Cinemax penny deal ending??

I just went back thru my online statements.. I had this in my May 09 statement are they really able to say that and then hide behind the "we can change anything we want whenever we want" clause??

I don't think that's the langauge that matters. That's just generic messaging that appeared in almost every bill. I believe the key point is when they actually charge you the penny in the billing portion of your statement.
 
FYI, your Cinemax price didn't go up... Your promotional period ended. :cool:

When I cross that bridge (if ever) I'll be sure to let the forum know...

Btw, I just signed up for Dish (and I was given Cinemax for year/penny ) a few days ago...
I wasn't already signed up for this promotion months ago, (like many in this thread) make sense?

You really think they gave me Cinemax for what? A week/month for a penny, lol?:D
 
I just went back thru my online statements.. I had this in my May 09 statement are they really able to say that and then hide behind the "we can change anything we want whenever we want" clause??

According to Slamminc11, it's OK to screw your customers, so I'm sure DISH probably agrees.
 
My letter just arrived, but it states that Cinemax will renew automatically at $12.95/mo "or less, depending on the number of premiums subscribed to." This means I will have to call to STOP receiving it, it is not being dropped automatically.

I just got the same letter.

WTF?! Why did they start auto-cancelling it after the promotion, and then turn around and do such a customer-unfriendly thing?
 
According to Slamminc11, it's OK to screw your customers, so I'm sure DISH probably agrees.

But Dish isn't screwing anyone. They have a contract with each customer (including me) that states they can change the programming, drop a channel, modify a package, change the pricing at their discretion. Just as I am sure Comcrap does, Direct does, Time Warner does...
 
You know those big, long, boring contractual agreements that hardly anyone bothers to read? It's in there...

Seriously, how many people read this:

DISH Network is happy to answer any questions you may have and to provide you with technical and other customer support. You may contact us 24 hours a day, any day of the year:
Phone: 1-800-333-DISH (3474)
Email: care@dishnetwork.com
Mail: DISH NETWORK CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER
P.O. BOX 9033
LITTLETON, CO 80160
Website: www.dishnetwork.com



For purposes of this Residential Customer Agreement (the "Agreement") and any customer agreement(s) applicable to the promotion(s) under which you are receiving services and/or equipment from DISH Network (each, a "Promotion Agreement"): (i) "you" and "your" refer to you, the DISH Network subscriber; and (ii) "DISH Network," "we," "us" or "our" refer to DISH Network L.L.C. (formerly known as EchoStar Satellite L.L.C.) or, where applicable under the particular circumstances, third-party billing agents.

"DISH Network" is a registered trademark of DISH Network L.L.C.

THIS AGREEMENT, TOGETHER WITH ANY APPLICABLE PROMOTION AGREEMENT, SETS FORTH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH DISH NETWORK WILL PROVIDE ITS SERVICES AND EQUIPMENT TO YOU. THIS AGREEMENT IS EFFECTIVE UNTIL WE CHANGE OR REPLACE IT. IF YOU ARE A NEW DISH NETWORK CUSTOMER, YOUR ACTIVATION OF A DISH NETWORK ACCOUNT AND RECEIPT OF DISH NETWORK SERVICES OR EQUIPMENT SHALL CONSTITUTE YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU ARE AN EXISTING DISH NETWORK CUSTOMER, WE WILL NOTIFY YOU OF ANY CHANGES TO, OR REPLACEMENT OF, THIS AGREEMENT, AND YOUR CONTINUED RECEIPT OF DISH NETWORK SERVICES OR EQUIPMENT FOLLOWING RECEIPT OF SUCH NOTICE SHALL CONSTITUTE YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF SUCH CHANGED OR REPLACED AGREEMENT. IF YOU ARE AN EXISTING CUSTOMER AND DO NOT WISH TO ACCEPT ANY CHANGED OR REPLACED AGREEMENT, YOU MUST NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY AND WE WILL, AT OUR OPTION, EITHER CANCEL YOUR SERVICE OR ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE YOUR SERVICES UNDER THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS AGREEMENT.

