DirecTV International Dish + SG2100

[tradewinds]

Hi,
I had bought a DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM). I want to use this dish instead for FTA and use back my old 18" pancake dish for 101. I had bought the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) because some international matches were supposed to be on 95 bird but now are on 101 bird. My Questions are as follows:

1) Can the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) be used with a SG2100 without problems or modification?

2) Which would be better (for hook-up and reception using QPH-031 or Xtreme II), using the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) or getting a Wineguard DS2076?. The DS2076 is round and the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) is more oval.

Here are the specs of each:

Wineguard DS2076
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Effective aperture - 76 cm (29.9 in.)
Antenna height - 87 cm (34.3 in.)
Antenna width - 80 cm (31.5 in.)

DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM)
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Couldn't find spec, but it is 87CM (36")


Thank you.

 

[Mr Tony]

Hi,
I had bought a DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM). I want to use this dish instead for FTA and use back my old 18" pancake dish for 101. I had bought the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) because some international matches were supposed to be on 95 bird but now are on 101 bird. My Questions are as follows:
1) Can the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) be used with a SG2100 without problems or modification?

should be able to. I dont know what mast size the dish has. Havent seen one of them close up

2) Which would be better (for hook-up and reception using QPH-031 or Xtreme II), using the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) or getting a Wineguard DS2076?. The DS2076 is round and the DirecTV 36" International Dish (87CM) is more oval.

The Winegard is 30" around. The DirecTv dish would be good for 2 LNB's. You could keep the LNB's on that dish and use the LNB for most of the KU band stuff and the DBS LNB for the free audio on Dish 119 (and NASA, GolTV)

 

[tradewinds]

Iceberg. Thank you for the quick reply. The mast on the DirecTV is big, not the same size as the 18" dish mast. Also, if I use the two lnbs (one regular (101) and the other linear (95) ??) which are currently on the DirecTV dish, how would I hook up the two cables (one from each lnb) to the FTA?

Also, which is better to go with, the HH90 or SG2100?

Also, is there a way to split the linear lnb (used for the 95 bird now) to go to the the DirecTV 4x4 SAM-4803 switch and also for that lnb to go to the FTA STB? The reason is I don't want to shoot myself in the foot if DirecTV decides to put back the matches on the 95 bird this year.

Thanks again.

 

[Mr Tony]

Iceberg. Thank you for the quick reply. The mast on the DirecTV is big, not the same size as the 18" mast.

Then the dish will fit just fine on the motor

Also, if I use the two lnbs (one regular and the other linear??) which are currently on the DirecTV dish, how would I hook up the two cables (one from each lnb) to the FTA? Thanks again

A DiseQc switch allows you to hook up to 4 LNB’s to the receiver.

Here is a picture

 

[tradewinds]

Thanks again Iceberg. I guess I was editing my last post when you replied. Sorry about that. I had added the following question.

Also, is there a way to split the linear lnb (used for the 95 bird now) to go to the the DirecTV 4x4 SAM-4803 switch then to DirecTV STB and also for that lnb to go to the FTA STB? The reason is I don't want to shoot myself in the foot if DirecTV decides to put back the matches on the 95 bird this year.

 

[Mr Tony]

Well it is possible. I know the LNB only has one output, so what you would do is use a high frequency splitter (one that is rated to 1500mhz...not the cheapo ones) and split the line…one cord goes to the 4x4 switch (you only need to plug it into the 13v side because DirecTv only uses the vertical side. This is how DirecTV does it).. The other cord can go to the FTA receiver (or the DiseQc switch).

 

[Katrinasucks]

Also, which is better to go with, the HH90 or SG2100?

TW I won't own either for about a week but I've been researching that question for over a month. From reading comments from people who have both and looking at various specs, I've gleaned that they are neck and neck with the SG2100 winning on usability.

The HH120 (not HH90) however, seems like it is able to handle bigger dishes should you ever feel the need to upgrade to a monster dish.

Again- I've been reading reviews and comments for a while and that seems to be as close to a consensus as I can see. (Anyone with more experience want to chime in?)

FWIW, I'm about 95% on the SG-2100 and will only not get it if I got the HH120. Admittedly that is swayed by the fact more people here have the SG so if I have a problem it will be easier to ask a quesiton.

Hope that helps.

 

[tradewinds]

Katrinasucks...thank you for that info. I have also followed it for a while and I think the SG2100 would be my best bet also.

 

[tradewinds]

Iceberg, couple of more questions if you are up for it. You have been tremendous with your very quick replys.

Given the shape of my DirecTV dish, do you think on the SG2100 it will be able to rotate correctly without loosing any PQ or TP or channels?

Also, can your point me to the 1500 switch you would get in this application?

Lastly, I had thought about replacing my two lnbs on the DirecTV Dish with QPH-031 or the Xtreme II (Is this also Linear and Circular??) since it has 0.3. Do you think I will gain anything by doing so from Central Florida region?

Thanks again.

 

[tradewinds]

BTW - Was looking up some of the splitters online and came across an AP (All port Passive) and a non AP version (One Port Passive). Any ideas what this means? Thank you.

