Galaxy12 moving to 129.

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If this has been posted before...please forgive me. I saw this today and figured you guys might be interested.

PanAmSat Licensee Corp. seeks to modify the authorization for its Galaxy 12 space station to relocate Galaxy 12 to, and to operate the space
station at, the 129.0 W.L. orbital location using the C-band frequencies of 3700-4200 MHz and 5925-6425 MHz. PanAmSat seeks a continued
waiver of Section 25.283(c) of the Commission's rules in connection with its request.
 
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photoman76

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I saw that also. The other part of the story is that Galaxy 27 which is currently at 129° West, will be moved to 45° East. Galaxy 27 is a damaged C/Ku satellite which has seen primarily Ku use since it went spinning out of control a number of years ago. Most of us are familiar with it because that's where White Springs TV was. Galaxy 12 is a C band only satellite which has been an in orbit spare at 123° West.
 
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Since WSTV left the only thing I've seen on 129W has been a data TP
12100
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30000

so if they move G12 there and G27 out of there, then the furthest west sat will be 127?
 
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well techncially 129W DBS would be but there is nothing free on there anymore either :(
 
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Since WSTV left the only thing I've seen on 129W has been a data TP
12100
H
30000

so if they move G12 there and G27 out of there, then the furthest west sat will be 127?


That data transponder was supposed to shut down March 1, but has been extended until the 15th. (for now) Starband had a ton of customers there.
 
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Galaxy 27 has left 129° West and is moving to it's new home. Galaxy 12 has not yet started moving to 129° West.
 
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.... PanAmSat seeks a continued
waiver of Section 25.283(c) of the Commission's rules in connection with its request.

I know I'm responding to one of the older posts in this thread, but on reading it again, I couldn't help being curious about what Section 25.283(c) referred to. ( It seemed to have something to do with a waiver not to decommission the sat after it's original mission has been completed)

However on glancing at the nearby regulations, I noticed that there was still Section 25.281 on the books, which is the Captain Midnight law requirring an ATIS subcarrier for identifying the uplink facility via Morse code. What surprised me is that the wording of this section seems to not only apply to the analog transponders, but also digital. Ie it says it applies to all broadband transponders "carrying broadband video information" .
I know that this was intended for the analog transponders, but many of the digital transponders we tune would fit this description, and they certainly don't have any ATIS subcarrier.
I guess the bottom line is that it's easier for the guys in Washington to create laws and regulations than it is to remove one.


I also ran my tracking program, and it looks like G27 is moving WEST at 1.8 deg/day. I guess I expected that it would move east, since it's a slightly shorter trip.
 
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this section seems to not only apply to the analog transponders, but also digital. Ie it says it applies to all broadband transponders "carrying broadband video information" .
I know that this was intended for the analog transponders, but many of the digital transponders we tune would fit this description, and they certainly don't have any ATIS subcarrier.

digital carriers could still ID themselves - using the SID, provider ID, and/or NIT.
 
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digital carriers could still ID themselves - using the SID, provider ID, and/or NIT.

They could put the requirred info in the NIT, but none of them do. There's too much requirred info (ie telephone numbers, etc) to be handled via SID or provider IDs.
Changing the regulation to have them put it in the NIT would have been a logical way to amend the original regulation, but they probably couldn't figure out a way to word it so as not to be specific to specific modes, like DVB/DCII/DSS, etc. The reg still seems to insist on morse code on a subcarrier, which they definately aren't doing.

Not a big deal, I just foud it interesting that the reg still seemed to be there.
 
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Not a big deal, I just foud it interesting that the reg still seemed to be there.

yep, I'd rather have it on the books and unenforced than to have congress screw something up trying to update it.

I just wish the FCC worry about keeping media (*cough* NBC and Comcast *cough*) from getting too big and powerful.
 
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On April 6, 2010, the Satellite Division granted, with conditions, the request of PanAmSat Licensee Corp. for special temporary authority for a
period of 60 days, commencing on April 6, 2010, to drift its C-band space station, Galaxy 12 to - and to operate it temporarily at - the 129.0 º
W.L. orbital location. Accordingly, PanAmSat is authorized to conduct Telemetry, Tracking, and Command operations necessary to drift Galaxy
12 from the 122.9º W.L. orbital location to the 129.0º W.L. orbital location using the following frequencies: 4198.0 and 4199.875 MHz (Vertical/
space-to-Earth); 4198.0 and 4199.875 MHz (Left-Hand Circular Polarization/space-to-Earth); 6424.5 MHz (Horizontal/Earth-to-space); and
6425.5 MHz (Right-Hand Circular Polarization/Earth-to-space). Additionally, PanAmSat is authorized to operate Galaxy 12 in the 3700-4200
MHz (space-to-Earth) and 5925-6425 MHz (Earth-to-space) frequency bands to provide fixed-satellite service (FSS) temporarily from the 129.9º
W.L. orbital location once it arrives at that location.
 
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The hot drift is from 133.3° West to 133° West, not 129° West. Galaxy 12 will be staying at 133° West.
 
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Space News claims Intelsat lost control/contact of Galaxy 15 on April 5th. The transponders are continuing to function. Hopefully they will regain control.
 
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