1. 1. THE DISH NETWORK SERVICE
1. A. Services Defined. "Services" shall mean all video, audio, data, interactive and other programming services and all other services that are currently available from DISH Network (whether subscription, pay-per-view or otherwise) and that we may provide to customers in the future.
2. B. Minimum Programming Levels. If your applicable Promotion Agreement specifies required minimum programming, you must subscribe to such programming. Otherwise, you must subscribe to one or more of the following programming packages, or we may charge you a Service Access Fee (as detailed in Section 2(D)): DishFAMILY, DishMÉXICO, TurboHD Bronze or a higher version of such packages; a Chinese, Greek, Russian, Polish, Urdu, Arabic, Portuguese, or Hindi language programming package; a combination of Locals Only and one of TV Globo/Record Package, TV Globo a la carte, Israeli Platinum Package, Panorama Italiano, TV Japan, Polish Premium Pack, Bangla Mega Pack, Punjabi Pack, Telugu Pack, Pinoy Mega Pack, German Language Plus Package, or RTVI/RTVI+ Package; or any of their successor packages. We may change such minimum programming requirements at any time.
3. C. Programming Availability. Certain Services, including without limitation, some subscription Services, sporting events and broadcast network Services, may be blacked out in your viewing area; if you circumvent or attempt to circumvent any of these blackouts, you may be subject to legal action. If the location at which you are receiving Services is a wagering location, you are not eligible to receive certain channels, including without limitation, Horse Racing Television (HRTV). You must be at least 18 years of age, or the applicable age of majority where you reside, to order or receive adult-oriented programming services.
4. D. Changing Your Programming Selection. Unless otherwise specified in this Agreement or any applicable Promotion Agreement(s), you may change your programming selection at any time by notifying us. A Transaction Fee (as detailed in Section 2(D)) may apply to such programming changes, unless you are receiving Services and/or Equipment (as defined in Section 4(A)) pursuant to a Promotion Agreement that requires you to pay in full for all Services and/or Equipment prior to receiving such Services and/or Equipment (a "Pre-Pay Promotion").
5. E. Multi-Month Subscriptions. For multi-month subscriptions, you may downgrade your Services only when you renew. You may not downgrade your Services during the term of a multi-month subscription.
6. F. Ordering Pay-Per-View. You may use your remote control and on-screen program guide to order pay-per-view Services through your television if your DISH Network receiver is connected to a land-based telephone line and/or a broadband home network. You may also order DISH Network pay-per-view Services by calling 1-877-DISH-PPV (3474-778) and using our automated system, or speaking with a live operator at one of our customer service centers; in either case, a fee will apply as detailed in Section 2(D). Pre-Pay Promotion customers may only order pay-per-view Services by calling 1-877-DISH-PPV (3473-778).
7. G. Accessing the Internet Through Your Receiver. Some of our receivers can be used to access websites and information on the Internet. Neither DISH Network nor EchoStar Technologies L.L.C. (“EchoStarâ€) has any control over such websites and information, and neither we nor EchoStar make any representations, warranties or guarantees as to the availability or content of such websites and information, including without limitation: (i) the accuracy, availability, sequence, completeness, timeliness, copyright compliance, legality, content, validity, or quality of any such websites or information; or (ii) whether using the software contained in such receivers may result in accessing unintended, inappropriate or objectionable content. We and/or EchoStar may change, limit, suspend, disable and/or remove your ability to access the Internet using your receiver at any time without notice. We and/or EchoStar may also limit or restrict the websites and information that you may access on the Internet using your receiver at any time without notice.
8. H. Private Home Viewing Only. DISH Network provides Services to you solely for viewing, use and enjoyment in your private home. You agree that no Services provided to you will be viewed in areas open to the public, commercial establishments or other residential locations. Services may not be rebroadcast or performed, and admission may not be charged for listening to or viewing any Services. If your Services are viewed in an area open to the public, a commercial establishment or another residential location, we may disconnect your Services and, in addition to all other applicable fees, you must pay us the difference between the price actually paid for Services and the full applicable rate for such Services, regardless of whether we have the right to distribute such Services in such other location.