 

[Mr Tony]

Given the shape of my DirecTV dish, do you think on the SG2100 it will be able to rotate correctly without loosing any PQ or TP or channels?

It will rotate fine as long as its installed right. Being in Florida, the farther west satellites may be an issue (I’m in Minnesota so I can see the farther west ones better) As long as you have a good line of sight you can pick up the same stuff anyone else can.

Also, can your point me to the 1500 switch you would get in this application?

What do you mean? The switch? They can be found most places. But I know PSB has them (www.psbsatellite.com). He’s a mod here too : )

Lastly, I had thought about replacing my two lnbs on the DirecTV Dish with QPH-031 or the Xtreme II (Is this also Linear and Circular??) since it has 0.3. Do you think I will gain anything by doing so from Central Florida region?

The Xtreme II will only do linear. The advantage of the QPH (quad) is it will do both linear (which is what most FTA is) and circular (the DBS stuff) without having to deal with 2 LNB’s. The LNB on there right now for 95 (Linear) is probably a .6

A .3 will help bring in the weaker signals and may help with rain fade (especially with the light rain)

 

[Mr Tony]

BTW - Was looking up some of the splitters online and came across an AP (All port Passive) and a non AP version (One Port Passive). Any ideas what this means? Thank you.

all ports passive means any receiver can switch the polarity on the LNB

one port passive means only one receiver can change polarity.

If you have more than one receiver hooked to an output of a LNB, only one receievr can control the polarity and the other is the "slave", so if the main receiver is on Horizontal polarity, the slave can only be on that polarity too.

If you are going to get the QPH, then you wouldnt need the splitter

 

[tradewinds]

If you are going to get the QPH, then you wouldnt need the splitter

Becuase the QPH has 4 outputs already. Right?

Now, if I want to give this a try with the two lnbs on there first, do I get a splitter with all ports passive or just one? If just one, where should that be connected to? the 4x4 or the disque?

Just a thought, what is the arc angle for the rotation from between furthest left to furthest right? Thanks.

 

[Mr Tony]

Becuase the QPH has 4 outputs already. Right?

correct. 2 outputs are circular and 2 are linear. So you would need the diseqc switch but not the splitter

Now, if I want to give this a try with the twon lnbs on there first, do I get a splitter with all ports passive or just one? If just one, where should that be connected to? the 4x4 or the disque?

either or. They reallyu both work the same
setup would be
lnb...splitter...one line to...diseqc......FTA receiver
......................other line to...4x4 switch.......directv reciever

 

[Katrinasucks]

Just a thought, what is the arc angle for the rotation from between furthest left to furthest right? Thanks.

70 East, 70 West... What is your zip?

 

[tradewinds]

32801 is zip

 

[tradewinds]

lnb...splitter...one line to...diseqc......FTA receiver
......................other line to...4x4 switch.......directv reciever

What about the SG2100?

 

[Mr Tony]

ah crap thats right...ok new setup...if you are going to use current LNB's

DBS LNB..............................................diseqc port
linear LNB......splitter.....one line to ....diseqc port...motor.......FTA receiver
......................................other line to...............................DirecTV receiver

 

[tradewinds]

Let me give this a try. Please confirm.

lnb-linear.....splitter......one line to........diseqcPort1.........SG2100..........FTA receiver
.................................other line to.....4x4 switch.............................directv receiver

lnb-circular(DBS).....lineA...............................diseqcPort2..........SG2100..........FTA receiver
...........................lineB...............................diseqcPort3..........SG2100..........FTA receiver

Does the above look correct? Thanks.

 

[Katrinasucks]

Orlando, FL 32801
Latitude 28° 32.394'N Longitude 81° 22.362'W

Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
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*** Of Particular Interest ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 142.9 148.5 50.1 -32.0
EchoStar 6 110.0W 228.8 234.4 44.2 41.4
EchoStar 8 110.0W 228.8 234.4 44.2 41.4
EchoStar 7 119.0W 238.2 243.8 37.2 48.3
EchoStar 5 119.0W 238.2 243.8 37.2 48.3
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 240.0 245.6 35.5 49.5
EchoStar 1 148.0W 258.3 263.9 11.9 59.4
EchoStar 2 148.0W 258.3 263.9 11.9 59.4
EchoStar 4 157.0W 263.0 268.6 3.9 60.7

DirecTV 3 81.8W 180.9 186.5 56.7 0.8
DirecTV 2 100.8W 216.4 222.1 50.4 31.4
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 216.4 222.1 50.4 31.4
DirecTV 1 101.0W 216.7 222.4 50.3 31.7
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 217.0 222.7 50.2 32.0
DirecTV 6 109.8W 228.6 234.2 44.4 41.2
DirecTV 5 119.0W 238.2 243.8 37.2 48.3

