3D in 2012 -- May send me to DirecTv

[TheForce]

I remember going to disneyland and seeing "Honey, i shrunk the kids" It was awesome! My kids who were very young at the time were on the edge of their seats and terrified at the sight of the lion in the film. I think there was a snake too. With that said, Can any consumer 3D viewed at home compare to what Disney offers at their theme parks?

Some movies, yes and some no. It all depends on the director, not the technology. This wasn't true just a couple years ago. Many are shot too dark, IMO. But many are quite equal to what you saw at Disney. Disney probably has the longest running experience at 3D so they are good at it. Today there are different opinions on what's good by 3D enthusiasts. Gimmick 3D effects that jump off the screen are favored by many but some hate that and want to see a more natural scenery. I'm in the camp that if the script calls for something of a gimmick, do it. But don't write the script just for that purpose.

3D is more like when we went from mono sound to stereo than when we went from SD to HD. What sells 3D is the gimmick in your face. What sold stereo sound was the ping pong. What is good 3D is that which entertains you and you enjoyed the story enhanced by looking real world with depth, not just a flat picture hanging on the wall.

 

[Laddyboy]

Now for my comments about those of you 3D haters- You know who you are. You posted you hope Dish never does 3D channels so those of us won't have the opportunity to see what we enjoy on Dish. How mean and selfish you are! Why are you so afraid of 3D? If you want to play that game, I hope your dish gets struck by lightning.

Bandwidth is limited so some group is always going to be disappointed.

 

[TheForce]

What exactly IS 30 second "slip" ? How does it differ from 30 second "skip"?

 

[JM42]

What exactly IS 30 second "slip" ? How does it differ from 30 second "skip"?

"Slip" fast forwards through 30 seconds in a second or so. "Skip" jumps the entire 30 seconds at once like Dish.

 

[steve4810]

3D is more like when we went from mono sound to stereo than when we went from SD to HD. What sells 3D is the gimmick in your face. What sold stereo sound was the ping pong. What is good 3D is that which entertains you and you enjoyed the story enhanced by looking real world with depth, not just a flat picture hanging on the wall.

And now almost all movie soundtracks are stereo if not DD5.1. But real stereo sound, other than music or effects sounds, is usually only heard for the first 15 minutes. My son pointed this out to me at a screening of a Star Trek movie. It seems that if somebody wants to get nominated and maybe win an Oscar for sound mixing it is the first 15 minutes when they need to make an impression. If nothing grabs the academy voters at that point they don't bother critically listening to the rest of the movie. In the first scene this Star Trek movie had ping pong sounds of children running accoss the screen and voices heard off to the sides. But soon that was 99% gone and all you heard is that single "dialog channel" in the middle of the screen (except the action scenes of course).

I suspect that will be the eventual fate of 3D movies. Flashy opening scenes and in action movies flashy 3D action scenes. But plane ol' adult movies will have maybe beginning and final deep 3D shots then flat video for most of the movie just like middle of the screen "dialog channel" sound tracks.

 

[dfergie]

I like using slip as you see the video and if there is something you want to see, you can go back to it.

 

[TheForce]

And now almost all movie soundtracks are stereo if not DD5.1. But real stereo sound, other than music or effects sounds, is usually only heard for the first 15 minutes. My son pointed this out to me at a screening of a Star Trek movie. It seems that if somebody wants to get nominated and maybe win an Oscar for sound mixing it is the first 15 minutes when they need to make an impression. If nothing grabs the academy voters at that point they don't bother critically listening to the rest of the movie. In the first scene this Star Trek movie had ping pong sounds of children running accoss the screen and voices heard off to the sides. But soon that was 99% gone and all you heard is that single "dialog channel" in the middle of the screen (except the action scenes of course).

Yep! when I was getting my start in professional video production I worked for a Penthouse producer as his editor and later shooter of hard R porn. He taught me that porn has to open with the most explicit shots in the "story" to make the video sell. Many of his projects were edited like flashbacks to achieve those goals.

Thanks for the definition of "slip" It seems it would work slower than skip. Sometimes I use several clicks of the FF button to do that function on my 722k but there is no automatic stop.

 

[dfergie]

One thing about the slip is it is very intuitive about stopping after the commercial...

 

[TheForce]

Don- How long does it take to slip through the 30 seconds?

 

[dfergie]

Maybe 5... but it keeps from having to skip back.

 

[jchalk59]

Well, I signed up for DirecTV today. I'll keep my External HDD in case I ever make my way back to Dish. I really wanted to see the Hopper/Joey system... perhaps I'll be back in a couple of years once the bugs are worked out .

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Just a word of warning... Once you cancel DISH Network you will not be able to use your external hard drives if you come back under a new account. As they are keyed to your specific account.

