boost can work.
Once the word gets out that Boost prepaid for $25, unlimited text and talk with, I think, #)BD of data working off AT&T, T-Mobile Towers and Dish 5G towers gets out, it should grow., they need to start marketing it along with a year of free service if you buy a new phone - and they have a full selection of phones now
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Once the word gets out that Boost prepaid for $25, unlimited text and talk with, I think, #)BD of data working off AT&T, T-Mobile Towers and Dish 5G towers gets out, it should grow., they need to start marketing it along with a year of free service if you buy a new phone - and they have a full selection of phones now
It looks like AT&T is already offering $25 a month (if you pay for the year in advance). $25 a month is still better than that. But they need to market it... like well. I've never been a fan of Dish's marketing.
HipKat
It looks like AT&T is already offering $25 a month (if you pay for the year in advance). $25 a month is still better than that. But they need to market it... like well. I've never been a fan of Dish's marketing.
Dish has built-in marketing. Every tech is offering Boost sign-ups nationwide and selling the hell out of them in many cases.
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The DTV CEO said the merger would allow them to offer cheaper packages and I think he said that customers don't want to subscribe to hundreds of channels that they don't watch.
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The DTV CEO said the merger would allow them to offer cheaper packages and I think he said that customers don't want to subscribe to hundreds of channels that they don't watch.
and just how possible is that with dtv taking on all of dishes debt plus there own:shh that math isn't mathin!!! i have always said be prepaired for the rate hikes and more people leaving in droves becasuse of the price!!! i heard new skinny packages will be out the first of the year. all speculation right now. i won't belive it until i see it. and then again here we go with the price hikes!!!
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harshness
and just how possible is that with dtv taking on all of dishes debt plus there own:shh that math isn't mathin!!!
Neither organization is hemorrhaging money but DIRECTV seems to be hemorrhaging customers so DISH is perhaps the best way to stem that outgoing tide.
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Former member 208119
Neither organization is hemorrhaging money but DIRECTV seems to be hemorrhaging customers so DISH is perhaps the best way to stem that outgoing tide.
i see
This may be the biggest load of vaporware since the Apple television (or the Apple car or the Apple glasses or...).
so don't count on it then!!! if it does happen it would be interesting to see how they market it bundles and so on
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if it does happen it would be interesting to see how they market it bundles and so on
I don't think Amazon does discount bundles. It appears that their add-on streaming products are offered at MSRP.

IIRC, Amazon currently offers Earthlink at MSRP.
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Dish has built-in marketing. Every tech is offering Boost sign-ups nationwide and selling the hell out of them in many cases.
Shopped and switched today. Boost advertises $25, but it's deceptive- you have to buy 4 lines, so really $100! Very Charlie.

Was on Twigby at $20, with tax etc. >$25, but they do nothing outside US, and I want Canada and probably overseas for next year. I landed on Mint at $15 with unlimited talk/text and 5g of data. Use throughout NA; if you go into Canada you load up data just to use there for no charge...in'tl free text and shows very low roaming rates. I looked at how much data I've used with Twigby and it's usually under 1g on their 4g allowance, so I should be fine with Mint's 5g. I don't do video or data-intensive apps on mobile. E-sim activation, have SE 2nd gen
strikes2k
Shopped and switched today. Boost advertises $25, but it's deceptive- you have to buy 4 lines, so really $100! Very Charlie.

Are you sure about the 4 line requirement? Their website makes no mention of it:

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Are you sure about the 4 line requirement? Their website makes no mention of it:

Exactly, makes no mention of it. But when you go to pick the deal with 1 line, it's like 40. The $25 is per-line for a "family plan" with 4 phones. I should turn ol' chucky in for deceptive advertising...but anyways the Mint deal's cheaper even than Boost's lying price, just $15, plus full NA coverage, plus 5 gig of data which should easily cover. I have no idea about speed but don't need 5G. I will obviously have to use it & see about signals reliability...

The carriers have always discounted for add'l lines, but there are several low-costers in market now in the $20 range for 1 phone.
b4pjoe
but anyways the Mint deal's cheaper even than Boost's lying price, just $15, plus full NA coverage, plus 5 gig of data which should easily cover.
That $15 per month price with Mint is just for 3 months. It goes up to $25 per month after that.

I use the AT&T prepaid plan for $25 per month. It says Unlimited data but it is then say "After 16GB, speeds slowed to max 1.5Mbps for the month." so basically it is 16 GB per month with a monthly rollover of 16 GB allowed. I don't use much data so I usually have about 32 GB available every month. And of course it is prepaid so you pay $300 up front for 12 months.. works for my needs.

My wife tried Mint for a short time but we live in a rural area in Illinois and she had issues with dead spots in our area so we both use the AT&T prepaid plan.
Former member 208119
That $15 per month price with Mint is just for 3 months. It goes up to $25 per month after that.

I use the AT&T prepaid plan for $25 per month. It says Unlimited data but it is then say "After 16GB, speeds slowed to max 1.5Mbps for the month." so basically it is 16 GB per month with a monthly rollover of 16 GB allowed. I don't use much data so I usually have about 32 GB available every month. And of course it is prepaid so you pay $300 up front for 12 months.. works for my needs.

