Bad picture quality on 480i Compaired to OTA Digital 480i

[twodutys]

Just got the RCA DTC210 and was compairing the D* feed of the locals compaired to the OTA Digital feed and there is a lot better quality OTA. Has anyone figured out why? The D* feed is out of focus. I thought they would be the same for 480i.

 

[ShadowEKU]

Overcompression

 

[dfergie]

And its not just D*, all the providers do it...I have E* and D* pq varies from one channel to another.

 

[twodutys]

Overcompression

Wow it's worse than I thought. You don't see it on the little 20"

 

[dfergie]

Wow it's worse than I thought. You don't see it on the little 20"

actually I have a 20" flat screen that I noticed it on first...before I got Hdtv...

 

[charper1]

The OTA signal to you is direct or 1st generation signal and is digital. The SD signal you get from a DBS is not only compressed, but generally is not provided to them in the best or cleanest manner (sometimes not even digital) and it is a multi-generational signal, probably 3rd of 4th generation.

 

[twodutys]

actually I have a 20" flat screen that I noticed it on first...before I got Hdtv...

I guess it just so apparent on the 55". I think Charper1 got it figured out. That would make sense.

 

[Neutron]

You will definately notice it more on a RPTV of that size.

 

[fkostyn]

My ota Analog looks worse than DTV (5 miles from tower) OTA digital obviously looks better than DTV.

My 2cents worth.

 

[charper1]

if you are only 5 miles away and get crappy pictures then you may have mutil-path, antenna is too strong ? you should be golden.

 

[fkostyn]

I live in Phx AZ, land of the crummy TV broadcasts and even worse news anchors Signals just as bad at work for me also!

 

[charper1]

I live at I60 and Val Vista, one any local TV news sux and two the valleys cant help but have issues. My OTA digital and HD is pretty damn good; I would never be caught dead watching OTA analog.

 

[fkostyn]

Exactly.. now if I could get waivers for other than fox e/w I would be happy.

 

[tdti1]

OTA is great looks like my bud some channels look a tad better, and anything looks better than pizza dish crap.

 

[charper1]

Exactly.. now if I could get waivers for other than fox e/w I would be happy.

I know the PHX NBC affiliate is O&O. I don't keep up with who all is O&O but maybe one of the board experts will post this list or link. You shouldn't have any issues getting waivers from O&O affiliates.

 

[fkostyn]

Phoenix area ownerships -

Channel 3 - Ind - Belo Interactive
Channel 5 - CBS - Worldnow
Channel 8 - PBS - ASU
Channel 10 - Fox - Fox owned
Channel 12 - NBC - Gannet Company
Channel 15 - ABC - Scripps Howard
Channel 45 - UPN - Fox/UTV Holdings
Channel 61 - WB - Belo Interactive

 

[GWHD]

While I have compared many of D*'s HD receivers side by side, the Toshiba DST-3100 stands apart from the rest in only this sense, it's 480i component SD up & HD down PQ conversion is pretty awesome while 480i S-Vid SD up & HD down DBS PQ conversion across all current HD receiver models, leaves much to be desired. Prehaps it is more about the receivers ability to perform quality up/down conversion.

Interestingly, I conducted a PQ test with a Samsung S310 which has 480i component. PQ looked as poor as S-Vid on this model, but compared against the DST, you would not believe your on the same DBS service.

 

[charper1]

Have you seen the RCA DTC-210, Sony SAT-HD300 or 200, LG LSS-3200a aka Zenith HD-SAT530 compared to the Toshiba DST-3100? I compared all on the same screen and wonder how or what makes it stand out? It also does not out S-vid & composite simultaneously. It reminds me of the old RCA DTC-100 or Mitsubishi SR-HD boxes but with a few updates from the DST-3000. Has a built in nosiy fan.

 

[GWHD]

The DST-3100 simultaneously outputs RF, S-Vid, composite, & 480i component, correctly scales 480i component to the receivers aspect ratio setting (4:3 or 16:9) while simultaneously converting RF, S-Vid, & composite to 4:3, regardless of receiver aspect ratio setting. In HD 720p / 1080i, SD video outputs are off. If you purchased one in the initial release, Toshiba gladly RMA'd the noisy fan with a silent fan.

With complaints about HD PQ, due to compression, this receiver is a pleasant surprise in 480i component and has a coveted following among DLP HT enthusiasts. Keep in mind it is not a feature rich product and requires the purchase of a 3rd party universal learning remote. It has an icon based station guide which I hated at first, but now, find myself annoyed squinting at text station EPG's. Easily cataloged as an esoteric twlight zone product and certainly not for everyone.

 

[charper1]

The DST-3100 simultaneously outputs RF, S-Vid, composite, & 480i component (SNIP) In HD 720p / 1080i, SD video outputs are off. If you purchased one in the initial release, Toshiba gladly RMA'd the noisy fan with a silent fan.

Thus it DOES NOT have simultaneous outputs. A HUGE drawback.

I am not doubting you like it or that it is a quality receiver, but I think it is a bit of a stretch to say it stands out compared to that list. IMHO