9. I. Changes in Services Offered We may add, delete, rearrange and/or change any and all programming, programming packages and other Services that we offer, as well as the prices and fees related to such programming, programming packages and Services, at any time, including without limitation, during any term commitment period to which you have agreed. If a change affects you, we will notify you of such change and its effective date. In the event that we delete, rearrange or change any programming, programming packages or other Services, we have no obligation to replace or supplement such programming, programming packages or other Services. You are not entitled to any refund because of a deletion, rearrangement or change of any programming, programming packages or other Services.
10. J. Promotional Offers and Items. If a third party, such as an independent DISH Network retailer, integrator or private cable operator, offered you a promotional offer or item in connection with your subscription to the Services, such third party is wholly responsible for fulfilling such promotional offer or providing such promotional item, and DISH Network is not in any way responsible for such fulfillment.
2. 2. BILLING POLICIES AND PAYMENTS FOR SERVICES
1. A. Payments. You agree to pay all amounts billed for Services, as well as all taxes, fees and other charges, if any, that are now or may in the future be assessed in connection with any Services you receive from us, and any other charges due and owing to us. State and local taxes or reimbursement charges for gross earnings taxes imposed on satellite providers for transmission of programming in some states may apply. Unless you prepay for a multi-month subscription to Services or prepay for all Services as required by your participation in a Pre-Pay Promotion, we will bill you monthly in advance for most Services and in arrears for other Services such as pay-per-view ordered by you or anyone who uses your Equipment, whether with or without your permission, until you cancel your Services. Multi-month subscription customers and Pre-Pay Promotion customers will be billed based on your pre-pay period (multi-month subscriptions) or monthly (Pre-Pay Promotion customers), and must make all payments in advance of the due date on your bill in order to continue receiving your Services; you must also pre-pay for all other Services, such as pay-per-view, ordered by you or anyone who uses your Equipment, whether with or without your permission.
2. B. Billing Policies Your bills will show the total amount due, the payment due date, payments, credits, purchases and other charges to your account. You may submit your payment by mail, on our website, through our AutoPay program, by calling a DISH Network customer service representative, or by any other means that we designate. Partial payments will be applied first to the oldest outstanding bill. You must make your payment regardless of whether you receive a bill. We do not assume the risk of undelivered mail. If you send checks or money orders marked with a designation such as "payment in full," we can accept them without waiving any of our rights, including without limitation, our rights to collect any other amounts owed by you, notwithstanding your characterization of such payment. DISH Network does not extend credit to our customers, and the Late Payment Fee (as detailed in Section 2(D)) is not interest, a credit service charge or a finance charge. Certain fees and charges may apply in certain circumstances to your payment for the Services, including without limitation, those set forth in Section 2(D).
3. C. Alterations to Payment Terms. If you pay for a monthly subscription (other than a Pre-Pay Promotion) and your account is past due on more than one occasion, we may require that you pay for all Services and Equipment before you receive them, and you will be deemed to be receiving your Service under a Pre-Pay Promotion, at which point, all terms and conditions of such Pre-Pay Promotion will apply to you. If you paid for a multi-month subscription to any Services and your account is past due for any amount, we may convert your multi-month subscription to a monthly subscription, and we will first apply the amount you paid for your multi-month subscription to any past due amounts and then to any obligations you incur in the future.
4. D. Fees. In addition to any amounts due for your Services and any other amounts due under this Agreement or any applicable Promotion Agreement, you agree to pay the fees listed below (“Feesâ€) if and when applicable. DISH Network may change these Fees, increase or decrease these Fees, or impose additional Fees at any time upon notice to you. Discounts on certain monthly fees may be available from time to time if you subscribe to certain programming packages and/or use certain Equipment. Additional fees may apply for non-standard installations or if you upgrade your Equipment after installation.
5.



