8PSK Conversion Update as of 6/9/15

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Ok folks here is the latest update that SatelliteGuys has received from DISH on the conversion from QPSK to 8PSK on DISH Networks Western Arc Service (110 - 119)

The following Channel changes are associated with the QPSK to 8PSK upgrade, channels will be converted to 8PSK, those accounts that still have QPSK model receivers can temporarily tune to the interim 4 digit channel in the 6000 range to receive programming, but receivers must be upgraded to 8PSK by July 15 or programming will be lost. Receivers already upgraded to 8PSK can continue to receive programming on the current channel.

Planned Changes:
June 10
CNTRO Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 832 -> 6951
MALL Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 123/220 -> 6952
MARKT Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 221 -> 6953
NEWSX Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 223 -> 6954
RCTV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 224 -> 6955
HSN2 Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 226 -> 6956
FETV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 82/9642 -> 6957
FSTV Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 9415 -> 6958
LINK Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 9410 -> 6959
ALIVE Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 219 -> 6960
GEMS Satellite 110 Transponder 10 - Channel moves from 229 -> 6961

JUNE 17
FUSE Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 164 -> 6962
EPIX3 Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 164 -> 6963
BEINE Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 873 -> 6964
SUND Satellite 119 Transponder 15 - Channel moves from 126 -> 6965

JUNE 24
ESQNT Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 192 -> 6967
BABY1 Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 823/4856 -> 6968
FXDEP Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 855 -> 6969
GAC Satellite Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 156/4676 -> 6071
CNNES Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 859/4856 -> 6971
NTGEO Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 186 -> 6972
HLMRK Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 185 -> 6973
TNICK Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 181 -> 6973
(Please Note: on the list I receiver it lists both HLMRK and TNICK going to channel 6973 which I believe is a mistake, so from TNICK on the new channel location may be off by one. I am just posting what DISH sent me. Thanks for your understanding!)
SCI Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 193 -> 6974
DISCF Satellite 110 Transponder 11 - Channel moves from 179 -> 6975

JULY 8
FOOD Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 110 -> 6976
HGTV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 112 -> 6977
MTV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 160 -> 6978
TRV Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 196 -> 6980
IFC Satellite 119 Transponder 6 - Channel moves from 133 -> 6980

Many channels will not be dual illuminated, it is hoped that by moving the above channels it will get people to upgrade their equipment to 8PSK compatible by then.

Here is the list of the expected conversion dates to full 8PSK for the following channels (again only on 110 / 119)

July 15
NOTAX, SUND, FUSE, WN, EPIX3, OUTSD, PRST, SEC, BEINE, AACSD, WNATT, WNATI, MALL ALIVE, MARKT, NEWSX, RCTV, HSN2, GEMS, QVC+, REAL, YOUTV, ORDER, CNTRO, DPRMO, LTD8, FSTV, LINK, ATOOL, IAD4, IAD5, DISH, D500, FETV, SPRNG,

July 22
THTRE, MOVIE, INDEP, DRMT4, HOME, FOXB, CCNEW, FSC+. SPORT, ORDER, NTEL, IAD11, IAD12, IAD1, ETC10, FTSYC, FTSYP, TRIGC, SBCVC, VWTP1, VWTP2, NFLRZ, NBATV, ID, AMERI, ZLVNG, ANGL2, CTN, SONY, GOLF, BIG10, UNVSO, TVEI, DSCE, DSFAM, TFMLA, TLHIT, ANGL2, SONY, ULTRA, MOVIE, DRMT3, DRMt5, DRMT9, ECLAS, BEIN, SPMAN, PRIME, SPSOU, CSNCA, SPORT, ONPPV, PSNES, CBBIS, NGMDO, TR3S, MLB, PCSLT, GAMES, PREVW, LMN, AXS, NOTAX, BITV, JTV, KTV, LC, SPORT, ANT3, RTLR, LTD5, DISH, IADM, TGTP, TPSS, ACTVT, GAC, DISCF, TNICK, HLMRK, NTGEO, ESQNT, SCI, FXX, BABY1, BABY, TMDOW, UFORO, FXDEP, CNNES, CINEL, LTD4, DISH, H2, HMM, PIVOT, CHILR, ALJAM, UNIME, UNIMW, ESUSP, EBLK, AZTCA, UNVSW, HITN, PELIC, PCLAS, UDEP, IAD13, IAD3, TEST1, TEST2, TEST3, AZTCA, KFUG, DLSV, DIY, COOK, FYI, CNSSN, TOONW, NATGW, AHC, WHT, MAX-L, EACTN, TENIS, TMNDO, HISTE, ESPND, CCTVE, BYUTV, CBSSN, TMNDO, BYUTV, NHLN, BOOM, NICKT, UP, HBOCY, ACMAX, 5-MAX, SBYND, ENCRW, EWSTN, STRZW, STZC, FXM, FOXS2, SPORT, NHLN, WAPAA, ESPNA, MASN2, ALT, SPORT, NHLA, MLBNA, NBA, NHL, ALT10, ALT12, ALTSC, MLB, PCSLT, SKDL, ETC3, NUDE, CHEAP, PLBYE, PLBY, ASHOW, GIRLS, VIVID, BRAZZ, TEN, RKTV, HUSLR, XTSY, ASHOW.