 

[rglore]

No Dish receiver technical upgrades are needed to show 3D. I watched it on my 622 when the Fashion Channel HD was carried. They would show 3D clips for 3 or 4 minutes six times a day. I'm using a Samsung DLP with the Mits 3D adapter. I'm sure the picture quality would be better with a higher bandwidth signal but otherwise it looked the same as my Bluray 3Ds.

 

[steve4810]

Just a word of warning... Once you cancel DISH Network you will not be able to use your external hard drives if you come back under a new account. As they are keyed to your specific account.

Yes! When your account is closed you will have drive that will need reformatting to be of any use.

 

[whatchel1]

People thought this 10 years ago with HD only VOD wasn't available... HD was "stealing bandwidth"from SD

Untrue, I was one of the early adopters of it. I was the only non-teacher to have it when I was in broadcast engineering school. Friends that were student of mine would see it and get excited. All of them w/3d it's not so universal when it is seen by people. I have a friend that has it and I watched it. HATED IT gave me a headache.

 

[whatchel1]

And now almost all movie soundtracks are stereo if not DD5.1. But real stereo sound, other than music or effects sounds, is usually only heard for the first 15 minutes. My son pointed this out to me at a screening of a Star Trek movie. It seems that if somebody wants to get nominated and maybe win an Oscar for sound mixing it is the first 15 minutes when they need to make an impression. If nothing grabs the academy voters at that point they don't bother critically listening to the rest of the movie. In the first scene this Star Trek movie had ping pong sounds of children running accoss the screen and voices heard off to the sides. But soon that was 99% gone and all you heard is that single "dialog channel" in the middle of the screen (except the action scenes of course).

I suspect that will be the eventual fate of 3D movies. Flashy opening scenes and in action movies flashy 3D action scenes. But plane ol' adult movies will have maybe beginning and final deep 3D shots then flat video for most of the movie just like middle of the screen "dialog channel" sound tracks.

That may have been true at one point but no longer correct. All music through out films is stereo and dialog is most often center channel. But dialog will follow the person on the screen if it is a long shot. In fact it will go off screen if the person is talking off screen to character on the screen. Now 5.1 is mostly effect or delay for the music and most often is just multiplexed in mix down. The Grammies recently was in 5.1 and I was able to hear (as an example) well Rhianna routine well but friends that were watching on TV(stereo) had problems with the sound. Her vocal followed her from side to side to middle as she went all over the stage. They thought that it was just too heavy reverb effect when it was center channel only. But I could hear her well and the echo/reverb was what was coming out of the stereo channels. And we both know sound well, as we are both sound engs. Movie audio mix down is now a very much more complicated mix than it was just 5 yrs ago.

 

[whatchel1]

Well, that has to get laid solely at the feet of the CEO, the chairman and the board of directors for not having an aggressive long range plan to have adequate transponder space ready when it's needed.

Anyway it sounds like there isn't a magic wand that can solve these issues.

I'll be around for quite a while. Maybe it will improve in time.

When a sat goes to L that just isn't in the plan. You can't plan for that and E* has had more problems with that, than the competition.

 

[Ilya]

3D is a novelty. Possibly even a fad - time will tell. But with so many people buying 3D-capable TV sets these days and willing to experiment with this "new feature" Dish is missing the boat!

 

[steve4810]

All music through out films is stereo and dialog is most often center channel. But dialog will follow the person on the screen if it is a long shot. In fact it will go off screen if the person is talking off screen to character on the screen. Now 5.1 is mostly effect or delay for the music and most often is just multiplexed in mix down.

You just said exactly what I said. The only additional point I made was both directors and mixers often will "flex their muscles" in opening scenes then, except for action scenes, the Dialog, along with the principal actors stay near middle of the shot. It wasn't a statement about technology but rather style and only generally true. And I believe 3d will be applied the same way. Color went through the same thing. A lot of early films used outlandish costume colors to make an impression on movie patrons that had never seen color. All these techlologies are at first exploited. Later when the novelty wears off they are used much more naturally. That's all I was saying about how 3d will evolve.

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[Tampa8]

You just said exactly what I said. The only additional point I made was both directors and mixers often will "flex their muscles" in opening scenes then, except for action scenes, the Dialog, along with the principal actors stay near middle of the shot. It wasn't a statement about technology but rather style and only generally true. And I believe 3d will be applied the same way. Color went through the same thing. A lot of early films used outlandish costume colors to make an impression on movie patrons that had never seen color. All these techlologies are at first exploited. Later when the novelty wears off they are used much more naturally. That's all I was saying about how 3d will evolve.

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That may be the first thought I have seen that makes some sense for 3D. I just can't see it existing if it is applied to a whole movie but for in a very very few movies. But used strategically it could have a place, if no glasses are needed as with the LG technology. Still not sure if that works for more than movies.