Monthly Fees
Type of Fee Amount Description of When Fee Applies
Additional Receiver Fee $7.00 You have more than 1 receiver on your account. Per additional high definition (HD) receiver.
$5.00 You have more than 1 receiver on your account. Per additional standard definition (SD) receiver.
Alaska Dish 500AK Upgrade Fee $4.99 You receive Services in Alaska.
DishHOME Protection Plan $5.99 You participate in the DishHOME Protection Plan.
DISH Pause $5.00 You are eligible for and participtate in DISH Pause.
DVR Service Fee $5.98 You purchase or lease a digital video recording receiverand you do not subscribe to a "with DVR" programming package.
Hawaii Dish 500H Upgrade Fee $4.99 You receive Services in Hawaii.
TV2 Receiver Connection Fee $5.00 You purchase or lease a dual-tuner receiver and it is not connected to a phone line and/or a broadband home network.
Service Access Fee $6.00 You do not subscribe to applicable required minimum programming.



Transactional Fees
Type of Fee Amount Description of When Fee Applies
Check by Phone Fee $9.99 You make a personal check payment using our automated phone system or through our customer service center.
External Hard Drive Activation Fee $39.99 One time fee charged if you have a ViP receiver and you choose to connect an external hard drive to that receiver.
Late Payment Fee $5.00 You do not pay your bill in full on or before its due date (unless you are receiving Services pursuant to a Pre-Pay Promotion).
Live Operator Payment Fee $5.00 You make a debit or credit card payment through a DISH Network customer service representative (unless you are receiving Services pursuant to a Pre-Pay Promotion).
Mobile Fee $20.00 You would like the ability to order pay-per-view Services at any time without a phone line connected to your receiver. Charged annually.
Pay-Per-View Automated Fee $1.50 You use our automated telephone system to order DISH Network pay-per-view Services.
Pay-Per-View Live Operator Fee $5.00 You call one of our customer service centers to order DISH Network pay-per-view Services.
Restart Fee $25.00 We disconnect your Services for any reason and you wish to restart such Services (unless you are receiving Services pursuant to a Pre-Pay Promotion).
$5.00 If you are a Pre-Pay Promotion customer, we disconnect your Services for any reason, and you wish to restart such Services.
Returned Payment Fee $10.00 You make an EFT or check payment to DISH Network and it is subsequently returned.
Shipping and Handling Fee $14.95 DISH Network delivers hardware to you via regular delivery. (An additional $10 Extended Delivery Fee applies to Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, or the U.S. Virgin Islands.)
$5.95 DISH Network delivers a remote control to you via regular delivery. (An additional $10 Extended Delivery Fee applies to Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, or the U.S. Virgin Islands.)
$8.95 DISH Network delivers an accessory to you via regular delivery. (An additional $7 Extended Delivery Fee applies to Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, or the U.S. Virgin Islands.)
$24.95 DISH Network delivers an item to you via overnight delivery (not available in Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, or the U.S. Virgin Islands.)
Smart Card Replacement Fee $50.00 We replace your Smart Card because it was lost, damaged, defective or stolen, as long as there is no evidence of unauthorized tampering or modification.
Statement Request Fee $2.00 You request a copy of a previous billing statement.
Transaction Fee $5.00 You change your programming selection (but not regarding adult programming).
$10.00 Changes to your programming selection include adult programming.