*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 142.9 148.5 50.1 -32.0
Rainbow 1 61.5W 142.9 148.5 50.1 -32.0
Brasilsat A2 (incl. 5.8 deg) 63.0W 145.2 150.8 51.0 -30.1
Brasilsat B2 65.0W 148.4 154.0 52.1 -27.4
Brasilsat B1 70.0W 157.2 162.8 54.4 -19.9
Nahuel 1 71.8W 160.6 166.2 55.1 -17.0
AMC 6 72.0W 160.9 166.6 55.1 -16.7
Galaxy 12 74.0W 164.8 170.5 55.7 -13.3
SBS 6 74.0W 164.8 170.5 55.7 -13.3
GOES 12 75.0W 166.8 172.5 56.0 -11.5
AMC 5 79.0W 175.0 180.7 56.6 -4.4
DirecTV 3 81.8W 180.9 186.5 56.7 0.8
Nimiq 2 82.0W 181.3 186.9 56.7 1.2
Brasilsat B3 84.0W 185.5 191.1 56.6 4.8
XM Roll 85.0W 187.6 193.2 56.5 6.6
AMC 9 85.0W 187.6 193.2 56.5 6.6
AMC 3 87.0W 191.7 197.3 56.1 10.2
Galaxy 9 91.0W 199.5 205.2 55.0 17.1
Galaxy 11 91.0W 199.5 205.2 55.0 17.1
Nimiq 1 91.0W 199.5 205.2 55.0 17.1
Brasilsat B4 92.0W 201.4 207.1 54.7 18.7
Telstar 6 93.0W 203.3 208.9 54.3 20.3
Galaxy 8I (incl. 1.0 deg) 95.0W 206.9 212.5 53.5 23.4
Galaxy 3C 95.0W 206.9 212.5 53.5 23.4
Telstar 5 97.0W 210.3 216.0 52.5 26.3
Inmarsat 2 f2 (incl. 1.7 deg) 98.0W 212.0 217.6 52.0 27.8
Galaxy 4R 99.0W 213.6 219.2 51.4 29.1
DirecTV 2 100.8W 216.4 222.1 50.4 31.4
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 216.4 222.1 50.4 31.4
AMC 4 101.0W 216.7 222.4 50.3 31.7
DirecTV 1 101.0W 216.7 222.4 50.3 31.7
AMSC 1 101.1W 216.9 222.5 50.2 31.8
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 217.0 222.7 50.2 32.0
AMC 1 103.0W 219.7 225.3 49.1 34.1
Solidaridad 1 (incl. 2.8 deg) 103.5W 220.4 226.0 48.7 34.7
AMC 2 105.0W 222.5 228.1 47.8 36.4
G-Star 3 (incl. 11.5 deg) 105.0W 222.5 228.1 47.8 36.4
G-Star 1 (incl. 6.0 deg) 105.0W 222.5 228.1 47.8 36.4
MSAT 1 106.5W 224.5 230.1 46.7 38.0
Anik F1 107.3W 225.5 231.1 46.2 38.8
Anik E1 109.2W 227.9 233.5 44.8 40.6
DirecTV 6 109.8W 228.6 234.2 44.4 41.2
EchoStar 6 110.0W 228.8 234.4 44.2 41.4
EchoStar 8 110.0W 228.8 234.4 44.2 41.4
Anik E2R 111.1W 230.1 235.7 43.4 42.4
Solidaridad 2 113.0W 232.2 237.8 42.0 44.0
Morelos 2 (incl. 4.4 deg) 114.9W 234.2 239.8 40.5 45.4
XM Rock 115.0W 234.3 239.9 40.4 45.5
SatMex 5 116.8W 236.1 241.7 39.0 46.8
Anik E2 118.7W 237.9 243.5 37.4 48.1
DirecTV 5 119.0W 238.2 243.8 37.2 48.3
EchoStar 7 119.0W 238.2 243.8 37.2 48.3
EchoStar 5 119.0W 238.2 243.8 37.2 48.3
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 240.0 245.6 35.5 49.5
Galaxy 10R 123.0W 241.7 247.4 33.8 50.7
Galaxy 5 125.0W 243.4 249.0 32.1 51.8
Galaxy 12 125.0W 243.4 249.0 32.1 51.8
Galaxy 13 127.0W 244.9 250.6 30.4 52.7
Telstar 7 129.0W 246.5 252.1 28.7 53.6
Satcom C3 131.0W 247.9 253.5 26.9 54.5
Galaxy 1R 133.0W 249.3 254.9 25.2 55.3
Satcom C4 135.0W 250.6 256.2 23.4 56.0
GOES 10 135.5W 250.9 256.6 23.0 56.1
AMC 7 137.0W 251.9 257.5 21.7 56.6
AMC 8 139.0W 253.1 258.8 19.9 57.2
Inmarsat 2 f3 (incl. 1.9 deg) 142.0W 254.9 260.6 17.2 58.0
EchoStar 1 148.0W 258.3 263.9 11.9 59.4
EchoStar 2 148.0W 258.3 263.9 11.9 59.4
TDRS 9 (incl. 7.4 deg) 151.0W 259.9 265.6 9.2 59.9
TDRS 10 (incl. 6.2 deg) 151.0W 259.9 265.6 9.2 59.9
EchoStar 4 157.0W 263.0 268.6 3.9 60.7

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