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Has directv ever activated the ota turners on the HR20s yet? Right now that is the only thing keeping me from buying one. I use the tuner on my H20-100 to get locals from three surrounding markets. I live in a crappy little market that directv does not have locals for and probably never will. My market Bowling Green KY is the most pitiful market in the country. Until few years ago we were in the Nashville, TN market. But the local broadcasters, only 2 channels, wanted to force themselves on us.


Sorry for my little rant, I got carried away.

Josh
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The first place you will see it posted is on dbstalk http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=112 where Earl will post the release notes....
jpn
jpn
The first place you will see it posted is on dbstalk http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=112 where Earl will post the release notes....

Has anyone seen this????
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=71409

Earl has commented that the post is accurate: the D* CSR's have been told that OTA will not be enabled until sometime in 2007.
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Has anyone seen this????
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=71409

Earl has commented that the post is accurate: the D* CSR's have been told that OTA will not be enabled until sometime in 2007.


You left a key part of that out.

I did confirm, that is what the CSRs where told.
However, I have not confirmed if what they where told was correct or not.
jpn
jpn
You left a key part of that out.

I did confirm, that is what the CSRs where told.
However, I have not confirmed if what they where told was correct or not.

Apologies, I must have missed that part while trying to sift the crap from the crops. There's a lot of irrelevant arm-waving in those threads.
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WOW! Just can't believe how the "HD Leader" has handled their best customers. I have both D* and E* HD and would have upgraded (don't know if that is the correct word) to their new DVR if the Slimline dish had been available. I am an early adapter and have also thought about putting the balance of my D* receivers on E-bay having good luck selling three of my backup units last week. Never would have thought DISH would have been "My HD Leader" for so long with 30 HD channels and all my OTA Locals. I really like my VIP 622 DVR better than my HR10-250 except for only having one OTA turner. I am sure pleased that I added DISH to my system, but thought it would be short lived. DirecTV really has screwed over those that have invested in HD even if they do add 40 HD channels this next Summer and have a good working HD DVR by then. Looks to be a long Winter for D* only customers.
Beavis
Apologies, I must have missed that part while trying to sift the crap from the crops. There's a lot of irrelevant arm-waving in those threads.

That post plus your avatar...
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Jimbo
WOW! Just can't believe how the "HD Leader" has handled their best customers. I have both D* and E* HD and would have upgraded (don't know if that is the correct word) to their new DVR if the Slimline dish had been available. I am an early adapter and have also thought about putting the balance of my D* receivers on E-bay having good luck selling three of my backup units last week. Never would have thought DISH would have been "My HD Leader" for so long with 30 HD channels and all my OTA Locals. I really like my VIP 622 DVR better than my HR10-250 except for only having one OTA turner. I am sure pleased that I added DISH to my system, but thought it would be short lived. DirecTV really has screwed over those that have invested in HD even if they do add 40 HD channels this next Summer and have a good working HD DVR by then. Looks to be a long Winter for D* only customers.

D* no longer boast that they are the HD leader, however, they could boast that they are the HD SPORTS leader.
Slimline is reported as being available now.
Your 622 is years newer than the HR10-250 your using, hardly a comparision.
I would rather have HD programming thatI actually want to see, vs large quantity of channels (DISH) that I really would not watch much of anyways.
Once the 2 sats get up in the air and operational, '07 D* will be adding HD content.
Curious, What is DISH doing to add HD in the next year or so ? They too will be short on bandwidth sometime soon.
About that time DISH will increase thier talks about merging with D* so they don't have to build thier own .

Jimbo
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D* no longer boast that they are the HD leader, however, they could boast that they are the HD SPORTS leader.
Slimline is reported as being available now.
Your 622 is years newer than the HR10-250 your using, hardly a comparision.
I would rather have HD programming thatI actually want to see, vs large quantity of channels (DISH) that I really would not watch much of anyways.
Once the 2 sats get up in the air and operational, '07 D* will be adding HD content.
Curious, What is DISH doing to add HD in the next year or so ? They too will be short on bandwidth sometime soon.
About that time DISH will increase thier talks about merging with D* so they don't have to build thier own .

Jimbo

I guess they don't advertise having 1080i either?

Not trying to start anything but why would I want to up-grade to a DVR with no OTA?

Why would I want to wait till next Summer to enjoy my investment in HD?