6. E. Restarting your Services. If you do not pay your bill in full by its due date, or you at any time otherwise fail, neglect or refuse to make timely payment for your Services, we may disconnect your Services, and in such event we will be wholly relieved from any and all of our duties and obligations under this Agreement. If your Services are disconnected for non-payment or any other reason, DISH Network may require that you pay, and you agree to pay, before we reconnect your Services, all past due charges, a Restart Fee, a deposit equal to a minimum of two months’ service charges (or in the case of a restart under a Pre-Pay Promotion, one month’s service charges), and all outstanding balances accrued through the date of such disconnection. If your Services are disconnected for non-payment or any other reason, you will no longer be eligible, even if you pay to restart your Service, to receive any remaining credits or promotional pricing that you would have been eligible to receive had your Services not been disconnected. Unless required by applicable law, deposits will not be held segregated from other funds and will not earn or accrue interest. Promotional pricing is valid only at the time of installation.
7. F. Attorneys' Fees/Collections If we use an attorney or a collection agency to collect any money you owe us or to assert any other right that we may have against you, including without limitation, any breach of any agreement you may have with DISH Network or one of our affiliates, you agree to pay the reasonable costs of such collection or other action. These costs may include, without limitation, the costs of a collection agency, reasonable attorneys’ fees and court costs. If you believe you have been billed in error or you would like to make any other requests for a billing statement credit, you must contact our customer service center by telephone or in writing within twenty (20) days after the date you receive the bill for which you are seeking correction. Failure to timely notify us of a dispute will constitute your acceptance of the corresponding bill. You must pay undisputed portions of any billing statement before the next billing statement is issued or you must pay a Late Payment Fee. All payments for Services must be made directly by you to us, unless we authorize otherwise; for example, DISH Network shall have no obligation to provide Services for which payment is made by you to a third party or payment is made by a third party on your behalf.
8. G. Billing Agent Payments Different or other payment and billing terms, conditions, options and fees may apply when billing is provided through a third-party billing agent, including without limitation, a local telephone company.
3. 3. CANCELLATION OF SERVICE
1. A. Continuation of Services. Your subscription to Services will automatically renew until you cancel your Services or we otherwise disconnect your Services, in each case as provided herein or in any applicable Promotion Agreement.
2. B. Cancellation Policies. You may cancel your Services for any reason at any time by notifying us at the phone number, e-mail address or mailing address set forth at the top of this Agreement. Please be aware that certain promotions have an optional or mandatory term commitment period and if you cancel your Services prior to the expiration of an applicable optional or mandatory term commitment period, certain early termination or cancellation fees may apply.
3. C. Disconnection of Services. In addition to all other rights that DISH Network may have to disconnect your Services, DISH Network may disconnect your Services at any time without notifying you if: (i) you fail to pay any bill in full when it is due; (ii) we receive confirmation that you have received Services, or any part of the Services, without paying for them; (iii) you otherwise violate the terms and conditions of this Agreement or any applicable Promotion Agreement; (iv) you transfer, encumber or relocate any leased Equipment (unless you relocate such Equipment as part of a residential move into an area within which you can permissibly continue to receive such Services); (v) you assign or attempt to assign any of your rights, duties or obligations under this Agreement or any applicable Promotion Agreement; (vi) you are receiving Services through a third-party billing agent and become ineligible to receive applicable services provided by such third-party billing agent; or (vii) you commence any act or filing of bankruptcy or bankruptcy proceedings are commenced against you.
4. D. No Credits. If your Services are cancelled or disconnected for any reason, you still must pay all outstanding balances accrued, including without limitation, any applicable fees. Except in certain limited circumstances, charges for Services, once charged to your account, are non-refundable, and no refunds or credits will be provided in connection with the cancellation of Services. If you received a discounted price due to a promotion, and you cancel prior to any applicable expiration of that promotion, you are not entitled to any refund or credit for the unused portions of such discounted price. If you received a discounted price in exchange for your agreement to pay for your Services on a multi-month basis, and you cancel your Services prior to the expiration of your multi-month subscription, you are not entitled to any refund or credit for the unused portions of your multi-month subscription.
4. 4. EQUIPMENT
1. A. Equipment. In order to receive Services you must purchase or lease certain reception equipment consisting primarily of a DISH Network compatible satellite receiver(s) and applicable Smart Card(s), remote control(s), satellite antenna(s), and low noise block converter(s) with integrated feed(s) (collectively, "Equipment").
2. B. Additional Tuners and Receivers. We may choose to allow you to place additional receivers on your account. If we allow you to do so, each additional receiver will be authorized to receive the same Services as your initial receiver, subject to the limitations of your television equipment. All of your receivers must be located at the same residence and continuously connected to the same land-based telephone line and/or broadband home network. If you wish to receive Services at two different residential locations, you must open a separate account for each location, unless otherwise specifically authorized by Dish Network. You may not directly or indirectly use a single account for the purpose of authorizing Services for multiple DISH Network receivers that are not all located in the same residence and connected to the same land-based telephone line and/or broadband home network. If we later determine that you did, we may disconnect your Services and, in addition to all other applicable fees, you agree to pay us the difference between the amounts actually received by us and the full retail price for the Services authorized for each DISH Network receiver on your account.
