AT&T Directv Puerto Rico

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mobi

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Does at&t have any say with D puerto rico ?
We in the usvi have no network channels yet D blackout ST games
because it's on network channels.Dish have the networks being going
over at my neighbor all season long to watch blackout games.As soon the
season ends think i'm done, not getting what i paid for.
 

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You’re right. That makes no sense.

Does PR get fewer DTV channels than the mainland?


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You’re right. That makes no sense.

Does PR get fewer DTV channels than the mainland?


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I don't know a lot about it, but I watch the transponder updates on the CE site. If you are familiar with the infamous "OTA database", there is a copy of that there. The database is just a small part of the information that is available about what is up in the satellites. That's also where you see that new channels are in test mode, etc. There are also updates specifically for PR. There have been a lot recently. It seems they have a different set of contracts, and do not have the same line up as CONUS. This is what I can find for full time channels for PR. I don't know why the networks wouldn't be available in the USVI, but they are labeled "FOX Puerto Rico" for example in the description. If i C&P'ed the whole thing with the desciption here, it would not be legible, but here is the basic idea:

AUDHD 160
ODTVHD 161
TMDOHD 162
WAPRHD 164
UNPRHD 168
FOXHD 170
ABCHD 172
CBSHD 174
NBCHD 176
BRVOHD 220
E!HD 222
FOODHD 228
FXHD 242
TNTHD 244
USAHD 246
TBSHD 248
HGTVHD 250
FRFMHD 252
PARHD 254
A&EHD 256
MTVHD 260
VH1HD 262
COMHD 263
COOKHD 267
TOONHD 320
NIKeHD 322
DISHD 324
DXDHD 326
NKJRHD 337
AMCHD 511
LIFEHD 517
LMNHD 518
HBOHD 564
HB2eHD 565
HBOZHD 566
HBOSHD 567
HBFHD 568
HBOCHD 569
HBOLHD 570
MAXHD 571
MMAXHD 572
TMAXHD 573
AMAXHD 574
SHOHD 577
SHO2HD 578
SHBYHD 579
SHO3HD 580
EXTR 581
STRZHD 585
STZKHD 586
STZCIHD 587
SENCHD 589
ESPNHD 645
ESNNHD 646
ESPN2HD 648
TNNSHD 652
NBAHD 653
GOLFHD 654
FS1HD 655
MLBNHD 656
NBCSHD 658
CNNHD 702
HLNHD 708
BTVHD 710
ACCUHD 712
APLHD 735
FYI 744
SYFYHD 745
VELHD 746
DSCHD 752
TLCHD 754
HISTHD 756
BBCAHD 768
WIPR 166
WSTE 167
MEGA 169
TMD2 179
TVCH 182
WORO 183
HOLA 221
PASN 225
UNTL 249
UKIDS 328
KIDS 330
BOOM 336
VME 338
BABY 339
EWTN 350
ENLC 352
PBTV 462
HUST 468
BANG 469
LAT 514
DPEL 516
TMCe 582
SEAC 588
SEFM 590
ESPC 647
ESPD 649
FOXD 651
WAPA2 657
PPV 660
PPV 660–1
PPV 661
PPV 661–1
PPV 662
PPV 664–1
PPV 668
PPV 668–1
CNNE 704
TSUR 722
NGCENT 730
DSCE 732
APLA 734
HISE 742
TVE 760
ANT3 762
NASA 769
MC 901
MC 902
MC 903
MC 904
MC 905
MC 906
MC 907
MC 908
MC 909
MC 910
MC 911
MC 912
MC 913
MC 914
MC 915
MC 916
MC 917
MC 918
MC 919
MC 920
MC 921
MC 922
MC 923
MC 924
MC 925
MC 926
MC 927
MC 928
MC 929
MC 930

Edit: Again, without knowing a whole lot about it, it appears that the PR programming CURRENTLY comes from 99, 101, and 110. That is changing, like I said there have been a lot of updates regarding PR recently.
 

mobi

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Customers in puerto rico have the networks, usvi don't.
All those channels you listed are available to us minus the networks.
Friend of mine rams fan, 3 straight weeks before this monday night
rams games were blacked out.No way to confirm this but he told me when he
called dtv the rep told him not to call back asking the same questions
 

ejb1980

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Customers in puerto rico have the networks, usvi don't.
All those channels you listed are available to us minus the networks.
Friend of mine rams fan, 3 straight weeks before this monday night
rams games were blacked out.No way to confirm this but he told me when he
called dtv the rep told him not to call back asking the same questions
Have you tried OTA? According to the coverage maps on rabbitears.info, there is decent signal in most of the USVI, but terrain will be an issue in some areas.

