AT&T Just Donated $500,000 to Locast

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Kind of good thing but will it be will affect everything they own DirecTV U-Verse etc or just certain parts of AT&T hmm
 

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They announced recently they were going to support Locast with their TV products, and the article mentions Uverse TV too.

What I wonder is what sort of integration they'll do. If they made it built in and integrated with the guide and able to record just like if you have an AM21/LCC connected it would be a big deal. If it is a separate app you have to run and therefore only able to watch live, it is pretty meh. That's all I expect for now because why invest in something that may not be legal?

At this point they are probably more interested in letting the inevitable court case determine its legality. Their contribution will help insure Locast sticks around long enough to see the end of the court case. Should they win, maybe they would be willing to make the investment to do a proper "guide integrated" setup.
 

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With 13 major DMA Locast coverage now, I'm sure the network and station lawyers have been digging furiously trying to find a loophole in 17 USC 111 they can go to court with. But obviously they haven't found anything yet...
 
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With 13 major DMA Locast coverage now, I'm sure the network and station lawyers have been digging furiously trying to find a loophole in 17 USC 111 they can go to court with. But obviously they haven't found anything yet...
They didn't take Aereo to court in day one. They waited to see if they could even survive on their own, because why spend millions in legal fees on something that bankrupts on its own accord? I'm sure they are biding their time waiting to see if Locast lasts before filing suit. They need to demonstrate harm so filing suit when it only has a few thousand users isn't going to impress the judge as much as filing suit when it has hundreds of thousands of users. Since it is donation based if there are a lot of free riders it might go under and solve the problem for the networks.
 
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They didn't take Aereo to court in day one. They waited to see if they could even survive on their own, because why spend millions in legal fees on something that bankrupts on its own accord? I'm sure they are biding their time waiting to see if Locast lasts before filing suit. They need to demonstrate harm so filing suit when it only has a few thousand users isn't going to impress the judge as much as filing suit when it has hundreds of thousands of users. Since it is donation based if there are a lot of free riders it might go under and solve the problem for the networks.
Hmmmm, let's see, Locast needs a certain level of donations to expand into each city, and so far, that's gotten them into 13 cities with a combined population of almost 35 million. Since beginning the Locast service in NYC about a year and a half ago, Locast has continued to grow with both private and corporate donations. Here's a link to an interesting white paper that was sent to Locast by a reporter. It was reportedly written by lawyers with no connection to and with no input from Locast or creator Sports Fans Coalition NY.

https://www.locast.org/app/uploads/2018/11/Locast-White-Paper.pdf

I forgot to mention in relation to your "day one" comment, you're right, the broadcasters that sued Aereo filed two weeks before the initial NYC launch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...log.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a96f266fa360
 
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Hmmmm, let's see, they need a certain level of donations to expand into each city, and so far, that's gotten them into 13 cities with a combined population of almost 35 million. Since beginning the Locast service in NYC about a year and a half ago, Locast has continued to grow with both private and corporate donations. Here's a link to an interesting white paper that was sent to Locast by a reporter. It was reportedly written by lawyers with no connection to and with no input from Locast or creator Sports Fans Coalition NY.

https://www.locast.org/app/uploads/2018/11/Locast-White-Paper.pdf
Link not working for me.
 

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Once the local stations start losing revenue from cable and satellite companies they will...i.e. first time Charlie drops a local and adds locast on the internet connected hopper as a replacement the fun will begin
Bottom line is they can't find anything illegal in what SFCNY/Locast is doing...
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Once the local stations start losing revenue from cable and satellite companies they will...i.e. first time Charlie drops a local and adds locast on the internet connected hopper as a replacement the fun will begin

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You do know the Locast app is already on the Hopper, don't you? And we already have the option of dropping the sat locals. And ATT has added the app to the DTV and I think U-Verse boxes. Some cable companies have also promoted Locast as a retrans dispute option. I suspect there'll be a lawsuit at some point, but the odds of it succeeding seem to be pretty slim unless the law is changed.
 
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Its when dish stops paying for locals the fun will begin...right now it such a small number using the ap...but when ole chuck stops cutting those checks the real screaming begins
You do know the Locast app is already on the Hopper, don't you? And we already have the option of dropping the sat locals. And ATT has added the app to the DTV and I think U-Verse boxes. Some cable companies have also promoted Locast as a retrans dispute option. I suspect there'll be a lawsuit at some point, but the odds of it succeeding seem to be pretty slim unless the law is changed.
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Its when dish stops paying for locals the fun will begin...right now it such a small number using the ap...but when ole chuck stops cutting those checks the real screaming begins

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Between the Dish option to drop the locals and have Dish install an OTA antenna and the Locast app, Dish is already cutting smaller checks for the sat locals. And now that AT&T has joined in as well, I expect they'll soon be cutting smaller checks as well, although I don't know where they stand on allowing subscribers to drop the sat locals. The big thing Locast is giving the sat and cable companies is leverage in negotiating locals retrans agreements.
 
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Not as much as you think...the digital transition eliminated OTA for many...its estimated only 10% still use OTA...you can't just use rabbit ears like the good ole days...for many anyways...locast isn't HD..yet thats another stumbling block...it comes down to hard cold cash for networks and stations...when the gravy stops the law suits start
Between the Dish option to drop the locals and have Dish install an OTA antenna and the Locast app, Dish is already cutting smaller checks for the sat locals. And now that AT&T has joined in as well, I expect they'll soon be cutting smaller checks as well, although I don't know where they stand on allowing subscribers to drop the sat locals. The big thing Locast is giving the sat and cable companies is leverage in negotiating locals retrans agreements.
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Not as much as you think...the digital transition eliminated OTA for many...its estimated only 10% still use OTA...you can't just use rabbit ears like the good ole days...for many anyways...locast isn't HD..yet thats another stumbling block...it comes down to hard cold cash for networks and stations...when the gravy stops the law suits start

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Actually, those good old rabbit ears work just fine as long as you're within range of the tower. Digital did cut down the coverage area of some stations, but it had nothing to do with what antennas work. Digital or not, RF is still RF. Personally, I haven't had any problem with Locast's PQ, but then I'm not a video "connoisseur" by any means.
 

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If an antenna cant receive a signal...its not gonna work...the type of signal changed...many went from VHF to UHF....low VHF doesn't work well with digital...in analog VHF was the shzammm..now its UHF..which is harder to get in many places...digital is all or nothing..analog could be snowy...it comes down to money...when revenue drops..the screaming starts
Actually, those good old rabbit ears work just fine as long as you're within range of the tower. Digital did cut down the coverage area of some stations, but it had nothing to do with what antennas work. Digital or not, RF is still RF. Personally, I haven't had any problem with Locast's PQ, but then I'm not a video "connoisseur" by any means.
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I don't know what lists you've been looking at, but when the repack is completed, about 25% of all stations will be on VHF, both high and low. And the "type" of signal has not changed, only the modulated format carried by the signal has changed. Digital or analog is irrelevant until the signal reaches the receiver where it's decoded. As long as the receiver sees a strong enough signal in a format it understands, it'll work fine whether the antenna is a 100 element Yagi or a paper clip.
 

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