Another note, you may see channgls listed that you never heard of above, these may be internal testing channels, or data services. Do not be alarmed if you do note get these channels.

As always everything is subject to change. If anything changes and we hear about it, we will let you know.

Thanks for being SatelliteGuys! :D
 
So basically, the niche channels will be converted first, then the more popular ones. I know Dish is trying to give customers multiple warnings about this, but otoh, customers have had over a year to make the upgrades. If Dish still has to deal with a lot of phone calls about this, then I guess Dish does have a lot of uninformed and/or stubborn customers.
 
So what happens to some of the real popular channels, such as ESPN, NFL, TNT, TBS, Disney Channel, Fox News, etc? Will they be in QPSK until the very last moment and then changed to 8PSK? Or will those be the ones not "dual illuminated" and could go at any time?
 
NUDE, CHEAP, PLBYE, PLBY, ASHOW, GIRLS, VIVID, BRAZZ, TEN, RKTV, HUSLR, XTSY, ASHOW.

figured the porn stations would go first :)
 
Heck no that is their bread and butter channels. :)
 
boy nothing gets by you does it? :rolleyes:

I was making the point that usually when an upgrade happens (back when they would upgrade security on the cards) porn stations were the first to upgrade. So its kinda weird that Dish isnt doing it that way this time
 
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Iceberg said:
boy nothing gets by you does it? :rolleyes:

I was making the point that usually when an upgrade happens (back when they would upgrade security on the cards) porn stations were the first to upgrade. So its kinda weird that Dish isnt doing it that way this time
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Well, Dish also isn't upgrading security on the cards at this time. I am guessing that they are waiting until they get all of the old receivers out of the field before requiring a Smart Card swap on the remaining receivers. It occurs to me that a Smart Card swap might have been a more efficient way to accomplish the QPSK to 8PSK conversion, since Dish could have simply refused to send new cards for the obsolete receivers, forcing everybody to switch at once. Instead, they have chosen to convert the programming first.
 
Why do they need a smart card swap, it hasn't been that long that they changed to Nara 3, while I think Nagra 3 has been broken in Europe, I don't think that Dish is having major piracy issues at the moment, why would they go to the expense of changing out both receivers for QPSK only subs and then a smart card swap for everyone?
 
Iceberg said:
boy nothing gets by you does it? :rolleyes:

I was making the point that usually when an upgrade happens (back when they would upgrade security on the cards) porn stations were the first to upgrade. So its kinda weird that Dish isnt doing it that way this time
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Interestingly enough, I remember about 15 or 16 years ago, when DTV piracy was rampant and the HU card was the big thing, I had a cousin that had a pirated DTV box, anyway to make a long story short, it was around Christmas and I went for a visit, they were all sitting around watching Christmas themed porn, said all the other channels had gotten knocked out by an ECM. They had been watching porn so long they'd gotten involved in the storyline, ha ha.
 
bobvick said:
Interestingly enough, I remember about 15 or 16 years ago, when DTV piracy was rampant and the HU card was the big thing, I had a cousin that had a pirated DTV box, anyway to make a long story short, it was around Christmas and I went for a visit, they were all sitting around watching Christmas themed porn, said all the other channels had gotten knocked out by an ECM. They had been watching porn so long they'd gotten involved in the storyline, ha ha.
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Lol....haha. I would have probably put up an outdoor antenna first
 
KAB said:
Agreed. No logic to a card swap.
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Yeah, I think Card swaps cost Dish over a million dollars to do, so it has to make economic sense for them to go to the expense, like if they are starting to see big problems with the security of the current encryption.
 
For my commercial account the rep told me that the Box needed to be replaced since the card did not start with a 2
 
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