3. C. Smart Cards. Receiver(s) are equipped with a conditional access card (“Smart Cardâ€) inserted into a slot or otherwise installed in such receiver. Not all receivers with a Smart Card slot require a Smart Card for proper authorization. Smart Cards remain the property of DISH Network at all times and must be returned to us upon our request. Smart Cards are not transferable. Your Smart Card will only work in the DISH Network receiver to which it was assigned by DISH Network. If you report to our customer service center that your Smart Card has been lost, damaged, defective or stolen, we will replace it, unless there is evidence of unauthorized tampering or modification, and a Smart Card Replacement Fee will apply. In addition, in order to minimize downtime for your Equipment, DISH Network will, upon your request, deliver a replacement Smart Card to you via overnight delivery, in which case an Overnight Delivery Fee will apply.
4. D. PVR/DVR. DISH Network’s personal video recorder/digital video recorder (“PVR/DVRâ€) products allow you to record programming in digital format. Total available recording time varies depending on your receiver and the nature of the programs being recorded. DISH Network does not guarantee access to or recording of any particular programming, or that any such programming will not be deleted from your PVR/DVR product. Most programming is the copyrighted material of the third party that supplies it; is protected by copyright and other applicable laws; and may not be reproduced, published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed without the written permission of the third party that supplied it (except as permitted by the “fair use†provisions of the U.S. copyright laws).
5. E. Telephone/Broadband Connection. To optimize the operation of your Equipment, you must continuously connect each DISH Network receiver on your account to the same land-based telephone line and/or a broadband home network. Failure to connect each receiver to the same land-based telephone line and/or a broadband home network may result in interruption or disconnection of Services. We may charge you a TV2 Receiver Connection Fee for each dual-tuner receiver that is not connected to the same land-based telephone line and/or a broadband home network.
6. F. Receiver Alterations. DISH Network may, through periodic downloads, alter the software, features and/or functionality in your DISH Network receivers; provide data and content to PVR/DVR products; store and remove data and content on the hard drives of PVR/DVR products; and send electronic counter-measures to your DISH Network receivers. DISH Network will use commercially reasonable efforts to schedule these downloads to minimize interference with or interruption to your Services, but shall have no liability to you for any interruptions in Services arising out of or related to such downloads. DISH Network may from time to time cease supporting one or more DISH Network receiver models.
7. G. Proprietary Components and Software. DISH Network receivers and Smart Cards contain components and software that are proprietary to DISH Network and its licensors. You agree that you will not try to reverse-engineer, decompile or disassemble, nor will you tamper with or modify, any software or hardware contained within any receiver or Smart Card. Such actions are strictly prohibited and may result in the termination of this Agreement, disconnection of your Services and/or legal action.
8. H. Software License. You are licensed to use the software provided in your DISH Network receiver(s), as updated by DISH Network, its licensors and/or its suppliers from time to time, solely in executable code form, solely in conjunction with lawful operation of the DISH Network receiver(s) that you purchased or leased, and solely for the purposes permitted under this Agreement. You may not copy, modify or transfer any software provided in your DISH Network receiver(s), or any copy of such software, in whole or in part. You may not reverse-engineer, disassemble, decompile or translate such software, or otherwise attempt to derive its source code, except to the extent allowed under any applicable laws. You may not rent, lease, load, resell for profit or distribute any software provided in your DISH Network receiver(s), or any part thereof. Such software is licensed, not sold, to you for use only under the terms and conditions of this license, and DISH Network, its licensors and its suppliers reserve all rights not expressly granted to you. Except as stated above, this license does not grant to you any intellectual property rights in the software provided in your DISH Network receiver(s). Any attempt to transfer any of the rights, duties or obligations of this license is null and void. If you breach any term or condition of this license, this license will automatically terminate.
9. I. Stolen Equipment. If any of your Equipment is stolen or otherwise removed from your premises without your authorization, you must notify our customer service center by telephone or in writing immediately, but in any event not later than three (3) business days after such removal, to avoid liability for payment for unauthorized use of your Equipment. You will not be liable for unauthorized use that occurs after we have received your notification.
5. 5. LEASED EQUIPMENT