12-1,2,3 WTJX PBS
17-1 WVXF This
17-2 WVXF Fox
19 WVGN NBC
23 WCVI LeSea
43 WZVI Ion

There is also 22 WMNS CBS, but it appears to be off the air. This is probably why you can't get the PR locals on Directv because you have your own, even though they are not carried, they have the rights to the programming in the VI.
 

mobi

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Terrain is the issue, all these big hills around.It's either cable or satellite forget OTA.
Dish network have the networks, directv don't ,so it's not like the locals holding us hostage.
The way i see it it's up to D.This going on since may
 

ejb1980

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Terrain is the issue, all these big hills around.It's either cable or satellite forget OTA.
Dish network have the networks, directv don't ,so it's not like the locals holding us hostage.
The way i see it it's up to D.This going on since may
What happened in May? Did you have the PR networks before May? Did you ever have the VI networks? Does Dish have PR or VI networks now just so I am clear? (Sorry for all the questions, we don't hear much from PR/VI on these sites! but it is technically the same company so the answer is out there, even if it is a crappy one.)
 

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There is probably a way you can get your networks back. Here on the "mainland" there is a process called "moving" (in quotes). "Moving" is when you move your service address to get more desirable locals, or any locals. Personally, I am "moved" to a fake address at the other end of my state that has most of my state's locals and all of the Boston locals together. It's really not that hard. First, you make sure you have the equipment you want and it's all in good working order. Then call them and tell them you moved. In your case, you would tell them that you moved somewhere on PR. You can use a friend/relative's address with an APT 1 added on or something like that. Make sure to make the address look legit, maybe apartment 1 wouldn't be a real PR address. When you talk to them, never tell them what you are doing. Tell them you moved and your new place had a dish on it, you plugged everything in and it works. They shouldn't give you a hard time. However, hopefully there aren't different rules with PR/VI, but I don't know why there would be: it's still the FCC, right? They will change everything in the computer. Your receiver at your house in the VI will think it is in PR and the locals will work. A little while after you get off the phone with them, go on your account online and change your billing address back to your real address in the VI. Be sure to not call them to come to your house if you have issues because they will go to PR. There are many "movers" around, it is a very successful thing to get away with if you don't mention it to them.

I will ask a few more questions in the other forum about why you lost your locals and if you're going to get them back.
 

mobi

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Lets see in may D switched us over to HD .We did had networks on old system.Dish networks are from the mainland.
abc pr
fox pr
nbc vi
cbs pr
No one expected this no warning or anything .
 

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Lets see in may D switched us over to HD .We did had networks on old system.Dish networks are from the mainland.
abc pr
fox pr
nbc vi
cbs pr
No one expected this no warning or anything .
I asked what happened on the other forum and this is what I was told by a reliable source. The news is not good, but at least this is what happened...

In May, Directv changed the satellites that Directv PR gets your programming from. To be specific, they are getting rid of the 110 satellite. In the move, it appears that they are enforcing the PR and VI local's territory. Directv does not carry the VI locals, so when they started to enforce those rules in May you were blacked out of the PR locals and had nothing to replace them. The mainland DNS (Distant Network Service) is not mirrored to PR/VI so you can't apply for waivers for NY networks.

They also provided a list with with the locals in the Dish system, are these the locals you see at your neighbors with Dish?
8 ABC - pan-Caribbean feed of WENY via WCVI 23.2 Christiansted, VI (incorrectly labeled as an Elmira channel in Dish's lookup)
10 ThisTV - WVFX Charlotte Amalie, VI (incorrectly labeled as a Puerto Rican channel in Dish's lookup)
14 NBC - WVGN Charlotte Amalie, VI (incorrectly labeled as a Puerto Rican channel in Dish's lookup)
18 CBS - Pan-Caribbean feed of WSEE (incorrectly labeled as a Puerto Rican channel in Dish's lookup)
24 Fox - Puerto Rico's WSJP 18.2 (incorrectly labeled by their previous affiliate's callsign WSJX)
60 PBS National Feed

At some point in the next few years, they will have space and it is possible they will add the VI locals on Directv. There is no way to know that now. At any rate, it does not really help you get locals. They only way you will get locals is to try "moving" to PR like I mentioned in an earlier post so they think you're there and won't black out the networks.
 

