Deal with NPS to "save" distants on DISH!

[Robert NTSC Archivist]

Is that why I haven't lost my DNS yet, because they come out of Atlanta?

I dont that has any thing to do with it at all. I think a few people have slipped threw the crack for now. Your lucky

From what I was told they have nothing to do with Dish and are the ones responsible for anything that goes wrong with those channels.

So if Atlanta is screwed up you call them, If WWOR is acrewd up you call Dish Network.

 

[joeg]

They are having trouble with the Atlanta stations which are offically down at the moment. I only know this as they called be back about an hour ago and told me I have been approved for ABC and that it was being added to my channel line up.

The lady told me that this happened very quickly in the last two days and now they are trying to make everything work.

Its nice I did not even request a waiver for ABC but they got one for me any way. A pity I would rather have gotten a waiver for CBS though

First off, I would like to say hello to everyone and thank God that I found this forum. I just called and they said that I qualified for ABC but not the others. The lady did say that they would put in waivers on my behalf for the other networks and that I should check back in 30 days. BTW, I just checked and both ABC's are up and running but one of the feeds channel #5735 has a picture but no sound. Anybody else have this problem?

 

[rockymtnhigh]

Which makes me wonder about the level of desperation of the plaintiffs when they must resort to an internet gab and speculation thread to bolster their argument.

I don't know; I think it was a smart move. the recap provided a text explaination fo the entire chat with audio to boot. Given the time constraints of trying to get something out, it seems like they saw an opportunity to bolster their argument and took it.

I also would NOT be surprised at all to see the judge find E* and CHarlie in contempt. Its kind of a blatant attempt to circumvent the injunction. The same Dish receiver is going to receive channels that Dish is legally barred from providing.

Don't get me wrong -- I WANT E* to win; I just think its a risky move.

 

[Chris Walker]

Is that why I haven't lost my DNS yet, because they come out of Atlanta?

No, Dish has until midnight today to get everyone turned off. You will lose yours by midnight.

 

[Tampa8]

I don't know; I think it was a smart move. the recap provided a text explaination fo the entire chat with audio to boot. Given the time constraints of trying to get something out, it seems like they saw an opportunity to bolster their argument and took it.

I also would NOT be surprised at all to see the judge find E* and CHarlie in contempt. Its kind of a blatant attempt to circumvent the injunction. The same Dish receiver is going to receive channels that Dish is legally barred from providing.

Don't get me wrong -- I WANT E* to win; I just think its a risky move.

I think you will find even those of us who think this will work in the end, would say this is risky, but that is how Charlie works.

 

[Robert NTSC Archivist]

You gotta give the guy credit for trying though. I wonder how long it will take to shut off Atlanta and San Francisco if a ruling comes.

Are they in court today or is this an issue for another time and place

 

[joeg]

BTW, I just checked and both ABC's are up and running but one of the feeds channel #5735 has a picture but no sound. Anybody else have this problem?

Never mind that is the Atlanta feed that is having problems.

 

[JimDB]

How do you get in AAD's database, they don't have my information from Dish.
I'm 70 miles from Boston with a 120 mile antenna up 30' with a mountain in the way, had waivers from NBC, CBS & FOX. Due to being in a white zone.

 

[cj9788]

The white zone is the immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. No stopping in the red zone!

Sorry I could not resist.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

WOW what a deal buster then if that is the case! If that is not the case then is there going to be a $4.99 additional outlet fee charged for each additional receiver/tuner? If so then they are in fact tied in with Dish Network somehow which goes against the court order I would think unless I am wrong somehow. If they do not charge this fee to Dish Network subscribers but charge the $4.99 additional access fee to those that is NOT a Dish Network subscriber then they are tied to them in some way. This means that they have to either charge for those channels per receiver or per account and if its per receiver then Dish Network subscribers will NOT want to pay $9 per receiver/tuner as it would just be cheaper to switch to Directv, or they cannot charge the additional outlet fee even if you have 6 or 8 receivers. How about that DVR fee? They cannot charge for that either unless they are tied to Dish Network because that is a Dish Network fee. Am I right or am I wrong with what I am saying? Or can Dish Network in fact charge those fees since it is their receivers that are being used?

Another post indicates that is NOT the case, but it clearly shows the Chinese Wall is down which will no doubt be the downfall of the idea.

 

[Tampa8]

Another post indicates that is NOT the case, but it clearly shows the Chinese Wall is down which will no doubt be the downfall of the idea.

Here is how I would answer that if I were Dishnetwork.

You are free to get another piece of equipment, such as a C band antenna and get the distants from a provider, in this case NPS. If you want to use a piece of Dishnetwork equipment, we charge a $4.99 fee for the cost of us providing a card, and other services associated with the running of the box thru our system.

