DIRECTV Catches Hail Mary for NFL Sunday Ticket - Conference notes

[nelson61]

Bloomberg on watching your team out of market.

"--------Each league is made up of competing businesses that, under normal circumstances, would be barred from setting prices together. But the 1961 Sports Broadcasting Act established an antitrust exemption that let the major sports leagues negotiate media deals on behalf of their members, rather than having each team strike its own contracts. It came with a condition: They could only pool broadcast rights for "sponsored telecasting" — programs supported by advertisers and shown for free.

"Congress believed that joint television agreements would help make games more widely available to the public," Representative Scott Fitzgerald, the Wisconsin Republican in charge of antitrust issues in the House, said at the June hearing. "Sixty-five years later, it's fair for this body to ask whether the professional sports leagues have kept up their end of the bargain. In my opinion, they have not, and sports fans are paying the price." ---------

 

[zippyfrog]

Oh, poor Jets. They are the only one it looks like you can get all the games on Sunday Ticket out of market. The first 16 games are all on CBS/FOX.

 

[KyL416]

That upper chart has a bunch of flaws, it assumes the Indianapolis viewer trying to watch the Eagles out of market is either out of range or unaware they can get the Big 4 networks for free with an antenna, and that the only times the local FOX station will air them is when they are facing the Colts on 12/13 and the national Thanksgiving and Saturday before Christmas games, even though they will likely get aired when they have the game of the week and some early windows. There's also a good chance Indianapolis's CBS station will have the 11/22 Steelers/Eagles game in the late window, the 10/18 Panthers/Eagles game might be picked by their CBS station too since the Colts are on FOX that week, along with cross network flexing later in the season. It also assumes that the only thing that viewer or anyone else in their household will want to watch from September until potentially the Super Bowl is Eagles games.

The returning customer $83/mo YTTV + $378/yr Sunday Ticket bundle pricing they chose to get the 9/28 and 10/26 Monday Night Football games (both of which are scheduled for national ABC simulcasts) and 10/11 London NFL Network game requires them to keep YTTV for the entire season, not just for 9/28-10/26. So they wouldn't need FOX One for the local FOX games or Peacock for NBC's Sunday Night Football, or the not listed $8.99 Paramount+ Essential plan for any local CBS games. And the $33 price they list for Peacock is for 2 separate months of Premium Plus at $16.99/mo, even though you can stream Sunday Night Football with the Premium plan at $10.99/mo

The real returning customer pricing in this scenario, if the Eagles reach the playoffs would be $497.94 for YTTV ($82.99/mo for 6 months) + $378/yr for Sunday Ticket + $8.99 for their one Prime Video game = $884.93
Or use an antenna + $8.99 for the one Prime Video game + $29.99 ESPN Unlimited for their London NFL Network game + $480/yr for standalone Sunday ticket as a returning customer = $518.98

If they rather use D2C for the OTA games:
1 month or more of ESPN Unlimited at $29.99/mo for any late season games flexed to Monday Night football, playoffs and the Super Bowl
2 separate months of Peacock Premium at $10.99/mo for Sunday Night Football, and potentially another month if NBC or Peacock has any of their playoff games
1 month or more of FOX One at $19.99/mo for whenever the local FOX station has their games
1 month or more of Paramount+ Essential at $8.99/mo for the likely CBS game and any late season flexed games picked up locally

That would be at least $569.94, as long as the Eagles don't make the playoffs, none of their regional FOX or CBS games are picked up locally or flexed to ABC or NBC, and this hypothetical Eagles fan living in Indy has no plans to watch any TV (including the Super Bowl) after the regular season ends in January.

If they went with new customer pricing, Sunday Ticket would only be $240 for both bundled and standalone subscriptions and the first 3 months of YTTV would be $67.99/mo, which would come out to $701.93 for YTTV+ST+Prime, $278.98 for OTA+ST+Prime+NFLN/ESPN, or at least $329.94 for D2C+ST.

Oh, poor Jets. They are the only one it looks like you can get all the games on Sunday Ticket out of market. The first 16 games are all on CBS/FOX.

For the most part the Jets aren't even available on the CBS stations that neighbor NYC. Hartford's CBS usually goes with the Patriots, Binghamton and Albany usually carry the Bills, Philly's CBS usually goes with the Ravens or Steelers, Scranton's CBS goes for the Steelers.

It's pretty much the opposite for the Chiefs, unless you are in a market where CBS or FOX has to air the other game, most of their games are national or in the late afternoon game of the week windows.

 

[TRG]

Bloomberg on watching your team out of market.

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"--------Each league is made up of competing businesses that, under normal circumstances, would be barred from setting prices together. But the 1961 Sports Broadcasting Act established an antitrust exemption that let the major sports leagues negotiate media deals on behalf of their members, rather than having each team strike its own contracts. It came with a condition: They could only pool broadcast rights for "sponsored telecasting" — programs supported by advertisers and shown for free.

"Congress believed that joint television agreements would help make games more widely available to the public," Representative Scott Fitzgerald, the Wisconsin Republican in charge of antitrust issues in the House, said at the June hearing. "Sixty-five years later, it's fair for this body to ask whether the professional sports leagues have kept up their end of the bargain. In my opinion, they have not, and sports fans are paying the price." ---------

I'm glad I don't watch football anymore.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

DIRECTV wants retailers to go an police local bars and restaurant's for those using YouTubeTV to show NFL SUnday Ticket, and drop them off one of these letters.

Funny thing about it, is it does not give any contact number or anything on how to become legal.