1. A. Lease Terms. We may choose to lease certain Equipment to subscribers. Unless otherwise specified in an applicable Promotion Agreement(s), such Equipment (including without limitation, the LNBFs, but not the satellite antenna), shall at all times remain the sole and exclusive property of DISH Network, and we may provide or replace leased Equipment with new or reconditioned Equipment at any time, and upon cancellation or disconnection of your Services, remove or require the return of such Equipment. No leased Equipment provided to you by DISH Network shall be deemed fixtures or part of your real property. We may make such filings and recordings that we may consider necessary to evidence our ownership rights in such Equipment, and you agree to execute any and all documents that we may consider necessary for us to make such filings. Our ownership of such Equipment may be displayed by notice contained on it. You have no right at any time to pledge, sell, mortgage, otherwise encumber, give away, remove, relocate, alter or tamper with such Equipment, or to tamper with or alter any notice of our ownership on such Equipment. Any reinstallation, return, or change in the location of such Equipment must be performed by DISH Network at our then-current service rates. You shall not attach any electrical or other devices to, or in any way alter, any such Equipment without our prior written consent. You are responsible for preventing the loss or destruction of leased Equipment and we recommend that such Equipment be covered by your homeowners, renters or other insurance policy.
2. B. Return of Leased Equipment. Upon cancellation or disconnection of your Services, you must contact our customer service center or call the telephone number set forth in any applicable Promotion Agreement to schedule the return of your leased Equipment. If you do not return such Equipment undamaged and in working order, normal wear and tear excepted, you are responsible and must pay us certain charges as described in any applicable Promotion Agreement.
3. C. Defects and Damages. You must notify us immediately of any defect in, damage to, or accident involving your leased Equipment. All maintenance and repair of such Equipment must be performed by us or our designee(s). DISH Network may charge you for any repairs that are necessitated by any damage to, or misuse of, such Equipment.
6. 6. TRANSFER OF ACCOUNT, SERVICES OR EQUIPMENT
1. DISH Network may sell, assign or transfer your account to a third party without notifying you. You may not assign or transfer your Services without our written consent, which will not be unreasonably withheld. We may, however, refuse to allow you to assign or transfer your Services if you lease Equipment or your account has an outstanding balance.
7. 7. LIMITATION OF OUR LIABILITY
1. A. INTERRUPTIONS AND DELAYS. NEITHER WE NOR OUR THIRD-PARTY BILLING AGENTS, NOR ANY OF OUR OR THEIR AFFILIATES, WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY INTERRUPTION IN ANY SERVICE OR FOR ANY DELAY OR FAILURE TO PERFORM, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION: IF SUCH INTERRUPTION, DELAY OR FAILURE TO PERFORM ARISES IN CONNECTION WITH THE TERMINATION OR SUSPENSION OF DISH NETWORK’S ACCESS TO ALL OR ANY PORTION OF SERVICES; THE RELOCATION OF ALL OR ANY PORTION OF THE SERVICES TO DIFFERENT SATELLITE(S); A CHANGE IN THE FEATURES AVAILABLE WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT; ANY SOFTWARE OR OTHER DOWNLOADS INITIATED BY US; OR ANY ACTS OF GOD, FIRES, EARTHQUAKES, FLOODS, POWER OR TECHNICAL FAILURE, SATELLITE OR UPLINK FAILURE, ACTS OF ANY GOVERNMENTAL BODY OR ANY OTHER CAUSE BEYOND OUR REASONABLE CONTROL.
2. B. ALTERATIONS TO EQUIPMENT. NONE OF DISH NETWORK, ECHOSTAR OR OUR THIRD-PARTY BILLING AGENTS, OR ANY OF OUR OR THEIR AFFILIATES, WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY ALTERATION TO ANY EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, REMOVING OR DISABLING FEATURES (SUCH AS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THE INTERNET VIA A RECEIVER).
3. C. LOSS OF RECORDED MATERIAL. NEITHER WE NOR OUR THIRD-PARTY BILLING AGENTS NOR ANY OF OUR OR THEIR AFFILIATES WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGE RESULTING FROM LOSS OF RECORDED MATERIAL OR THE PREVENTION OF RECORDING, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY LOSS OR PREVENTION OF RECORDING DUE TO ANY FAULT, FAILURE, DEFICIENCY OR DEFECT IN SERVICES OR EQUIPMENT.
4. D. NO WARRANTIES. EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED TO THE CONTRARY BY APPLICABLE STATE LAW, NEITHER WE NOR OUR THIRD-PARTY BILLING AGENTS, NOR ANY OF OUR OR THEIR AFFILIATES, MAKE ANY WARRANTY, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, REGARDING YOUR DISH NETWORK EQUIPMENT OR ANY OTHER EQUIPMENT OR ANY SERVICES FURNISHED TO YOU. ALL SUCH WARRANTIES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ARE HEREBY EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMED AND EXCLUDED.
5. E. CONTENT RESTRICTIONS. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO IMPOSE ANY PROGRAMMING, INTERNET OR OTHER CONTENT RESTRICTIONS ON YOURSELF, MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY AND HOUSEHOLD, AND GUESTS, AS YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE. NONE OF DISH NETWORK, ECHOSTAR, OUR THIRD-PARTY BILLING AGENTS, OR OUR AND THEIR AFFILIATES SHALL HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO ANYONE DUE TO, OR BASED UPON, ANY CONTENT (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY INACCURACIES, ERRORS IN, OR OMISSIONS FROM SUCH CONTENT): (i) CONTAINED IN ANY OF THE SERVICES FURNISHED TO YOU; OR (ii) ACCESSED USING THE SERVICES OR EQUIPMENT FURNISHED TO YOU.
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8. H. Other. No salesperson, installer, customer service representative, authorized retailer, or other similarly situated individual is authorized to change or override this Agreement. DISH Network may, however, change this Agreement at any time and will notify you if that occurs. The terms and conditions of this Agreement that either are expressly stated to survive or by their nature would logically be expected to survive its expiration or termination will continue thereafter. This Agreement is in addition to any other written agreement(s), if any, between you and DISH Network, including without limitation, any applicable Promotion Agreement, and except as provided to the contrary herein, all such written agreements shall remain in full force and effect. Except as expressly set forth in this Agreement to the contrary, this Agreement replaces and supersedes any and all prior DISH Network Residential Customer Agreements in their entirety, and such prior DISH Network Residential Customer Agreements shall be of no further force or effect whatsoever. In the event of any ambiguity between this Agreement and any applicable Promotion Agreement, DISH Network shall have the sole and exclusive authority to interpret and/or make a final determination concerning any issue arising from such ambiguity.
 
