In the end, I think Scott's original intent still stands: Anyone who thinks Dish is the only provider who has disputes with networks is ignorant. Take off the blinders....
Who knows? Maybe Direct will have their own dispute with Disney come contract time, and channels will be removed? Who has the crystal ball around here?
Then what are you going to say?
Yep. The greatest labor union success story is the maritime unions. GREAT pay and conditions. If you can find a job. Or an American flag ship. Which exist only by laws requiring certain items to be shipped on American flag ships under certain conditions. Absolutely not competitive otherwise, and haven't been for decades.
OH - and how about Detroit?
Well, I'll shut up now, or this will be closed and sent to Sonicbabble.
But the fact remains, all satcos and cablecos will have, and do have, disputes. Dish finds it in their interest to be more public with their dirty laundry. I don't know why. But I'm inclined to think, if they didn't, our bills would be higher still!
Now first off please understand I am not defending Dish on some of their receient programming changes...
I am posting this to show that the issues are not just limited to DISH.
Looks like in Southern California viewers will lose all DISNEY owned channels including ESPN.
Time Warner has launched a website explaining its view of things... Home | Roll Over or Get Tough
And Disney has responded with their own website I Have Choices - As fans of ESPN and ABC, you should know the facts
I do agree with Time Warner and am starting to wonder how much is too much. I know for myself I had to cut back my services and downgrade my programming package as it was getting too damn expensive...
But they're growing in the government sector.
The auto manufactures made their own fate. They keep putting out inferior products against Honda and Toyota. Don't keep blaming the working man for managements mistakes.
Enough of that, but I agree with hall. Didn't Time Warner subs almost miss the oscars this year because of a dispute with ABC? Most cable companies still don't have NFL network!
They only remember the dispute that resulted in loss of programming THEY watched.and how many disputes has Dish had?
a lot more than "1"
It's illegal. Corporations cannot act in concert with one another to the detriment of a competitor.
Fortunately labor organizations are on their way out.
To date only 7% of the private sector workforce is unionized.
Its obvious you haven't spent much time around the RSN's. D* has about 3 times the HD college games and Pro Baseball, Football, Hockey, Nascar Hot Pass, Soccer.about how great Direct is and the only difference is Season Ticket..... I think you give ST too much credit in the die hard fanbase. Of course you continually skew things to make Direct looks so wonderful without much credence.
Those mergers are typically two companies wishing to join for the betterment of both. They are always subject to the scrutiny of the SEC and the US Dept of Justice. So you're spot on...Well, technically, if all corporations in an industry act in concert then there is no competition in that industry, and the act is illegal. If some of the corporations act in concert then it's illegal unless the Justice Department lets them merge. In general, however, I believe that just acting in concert, regardless of the consequences, is illegal.
Unions certainly aren't illegal. Laborers are allowed to join unions and bargain collectively. If your argument is that only some of the workforce is unionized, that's fine, but if a corporation is unionized then it has to bargain with that union so the union does have monopoly power in that "market".
If Disney wants to get the dispute ended one way or another why don't they quit "Mickey Mousing" around and go ahead and pull Espn and Espn 2 HD from Dish's lineup. That way they will lose $15 million subscribers (homes and business's). One side would cave in quick! lol
Those mergers are typically two companies wishing to join for the betterment of both. They are always subject to the scrutiny of the SEC and the US Dept of Justice. So you're spot on...
On the other hand unions are seen as businesses or groups that represent certain employees in a certain industry. They are for all intents and purposes worker "agents"...
BTW there is no law per se that mandates a company MUST do business with a union. Be careful.
Remember unions represent union member workers .Not ALL workers. So in theory, when a union contract expires, the sides have the option to no longer do business. Here, I am XYZ corp. My employees are members of the ABC union...
Our agreement expired yesterday. The ABC union people come to me with a contract demand I am not in favor of. The ABC union refuses to negtotiate.ABC threatens a strike. XYZ's response is "ok, ABC , we no longer wish to do business with you. I am annoucing that this facility is closing. You are free to take your member workers and find them jobs elsewhere."......I now have no workers. But I can close up shop or quickly hire new people and start up again...Or the workers I had, can renounce their union membership and come back to work.
The point is a union does not have absolute bargaining privledges.
Back in the day when unionism was very popular, companies were forced to the bargaining table because even non-union people supported unions. No longer. People that want to work will slide right in and replace a union worker in a New York minute...
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On the other hand unions are seen as businesses or groups that represent certain employees in a certain industry. They are for all intents and purposes worker "agents"...
BTW there is no law per se that mandates a company MUST do business with a union. Be careful.
Remember unions represent union member workers .Not ALL workers. So in theory, when a union contract expires, the sides have the option to no longer do business. Here, I am XYZ corp. My employees are members of the ABC union...
Our agreement expired yesterday. The ABC union people come to me with a contract demand I am not in favor of. The ABC union refuses to negtotiate.ABC threatens a strike. XYZ's response is "ok, ABC , we no longer wish to do business with you. I am annoucing that this facility is closing. You are free to take your member workers and find them jobs elsewhere."......I now have no workers. But I can close up shop or quickly hire new people and start up again...Or the workers I had, can renounce their union membership and come back to work.
The point is a union does not have absolute bargaining privledges.
Back in the day when unionism was very popular, companies were forced to the bargaining table because even non-union people supported unions. No longer. People that want to work will slide right in and replace a union worker in a New York minute...
Hemi 6.1 said:D* has VS.
Okay. But I bring this up because we don't know what the next carriage negotiation has in store...robstudio said:Sure they do... now.. they did not during the entire time it took me to decide which service I wanted to invest in. Which was SEVERAL months.
Hey, I'm glad you found a better solution for you. Let's keep it real here though, it's not just dish having issues. What was the original title of this thread again???
Dish Network was without "Versus" for almost seven months.In October 2005, OLN elected not to provide its NHL coverage to a number of distributors, including EchoStar (Dish Network) and Cablevision, which both refused Comcast's request to place Versus on a much higher-penetration package. During this time, Versus blacked out NHL coverage on these systems, replacing them with other programming. It is believed that the reason behind these blackouts had to do with a penalty fee that Comcast would have had to pay the NHL if they did not significantly increase their distribution.[citation needed]
While Cablevision eventually came to an agreement making OLN/Versus available to any customer with digital cable, EchoStar retaliated by pulling OLN from its service; it was Dish Network's stance that few of its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising rates. On April 24, 2006, the same date that OLN announced the late-September name change to Versus, Dish Network and OLN reached a long term agreement to restore the channel.
You want E* to go out of Business?
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