mobi

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Only reason many of us down here have D is for nfl sunday ticket.
There is no kind of communication from them at all,cusotmer service call tell us
anything.Still have one last card to play will try contacting Alexandra Verdiales Costa.
She is the new regional vice president of external and legislative affairs for AT&T USVI and Puerto Rico.
Thank you all for the information and help
 

ejb1980

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Not being blacked out anymore, don't know what happened but all games are coming through for the last month
I was actually going to ask about this, I am glad you posted. I thought there was hope for you based on the (Final?) change to the Directv PR configuration. They shuffled the Directv PR programming again to their final positioning. If I am not mistaken, this is all the pre-work to the MPEG-2 SD shutdown. Directv is stopping broadcasting from the 119 and 110 satellites and the 110 was finally "shut off" recently. 110 was for PR (and you). When they first shuffled the channels to mirror on the CONUS satellites, it appears you lost your locals then like we discussed before. A couple weeks ago, they moved the last channels off 110 and it is not being used anymore. It appears that they fixed whatever was causing the blackouts at that time. Your programming now comes from a spotbeam on the same 101/99/103 satellites that everyone else in the US uses. I assume everyone has a 5 LNB dish in PR/VI (three white eyes on the front). The 3 LNB (one-eye) system should work now. The current programming on the CONUS 119 and 95 is now being mirrored on reverse band for everyone (not sure if that's in test, or if everyone can see it. I don't have RB to see myself).
 
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Last update the guys doing the collection did, the 119 & 95 stuff was still in test, but at the pace they seem to be moving along with this stuff I wouldn't be surprised if it is live by the end of the year.
 
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I asked what happened on the other forum and this is what I was told by a reliable source. The news is not good, but at least this is what happened...

In May, Directv changed the satellites that Directv PR gets your programming from. To be specific, they are getting rid of the 110 satellite. In the move, it appears that they are enforcing the PR and VI local's territory. Directv does not carry the VI locals, so when they started to enforce those rules in May you were blacked out of the PR locals and had nothing to replace them. The mainland DNS (Distant Network Service) is not mirrored to PR/VI so you can't apply for waivers for NY networks.

They also provided a list with with the locals in the Dish system, are these the locals you see at your neighbors with Dish?
8 ABC - pan-Caribbean feed of WENY via WCVI 23.2 Christiansted, VI (incorrectly labeled as an Elmira channel in Dish's lookup)
10 ThisTV - WVFX Charlotte Amalie, VI (incorrectly labeled as a Puerto Rican channel in Dish's lookup)
14 NBC - WVGN Charlotte Amalie, VI (incorrectly labeled as a Puerto Rican channel in Dish's lookup)
18 CBS - Pan-Caribbean feed of WSEE (incorrectly labeled as a Puerto Rican channel in Dish's lookup)
24 Fox - Puerto Rico's WSJP 18.2 (incorrectly labeled by their previous affiliate's callsign WSJX)
60 PBS National Feed

At some point in the next few years, they will have space and it is possible they will add the VI locals on Directv. There is no way to know that now. At any rate, it does not really help you get locals. They only way you will get locals is to try "moving" to PR like I mentioned in an earlier post so they think you're there and won't black out the networks.
Dish recently dropped PBS for the US Virgin Islands.

Waiting for AT&T|DirecTV PR to add Nat Geo Kids Latin America! :D
 

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Hopefully that means we will be getting the networks back on directv in usvi
 

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I didnt think they could drop PBS..its a must carry
According to the other site, the PBS they dropped was the National PBS feed, of which there is NO M/C requirement. It's usually carried for the few (small) local markets that don't have ANY local PBS stations that are considered to be "in-market." (eg: Rockford, IL, Abilene, TX & Palm Springs, CA are some of such markets) And the M/C rules for such markets (still) don't seem to allow carriage of any Sig Viewed or adjacent market PBS's in these orphan markets...so in these cases, the National PBS feed is carried so these markets have a PBS station at all.
 

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Do you guys know of any reason why D can't give us the networks out of puerto Rico.
Just read in the paper local cable company said cw,abc,cbs carrier is looking for 300% fee increase.
Guess i will be watching the superbowl at my neighbor
 

ejb1980

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Do you guys know of any reason why D can't give us the networks out of puerto Rico.
Just read in the paper local cable company said cw,abc,cbs carrier is looking for 300% fee increase.
Guess i will be watching the superbowl at my neighbor
The VI channels claim your area. You never should have had the PR locals to begin with, I don't think. You will have to try to "move" to PR like I said earlier to get them, I highly doubt Directv is going to add the VI locals anytime soon. It's been a while since they've added any markets. It sucks, I know.
 
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