My wife tried Mint for a short time but we live in a rural area in Illinois and she had issues with dead spots in our area so we both use the AT&T prepaid plan.
is that the ATT plan where you pay up for a year and it's like 300-400 bucks a one time deal for the year? and it's done all online.
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is that the ATT plan where you pay up for a year and it's like 300-400 bucks a one time deal for the year? and it's done all online.
Yes $300 once a year. $300 / 12 = $25.
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Yes $300 once a year. $300 / 12 = $25.
ok that's what i thought. looking to take some people off my acct and put them on there own acct and that's what i was thinking of doing. though i don't think they would like it if there data slowed down!!!
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That $15 per month price with Mint is just for 3 months. It goes up to $25 per month after that.

I use the AT&T prepaid plan for $25 per month. It says Unlimited data but it is then say "After 16GB, speeds slowed to max 1.5Mbps for the month." so basically it is 16 GB per month with a monthly rollover of 16 GB allowed. I don't use much data so I usually have about 32 GB available every month. And of course it is prepaid so you pay $300 up front for 12 months.. works for my needs.

My wife tried Mint for a short time but we live in a rural area in Illinois and she had issues with dead spots in our area so we both use the AT&T prepaid plan.
I saw where (mint) if you did the 3 mo. for $15 it then goes up, but...if you pay 12 mo. it works out to stay $15. I paid $180 for a year and afaik I can re-sub the same when that is up. I remember when you could pay per year on DiSH for savings but then they 86'd it because crooks were buying and activating a year's service for victims and telling them it's lifetime service, and by time the year was up they'd be gone.
This article says the $25/month plan applies to a single line:



If this is the case then they have a very bad website as far as for prospecting. I would have called a ph# or even chatted but there were neither. I'll believe it when see a screenshot
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ok that's what i thought. looking to take some people off my acct and put them on there own acct and that's what i was thinking of doing. though i don't think they would like it if there data slowed down!!!
It doesn't slow down until you have used up 16 GB which is quite a bit but yeah some do you use that and much more.
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If this is the case then they have a very bad website as far as for prospecting. I would have called a ph# or even chatted but there were neither. I'll believe it when see a screenshot
If I go through the checkout process up to the point of "Join Now" it shows that one line is $25. And 50% off of that for the first month.
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I don't think Amazon does discount bundles. It appears that their add-on streaming products are offered at MSRP.

IIRC, Amazon currently offers Earthlink at MSRP.
Amazon does offer discounts on the streaming add-ons from time to time. There will be plenty of offers during their Black Friday sales.
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I don't think Amazon does discount bundles. It appears that their add-on streaming products are offered at MSRP.

IIRC, Amazon currently offers Earthlink at MSRP.
Amazon does offer discounts on the streaming add-ons from time to time. There will be plenty of offers during their Black Friday sales.
Amazon has many sales during the year also, for example, a few months ago, AMC+ commercial free at $2.99 per month for 3 month, signed up, canceled after I had caught up on the very few series I watch on there.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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TAKE IT As It Comes-The Doors
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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

Take
Me to the River - Talking Heads
dishstaller
Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Bobby
I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
meStevo
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2111074303185989663?s=20
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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

Seth Meyers What GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
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Former member 209992
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Was down due to an emergency update at the ISP. They did email me seconds before they took it down and apologized for the short notice.

However once the server was back online NGINX failed to start.

I was at the grocery store and just rebooted the entire server and everything came back up again.

Just got home from the grocery store I will bring in the groceries and then take a look at what NGINX failed the first time.
comfortably_numb
Was down due to an emergency update at the ISP. They did email me seconds before they took it down and apologized for the short notice.

However once the server was back online NGINX failed to start.

I was at the grocery store and just rebooted the entire server and everything came back up again.

Just got home from the grocery store I will bring in the groceries and then take a look at what NGINX failed the first time.

NGINX
The site uses Nugenix?!


View: https://youtu.be/_DhEEo5S9fg
Scott Greczkowski
Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.
navychop
Nature will develop better idiots.
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Nature will develop better idiots.
God help us.
Scott Greczkowski
I guess this is what the downtime was about.

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Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
osu1991
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Foxbat
Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Foxbat
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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dishstaller
Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
jsmit86
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Former member 208119
Last reply · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio
My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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Foxbat
Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…
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Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…
I just bought a Ram 1500 truck with a 3 month free trial. What to do when it ends?

All I want is music and news, but it is listed for $11.99 + $5.00 more for news. But $16.99 per month isn't worth it to me.
comfortably_numb
What to do when it ends?

Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.
harshness
Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.
Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Jimbo
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
Jimbo
Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.
Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.
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Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.
Don't you mean phone sex operators:biggrin
Jimbo
Don't you mean phone sex operators:biggrin
Is That why you keep SXM ??? :biggrin
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Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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TRG
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
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yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
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Foxbat
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango💃🏽

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
Jimbo
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango💃🏽

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.
I forgot you can pay that with Ford Pass points, I won't be due again till Feb, but I'll have to remember to try it ... Not sure what needs to be done, but I do have a substantial amount of points currently.
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Is That why you keep SXM ??? :biggrin
when i say cancel. they give the moon and stars!!! iv'e gotten free radios and a free month once since it was my bday ;).
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osu1991
Pub Member / Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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meStevo

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
harshness
The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
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A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
harshness
In Oregon, our premium boat gas is about a dollar more than our corn premium. Several stations only offer the non-corn premium grade.
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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dishdude
They didn't sell many, they were pricey and not out long. Quickly got replaced by the Hopper.
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They were high-end specialty, somewhat buggy and the 612/622/722 just overwhelmed it in popularity.
HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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AZ.
Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
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