I am interested in knowing what happens if someone only subscribes to Sky Angel. Is that done thru Dish CSR'S or contacting Sky Angel directly. If you contact Sky Angel directly and do not subscribe to any Dish programming, I would expect they charge a fee to use their box for that also.

Depending on how it is done, I don't see this "clearly being the Chinese Wall" coming down.

 

[levibluewa]

emails to support@mydistantnetworks.com are still bouncing back...anyone else have better luck ?

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Here is how I would answer that if I were Dishnetwork.

You are free to get another piece of equipment, such as a C band antenna and get the distants from a provider, in this case NPS. If you want to use a piece of Dishnetwork equipment, we charge a $4.99 fee for the cost of us providing a card, and other services associated with the running of the box thru our system.

I am interested in knowing what happens if someone only subscribes to Sky Angel. Is that done thru Dish CSR'S or contacting Sky Angel directly. If you contact Sky Angel directly and do not subscribe to any Dish programming, I would expect they charge a fee to use their box for that also.

Depending on how it is done, I don't see this "clearly being the Chinese Wall" coming down.

You have already indicated so many breaches in the wall in your last few posts, if true, it doesn't matter what they answer.

They cannot compare with Dish's database for any service info or the Chinese Wall is down.

Dish has supposedly leased the transponder space out and claims NPS is doing everything themselves.

 

[Hall]

Dish has supposedly leased the transponder space out and claims NPS is doing everything themselves.

And along the lines of Dish authorizing the smart-cards / receivers, it will be convenient for Dish when/if the time comes that they're legally allowed to offer distant networks for Dish to shut off the NPS feeds to the smart-cards / receivers. They want those customers back, of course. That's $3-5 million per month in add'l revenue ! How will they end this, claim the "contract" or agreement with NPS has ended ?? Ooops, can't say that, 'cause there's not one.

 

[kanebear]

You never deal with Dish if you only sub to Sky Angel. Similarly, you never deal with Dish if you only want to subscribe to NPS. I may test this later. I have a 942 for my father that was never activated and is still sitting in storage (don't ask... ) I may go dig it out, connect it up, call NPS and see what happens. If all is as it should be, the fact that it's never been used for an Echostar sub shouldn't matter.

As for the multiple receiver fee, that's an NPS issue and has zero to do with Dish. Again, if all is as it should be, they will never interact beyond the level of uplink and sat-space provider. As has been said, if NPS is looking at Dish's customer database, that blows the entire premise of an unrelated third party out of the water.

If the legislation passes and Dish gets the ability back to offer DNS, I don't see them turning off NPS. NPS may choose to discontinue the service due to lack of profitability but there's all SORTS of problems with E* pulling the plug. I doubt they'd be that stupid anyway. If anything they'd wait until the lease was up and jack the lease rate through the roof.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

You never deal with Dish if you only sub to Sky Angel. Similarly, you never deal with Dish if you only want to subscribe to NPS. I may test this later. I have a 942 for my father that was never activated and is still sitting in storage (don't ask... ) I may go dig it out, connect it up, call NPS and see what happens. If all is as it should be, the fact that it's never been used for an Echostar sub shouldn't matter.

I know of some people that have a stb blacklisted by Dish - who are also planning to test this - which should also be interesting.

 

[Chris Walker]

emails to support@mydistantnetworks.com are still bouncing back...anyone else have better luck ?

Is this the reply address from the "there are significant problems with our qualifications system" e-mail? I responded to this e-mail at 2 this afternoon and it went through no problem. Haven't heard back from them yet.

 

[Chris Walker]

You have already indicated so many breaches in the wall in your last few posts, if true, it doesn't matter what they answer.

They cannot compare with Dish's database for any service info or the Chinese Wall is down.

Dish has supposedly leased the transponder space out and claims NPS is doing everything themselves.

NPS doesn't really have to work actively with Dish. They just need Dish's DNS customers info so they can begin this, but they should be able to handle the rest on their own from here out.

 

[Chris Walker]

You never deal with Dish if you only sub to Sky Angel

Right, which is why this arrangement with NPS is entirely legal.

And NPS can look at Dish's database, they just can't "actively work" with them.

 

[Tampa8]

You have already indicated so many breaches in the wall in your last few posts, if true, it doesn't matter what they answer.

They cannot compare with Dish's database for any service info or the Chinese Wall is down.

Dish has supposedly leased the transponder space out and claims NPS is doing everything themselves.

We do not know that at all. It may be perfactly legal for them to give - or even sell their database to NPS - or anyone else. We just do not know. We do know Dish cannot charge for, qualify for and provide Distants. We are all only speculating just how much it matters the assocition now between the two companies, and if using Dish equipment violates the court order.
At this point, there are many posting that they have been denied even though they know they are in a white area. It sounds to me that NPS is doing all the qualifying themselves and providing the service. Again we can only speculate, but I bet if another company wanted to lease space and do the same thing, Dish would do it. They would not care. Leasing space is leasing space.