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By CRAYTON HARRISON / The Dallas Morning News

Essay: Falling in love again - with HDTV
Chances are, Mr. Sophisticated has just paid a lot of money to watch the same old picture blown up to a bigger size. If he's like most high-definition TV set owners, he doesn't really have high-def programming on the screen.

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Less than one in four owners of HDTV sets actually subscribe to cable or satellite channels that broadcast in crisp, clear high-def. In other words, fewer than 2 percent of television-owning households – about 2 million homes – subscribe to HD programming, though nearly 9 percent own an HDTV-ready set. About 1.2 million households have digital tuners to get HD signals over the airwaves.

Broadcasters aren't terribly concerned that many HDTV owners aren't watching HD programs. Consumers will eventually migrate to HD programming, they say, noting the resources the industry and government have put into HDTV's development.

"This is no different than every technology before it," said Mark Cuban, president of high-definition network HDNet LLC, in an e-mail. "The market will grow as the price points of HDTVs fall."

But the disparity shows that just persuading consumers to buy newfangled televisions won't automatically create HD-craving viewers. HD broadcasters still have several obstacles to surmount to build an audience:

• Indifference. Many HDTV set owners don't know why they'd want HD programming, believing they already have a good-looking picture on their digital screens.

"Anything put into their TV set looks better," said Lee Simonson, a purchasing executive at Best Buy Co.

• Confusion. Some consumers think they're getting high-definition pictures when they're not.

"You'll talk to a guy who's got an HDTV monitor and has digital cable, and he brags about having HDTV, and you're like, 'No you don't, you have digital cable and a really nice monitor,' " said Jenny Miller, a spokeswoman for the Consumer Electronics Association.

• Few choices. Until November, Comcast Corp.'s cable subscribers in the Dallas area couldn't subscribe to HD channels even if they wanted to. Satellite services such as News Corp.'s DirecTV and EchoStar Communications Corp.'s Dish Network began offering HD packages earlier, but their packages of channels have only recently expanded.


Timing their entry

Broadcasters are trying to delicately time their entries into HD programming. If they jump in too early, they'll lose money on channels that can't attract advertising because of poor viewership. If they wait too long, viewers may have built loyalty to other channels.

The Discovery Channel took the leap last year, unveiling the nature documentary-rich Discovery HD Theater channel. The timing was finally right, said Clint Stinchcomb, a senior vice president at the channel, owned by Discovery Communications Inc.

"I think there is a combination of factors in place today that have never been in place before," he said. "HD set prices are declining. Set-top box prices are declining, and that's enabled cable to roll it out aggressively. And there's pressure from the FCC to make the conversion, so you're seeing increased content."

The availability and variety of HD content has improved. Cable operators now offer HDTV channels in 99 of the top 100 television markets, making it possible to send HD to 84 million of the 108 million television-watching U.S. households, including most cable viewers in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

DirecTV and Dish Network have offered HD channels for years. A third service launched last year, Voom, offers the widest variety of HD content, with 21 exclusive HD channels.

Both cable and satellite now have more content to carry. ESPN, Bravo and Discovery launched their HD channels last year, joining stalwarts HBO and Showtime, which started their HD channels in 1999 and 2000, respectively. Mr. Cuban's HDNet has been available on DirecTV since 2001 and joined Dish Network's lineup last year.

More channels are on the way, including HD versions of TNT and the Outdoor Channel. Broadcast networks, meanwhile, are offering more content in HD, and cable and satellite providers are beginning to include those programs in their services.

HD enthusiasts believe more choices will persuade people to buy subscriptions for HD programming. But many consumers still don't know what HD programming is.

A Consumer Electronics Association survey in September asked respondents across the country whether high-definition TV and digital TV were the same thing. (They're not – HDTV is a form of digital TV.) About 55 percent answered correctly, but 21 percent were wrong and 24 percent said they didn't know the answer.

"They'll tell stories about some guy who walks up and says, 'I've got HDTV,' and it becomes clear as the conversation goes on that he has digital cable," Mr. Rodriguez said. "There's this frustration. There's just this confusion."

Even people who own televisions capable of displaying HD programming don't necessarily understand what HD is, and some don't appear greatly concerned with the quality of the image on their screens.

Consumers have no choice but to move to HD programming eventually, said Mr. Cuban, who also owns the Dallas Mavericks.

"People buy what is sold to them," he said. "As the price point of HD set-top boxes fall, then [major cable operators] will push people towards HD set-top boxes simply because they want to push people in that direction."
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Showing is not the answer...

I know some us have hashed this argument out in other areas but I still think many people feel, "If we show them good pq/aq in our own homes they'll want the same thing in theirs." This is far from the case. As I've said in other posts, I, like many of you, have quite a nice home theater setup. I now have Voom with some kick-butt HD programming. I've been into home theater for about 14 years now and have shown my setup (has been pretty good from the beginning and gotten better as my salary increased) to countless people. You want to know how many of those people went out and bought even a basic home theater setup? Zero. Absolutely zero. Sure, they rave about it, heck, my best friend used to take people into my condo (he was my neighbor and watched the cat when I was gone) to show off my setup. But he never went out and spent the money on it and neither did anyone else.

In the article Sean posted it was mentioned that most people feel they've got the channel already so why bother with HD? As I've mentioned in the past, if there is ANY inconvenience, whether it's switching providers or costing more money, most people just won't do it. They feel they already can watch the Discovery Channel. HD is nice but I don't want to deal with the incovenience/expense of getting HD programming into my house.

What I think we need to do is keep telling our friends/associates about Voom. Keep showing off our setups. But this alone will not do much to convert people. Voom needs to make sure people know it doesn't cost more than a DTV/Dish setup. In fact, it's less money! Start getting those people just getting their HDTVs and tell them, "Hey, now that you've got an HDTV why not take advantage of it? Voom offers more HD programming than anyone else and it's no more expensive than what you're used to paying." This will start to get more people into Voom and into HD in general.

I wish it were as easy as just showing off what we've got but it's just not that easy. Most people just don't care that much about what their setup looks/sounds like. It's just not a priority to most people out there.

The Rickster
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Consumers have no choice but to move to HD programming eventually

BOLOGNA, has Mark Cuban lost his mind?

The keyword is eventually

he's right. I think the timeframe for this is certainly up for debate though.
vurbano
jwaltz666 said:
The keyword is eventually

he's right. I think the timeframe for this is certainly up for debate though.
Yes, maybe my "grandchildren" will "have too". An I do mean maybe. He is assuming that standard digital which isnt even mandated yet and that may take 10 years to happen (remember its 80% of homes must be SD capable in addition to the 2006 dream date). He is speculating on the death of the next standard!! That is yearsssssssss away!!! Its like me saying that eventually we will all have to have solar powered cars, well yeah someday oil will run out I suppose.
DarrellP
My prediction (fingers crossed ) is that by 2007 half of what we watch will be HD.
That prediction is today for me, HD is all I watch.
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DarrellP said:
That prediction is today for me, HD is all I watch.

;) My prediction (fingers crossed) is that by 2007 half of what is available to watch will be HD.
TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
meStevo
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
TRG
TRG
"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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Howard Simmons
"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
dishstaller
.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Juan
Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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meStevo
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2111074303185989663?s=20
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dishstaller
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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIhZm0qkz0o
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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White Wedding - Billy Idol
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White Christmas - Elvis Presley
dishstaller
Dirty White Boy - Foreigner
Bobby
Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
dishstaller
Dirty Diana - Michael Jackson
osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Former member 208119
Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
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Former member 209992
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
S
zipping right along here
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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Foxbat
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
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comfortably_numb
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

Not likely since that place closed down.