 

[dishrich]

DIRECTV wants retailers to go an police local bars and restaurant's for those using YouTubeTV to show NFL SUnday Ticket, and drop them off one of these letters.

And the dealer gets...someone that's pi$$ed at them & is NOT going to procure service thru THAT dealer - can you say "galling"

 

[PioneerDJ]

Some bars that initially subscribed to Sunday Ticket through EverPass are having a hard time getting refunds… and there's talk of a class action lawsuit

Bar owners are considering legal action after Sunday Ticket bait-and-switch: 'Textbook enshittification'

The NFL-owned EverPass screwed bar owners by claiming Sunday Ticket was leaving DirecTV. Will the league face legal action next?

awfulannouncing.com

https://help.everpass.com/hc/en-us/articles/42559597632535-EverPass-DIRECTV-FOR-BUSINESS-NFL-Sunday-Ticket-FAQs

 

[dishstaller]

can you say "galling"

Yeah....that was kinda my first thought as well.

Why do I have the feeling that this Doug Eichler dude will be out on the golf course while at the same time he expects folks to work for free going around "policing" bars.

Crap like this is why I had to stop watching Undercover Boss....it wasn't good for my blood pressure.

 

[Jimbo]

So, they want the Public to do what they use to have people do back in the day ....

 

[savarese04]

"best teams" and "Cowboys" - two phrases you don't usually see associated with each other

 

[Juan]

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"best teams" and "Cowboys" - two phrases you don't usually see associated with each other

Way way back in the ancient 1970's..roughly 50 years ago...The cowboys would always seem to play the 4 o'clock game on CBS..the game would often bleed over into 60 minutes time slot and unfortunately the entire nation got to see the cowboys win.( making them popular)..but winning and cowboys are mutually exclusive today

 

[Jimbo]

Oh, poor Jets. They are the only one it looks like you can get all the games on Sunday Ticket out of market. The first 16 games are all on CBS/FOX.

What your saying is No One wants to put the Jets on any Primetime slots.

 

[Jimbo]

Way way back in the ancient 1970's..roughly 50 years ago...The cowboys would always seem to play the 4 o'clock game on CBS..the game would often bleed over into 60 minutes time slot and unfortunately the entire nation got to see the cowboys win.( making them popular)..but winning and cowboys are mutually exclusive today

Sadly, the Cowboys will win more than they Lose this year.

 

[dishstaller]

Reading this thread just reinforces my attitude towards sports. Being a Dish and DTV retailer (though not a DTV retailer anymore) has caused me to despise any kind of sport. We end up being the ones people scream at when something is changed and they can't watch what they want to when they want to. If someone walks in my store and says "I'm a NASCAR fan and want to watch all the races". I tell them good luck with that and explain that they are going to have a tough time chasing channels and apps in order to watch them all. Used to be that we could sign them up with a package that had FX (been quite a while so I might be wrong on the channel) and they could watch all the races. Those days are gone.
Imagine being a sports bar owner and trying to secure all the NFL games....you are told one avenue is the ONLY one, you spend thousands only to find out they changed their minds and now other avenues are available. Commercial dealers are the ones catching all the flak.

 

[Jimbo]

Reading this thread just reinforces my attitude towards sports. Being a Dish and DTV retailer (though not a DTV retailer anymore) has caused me to despise any kind of sport. We end up being the ones people scream at when something is changed and they can't watch what they want to when they want to. If someone walks in my store and says "I'm a NASCAR fan and want to watch all the races". I tell them good luck with that and explain that they are going to have a tough time chasing channels and apps in order to watch them all. Used to be that we could sign them up with a package that had FX (been quite a while so I might be wrong on the channel) and they could watch all the races. Those days are gone.
Imagine being a sports bar owner and trying to secure all the NFL games....you are told one avenue is the ONLY one, you spend thousands only to find out they changed their minds and now other avenues are available. Commercial dealers are the ones catching all the flak.

Yup, it's usually the Middle man ...

My job was that way, Sub would call in (CSR) complaining about something not working ... They would take notes and then it was Me that had to go out and deal with thier displeasure with the company ... I'd hear it all ... (can't say I blame them) ... then they would be Happy when I was done !

 

[PioneerDJ]

The "Netflix NFL Gameday" which includes the 5 NFL games and NFL Honors distributed by EverPass will be a business package of itself separate from Sunday Ticket. DirecTV is charging bars (occupancy 1-1000) $500 and larger venues including casinos $5000

cost is essentially $100 or $1000 per game respectively assuming the bar/restaurant owner even plans to be open at 1PM ET/10AM PT on Christmas Day and other factors including which matchup Netflix gets on Week 18 and you're not located in any of teams' OTA simulcast territory…

example LA and Green Bay/Milwaukee markets each have 2 of the games…
Rams Australia game simulcasting on KNBC
that DTV package would feel a bit more expensive for the non Rams and Packers games in those respective markets

DTV is discounting it to $250 for the 1-1000 FCO venues if you also have Sunday Ticket as part of the deal with Everpass

 

[PioneerDJ]

So from what I am hearing ,the Everpass' Peacock Sports Pass package won't be live on DirecTV for Business until Oct 1, but the concern is the MLB Wild Card for Tues 9/29 and Wed 9/30 with Houston playing Chicago White Sox and San Diego playing the Cubs, both exclusively on Peacock and NBCSN, not knowing if either of the series will need a game 3 on Oct 1 or the scheduling scenario depending on the other two series both first 2 games airing on NBC