I am just surprised having both D* & E* that DISH has just done a better job with HD and their DVRs thus far. I hope you are correct and that D* will improve since I send them a check each month too. However I sure will enjoy (Family & Friends too) my programing from DISH this Winter more than anything I presently receive from Directv!
Jimbo
I guess they don't advertise having 1080i either?

Not trying to start anything but why would I want to up-grade to a DVR with no OTA?

Why would I want to wait till next Summer to enjoy my investment in HD?

I am just surprised having both D* & E* that DISH has just done a better job with HD and their DVRs thus far. I hope you are correct and that D* will improve since I send them a check each month too. However I sure will enjoy (Family & Friends too) my programing from DISH this Winter more than anything I presently receive from Directv!

The OTA tuner MAY be activated on Friday, or maybe not... I upgraded to the HR20-700 for the ability to have a HD DVR, I could have got the HR10-50 but wanted to progress in technology, knowing that the MPEG4 is the way everything is leaning.
I record stuff on D* as well as OTA,,I just cn't use the HR20-700 for the OTA yet, but I do use it for sat recordings (sd and HD).

The only reason DISH has the amount of HD channels currently is that they bought up the dieing VOOM channels and the SAT that they were on, otherwise DISH would not be as far as D* is currently, people keep forgetting this, DISH did nothing to get sats built and when the current sat gets filled up, it will happen quickly, just look at D*'s sats.

DISH really has not done much as far as looking to the future as far as adding sats.

I perfer the SPORTS in HD over anything else, so that is why I an content for the moment with D*, although they could do more and will when the bandwidth issues are fixed.

Just wanted to let you know some addl. info.

Jimbo
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The only reason DISH has the amount of HD channels currently is that they bought up the dieing VOOM channels and the SAT that they were on, otherwise DISH would not be as far as D* is currently, people keep forgetting this, DISH did nothing to get sats built and when the current sat gets filled up, it will happen quickly, just look at D*'s sats.

DISH really has not done much as far as looking to the future as far as adding sats.

The overblown VOOM channels are partof why DISH has more HD. The other reason is that they're not providing local HD.

They want everyone to believe that distant-network access is a big issue, when really they've been ignoring the law-of-the-land --- in that respect they are more criminal than illegal aliens.

They'll spend money on lawyers, but not on their satellite infrastructure. When push comes to shove and they have to shut channels off, they rely on their subscribers to scream loud enough to push government to provide special exceptions.

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FWIW, I have no issue with how D* has handled my account. They've been willing to address my concerns and they have 'apologized' through programming credits and free equipment.

It's the local installers I've had issues with, and they are not D* employees.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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dishstaller
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
meStevo
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:


In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
You invested in datacenters?
meStevo
You invested in datacenters?


Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
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My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Jimbo
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
EarDemon
I tried to do that, when I did delivery driver work (2010- 2013), we had a fleet of Freightliners. The newer trucks had headunits that were satellite compatible (XM only I think), but lacked the antenna and guts. I got a car kt for my old Roady XT and tried to use it, but at the volume levels I needed have it at to hear it over the diesel engine it sounded like crap, so I used my phone with an aux cable. When I was in the middle of nowhere with no cell service it didn't do me any good though.

At my current job, one of our new cars has the free trial of SXM active, I frequently have to go off site to a location 75 miles away in a rural area and it's nice being able to use the service off of the satellites versus using the app. There are many places on this journey where all three providers lack service.
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Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
Jimbo
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Mississippi Cotton Picking Delta Town - Charley Pride
harshness
Delta Dawn - Tanya Tucker
dishstaller
Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band
sdfntx
See You in September - The Happenings
long_time_Dish
You Look Like You Love Me - Ella Langley
meStevo
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2111074303185989663?s=20
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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

Seth Meyers What GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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Titanium
Yes, many have hacked a DirecTV or Dish Network dish before. Quite undersized, but would receive the 97w KU stations with an LNBF swap. Make a template to set the LNBF face angle and distance from the reflector. Remove the current circular polarity LNBFs and make a bracket to hold the replacement linear LNBF in the correct centered position. Remember to set the polarity skew.
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would probably also work well for NHK on 101W and possibly for PBS on 99W. I used one for a while on 30W. Just keep in mind that because it's undersized for those satellites, it might work fine in clear weather but won't have much margin to account for signal degradation during rain/snow
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If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.
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I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...
Titanium
Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2
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dfergie
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$6.099​
Premium$6.599​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.