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A contract that can be changed arbitrarily and unilaterally doesn't sound like much of a contract to me. If there was any rationality left in our legal system, the customer would be able to get out of such an abomination at any time without penalty. Instead, the law protects the "rights" of corporations -- wherever that idea ever came from, I have no idea -- even if they destroy the rights of individuals.
 
AHH, but grasshopper, they are not changing the contract, they are changing the programming, which is fully allowed in the contract.

Cinemax for a penny is a special promotion, and as such it is a perk, not standard programming, a serendipity, like monthly preview channels.

I enjoy pecan pie at Thanksgiving and Christmas but don't throw a fit of we do not have it 24/7/365 (but that's an idea, hmmm...)
 
AHH, but grasshopper, they are not changing the contract, they are changing the programming, which is fully allowed in the contract.

Cinemax for a penny is a special promotion, and as such it is a perk, not standard programming, a serendipity, like monthly preview channels.

I enjoy pecan pie at Thanksgiving and Christmas but don't throw a fit of we do not have it 24/7/365 (but that's an idea, hmmm...)

yes, but is part of the issue that folks are dismissive of a penny? ie. if they charged you $50 for the "promotion" for "a year" (which _would_ be a promotion in the sense that it would be a >50% discount) and then tried to cancel after 4 weeks (without a refund), might folks sing a different tune?

On a fundamental level tho is $50 any different than a penny in a contract (other than perhaps its hard to refund a pro-rated amount :) )

The fact that they do charge for it, makes it interesting (IMO), but that could be a Sarbanes-Oxley (spelling I'm sure) thing (which is why Apple was charging stupidly token amts for certain updates)
 
Automatically renew at the $12.99 price!

My letter just arrived, but it states that Cinemax will renew automatically at $12.95/mo "or less, depending on the number of premiums subscribed to." This means I will have to call to STOP receiving it, it is not being dropped automatically.


I also received the same letter with the statement that:

“Cinemax will renew automatically at $12.95/mo - or less depending on the number of premiums you subscribed to”

Also on my statement of December 7th it states that:

“Starting with the next billing statement my account will reflect the low programming price of $12.99 a month for Cinemax”

In addition, the statement also shows a charge of .01 cent for the 1 YR Cinemax Penny Offer. :confused:

So as far as the automatic cancelling of the 1 penny Cinemax offer as others have been saying, the wording on both the letter and the statement gives me the impression that it will automatically renew at the $12.99 price!

So much for auto cancel!

It’s amazing the different wordings on E-mail, letters and messages on statements that others have been receiving?:confused:

I'll be checking next month's statement for sure.
 
My last bill, dated Nov 24, states the Cinemax deal has ended, yet they charged me another penny on this same bill.

I received a letter last week or so and it stated the deal was over. The letter also said Cinemax was removed from my account and to call to have it added back.

I checked my account online and Cinemax is still on my account, the italizied blurb is still there stating to call DISH if I want to make changes to the Cinemax for a penny promotion.

So far I am still watching Cinemax and no idea when it is supposed to go away and whether it is automatic or I have to cancel.

This is not being handled well by DISH and I suspect I will be calling or chating in the near future to have it removed, argue with a CSR about the downgrade fee and the credit for the $12.99 they will surely charge before this is over.
 
But Dish isn't screwing anyone. They have a contract with each customer (including me) that states they can change the programming, drop a channel, modify a package, change the pricing at their discretion. Just as I am sure Comcrap does, Direct does, Time Warner does...

That's not a either/or concept.

They are doing both. They are screwing us with the contract we signed.

Legally, they are in the right.

Ethically? Well, seems like they aren't winning a lot of good will or karma points.
 
I got a letter today, the same letter everyone is getting. Dish will automatically remove the station when the contract ends. Thank God! I don't have to call the number and get a $5 charge for removing channels.
 
I got a letter today, the same letter everyone is getting. Dish will automatically remove the station when the contract ends. Thank God! I don't have to call the number and get a $5 charge for removing channels.

If you read a few posts above, you will see that not everyone is receiving the same type of letter.
 
So the automatic removal letters are still coming out even after the automatic renewal ones showed up? Wow, that's truly screwed up. (And yes, my current billing statement also charges me the penny for another year...)

Dish's billing system and everyone responsible for it need to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
 
My last bill, dated Nov 24, states the Cinemax deal has ended, yet they charged me another penny on this same bill.

I received a letter last week or so and it stated the deal was over. The letter also said Cinemax was removed from my account and to call to have it added back.

I checked my account online and Cinemax is still on my account, the italizied blurb is still there stating to call DISH if I want to make changes to the Cinemax for a penny promotion.

So far I am still watching Cinemax and no idea when it is supposed to go away and whether it is automatic or I have to cancel.

This is not being handled well by DISH and I suspect I will be calling or chating in the near future to have it removed, argue with a CSR about the downgrade fee and the credit for the $12.99 they will surely charge before this is over.


I just received this same letter stating that Cinemax has been shut off from my account and to go online if I want to turn it back on....which is funny since it is still active on my account. This is the 2nd letter I have received from Dish in as many months about this.

As mentioned in a previous post, it appears from my bill that I was charged another penny on December 9th and the promotion was renewed for another year.

It would be nice if they would just let us know what date they are actually shutting off the channels. Considering Dish already thinks they have turned them off for me, maybe I'm good for another year (until 12/9/10). I don't want to ask a CSR because I am conerned they may try to "correct" the mistake and shut off the channels when I call.

It's amazing how a company can screw up something so simple.
 

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