No Signal-NADA!!

[Gandolf]

Hello Everyone,

I need some help please!
I and the system are new and I can't get a signal no mater what I do?

I have a lifetime ultra.
a sg-2100 rotor.
a 36" dish and a universal LNB

All the mounting practices have been followed.
The mast is straight and there are no obstructions.
I have bypassed the motor also (which works good)
The results are the same either way.
The rg6 cable (dish) is plugged into Sat-in. I have a menu on the screen and all the functions work.
I have almost wore the bolts out on the dish adjustments trying to get a signal with no results.
No mater what I do it changes nothing.
Any ideas?
Thanks

 

[PSB]

Hello and welcome to the SatelliteGuys.US FTA/Mpeg2 forum.

Let us know what satellite you are going for....and maybe your zip code and we can give you your true south satellite, maybe you know already.
But you have to enter the coordinates of a live channel on your true south satellite then watch for signal quality on the TV screen in the antenna setup screen.

You will need the Frequency/ Polarity/ symbol rate for the channel you are using to find the satellite. Hopefully we can help you get it up and running!

For a Universal LNBF use "Universal 1 LNB Type"
9750/10600

 

[Gandolf]

Thanks Pete,
I understand(I think) what you are saying but I don't know how to do most of it.
Zip code 77563

 

[PSB]

Hitchcock, TX 77563
Latitude 29° 20.388'N Longitude 94° 59.556'W

Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
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*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 126.5 122.2 40.0 -44.5
Rainbow 1 61.5W 126.5 122.2 40.0 -44.5
Brasilsat A2 (incl. 5.8 deg) 63.0W 128.1 123.8 41.1 -43.3
Brasilsat B2 65.0W 130.3 126.0 42.6 -41.6
Brasilsat B1 70.0W 136.4 132.1 46.2 -36.9
Nahuel 1 71.8W 138.8 134.6 47.4 -35.0
AMC 6 72.0W 139.1 134.8 47.5 -34.8
Galaxy 12 74.0W 141.9 137.7 48.8 -32.5
SBS 6 74.0W 141.9 137.7 48.8 -32.5
GOES 12 75.0W 143.4 139.1 49.3 -31.3
AMC 5 79.0W 149.7 145.4 51.5 -26.1
DirecTV 3 81.8W 154.4 150.2 52.8 -22.1
Nimiq 2 82.0W 154.8 150.5 52.9 -21.8
Brasilsat B3 84.0W 158.4 154.1 53.7 -18.7
XM Roll 85.0W 160.2 155.9 54.1 -17.2
AMC 9 85.0W 160.2 155.9 54.1 -17.2
AMC 3 87.0W 164.0 159.7 54.7 -13.9
Galaxy 9 91.0W 171.9 167.6 55.5 -7.1
Galaxy 11 91.0W 171.9 167.6 55.5 -7.1
Nimiq 1 91.0W 171.9 167.6 55.5 -7.1
Brasilsat B4 92.0W 173.9 169.6 55.6 -5.3
Telstar 6 93.0W 175.9 171.7 55.7 -3.5
Galaxy 8I (incl. 1.0 deg) 95.0W 180.0 175.7 55.8 0.0
Galaxy 3C 95.0W 180.0 175.7 55.8 0.0 True South
Telstar 5 97.0W 184.1 179.8 55.7 3.6
Inmarsat 2 f2 (incl. 1.7 deg) 98.0W 186.1 181.8 55.6 5.3
Galaxy 4R 99.0W 188.1 183.9 55.5 7.1
DirecTV 2 100.8W 191.7 187.4 55.2 10.2
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 191.7 187.4 55.2 10.2
AMC 4 101.0W 192.1 187.8 55.1 10.5
DirecTV 1 101.0W 192.1 187.8 55.1 10.5
AMSC 1 101.1W 192.3 188.0 55.1 10.7
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 192.5 188.2 55.1 10.9
AMC 1 103.0W 196.0 191.7 54.7 13.9
Solidaridad 1 (incl. 2.8 deg) 103.5W 197.0 192.7 54.5 14.7
AMC 2 105.0W 199.8 195.5 54.0 17.2
G-Star 3 (incl. 11.5 deg) 105.0W 199.8 195.5 54.0 17.2
G-Star 1 (incl. 6.0 deg) 105.0W 199.8 195.5 54.0 17.2
MSAT 1 106.5W 202.6 198.3 53.5 19.5
Anik F1 107.3W 204.0 199.7 53.2 20.8
Anik E1 109.2W 207.3 203.0 52.4 23.6
DirecTV 6 109.8W 208.3 204.1 52.1 24.5
EchoStar 6 110.0W 208.7 204.4 52.0 24.7
EchoStar 8 110.0W 208.7 204.4 52.0 24.7
Anik E2R 111.1W 210.5 206.2 51.5 26.3
Solidaridad 2 113.0W 213.6 209.3 50.5 28.8
Morelos 2 (incl. 4.4 deg) 114.9W 216.5 212.2 49.4 31.2
XM Rock 115.0W 216.6 212.3 49.3 31.3
SatMex 5 116.8W 219.2 215.0 48.3 33.5
Anik E2 118.7W 221.9 217.6 47.0 35.6
DirecTV 5 119.0W 222.3 218.0 46.8 35.9
EchoStar 7 119.0W 222.3 218.0 46.8 35.9
EchoStar 5 119.0W 222.3 218.0 46.8 35.9
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 224.9 220.6 45.5 38.0
Galaxy 10R 123.0W 227.3 223.1 44.1 39.9
Galaxy 5 125.0W 229.7 225.4 42.6 41.7
Galaxy 12 125.0W 229.7 225.4 42.6 41.7
Galaxy 13 127.0W 231.9 227.6 41.1 43.3
Telstar 7 129.0W 234.0 229.7 39.6 44.9
Satcom C3 131.0W 236.0 231.7 38.0 46.3
Galaxy 1R 133.0W 237.9 233.6 36.4 47.6
Satcom C4 135.0W 239.7 235.4 34.8 48.8
GOES 10 135.5W 240.2 235.9 34.3 49.1
AMC 7 137.0W 241.5 237.2 33.1 50.0
AMC 8 139.0W 243.1 238.8 31.4 51.0
Inmarsat 2 f3 (incl. 1.9 deg) 142.0W 245.4 241.2 28.9 52.5
EchoStar 1 148.0W 249.7 245.5 23.7 54.9
EchoStar 2 148.0W 249.7 245.5 23.7 54.9
TDRS 9 (incl. 7.4 deg) 151.0W 251.7 247.4 21.1 55.9
TDRS 10 (incl. 6.2 deg) 151.0W 251.7 247.4 21.1 55.9
EchoStar 4 157.0W 255.4 251.1 15.8 57.5

So it looks like the G3C satellite is your true south satellite, enter the below coordinates and then watch for signal quality in the antenna set up screen. I would take the motor off if I were you, and find and store the satellite. Other wise here are the settings for the motor.......

Motor elevation= 61 deg.
Dish elevation= 25 deg.


CCTV-9

Dfreq: 11780 MHz / (H) / SR : 20.760 Msps

 

[Gandolf]

I once had Direct TV with the dish mounted to a pine tree, and I had no trouble zeroing in on the satellite and did it alone.

 

[PSB]

This is a wee bit more sensitive, we are talking millimeters here where as with DBS(Dish/Directv) installs its more like centimeter movements of the dish when it comes to finding the signal. A compass is a real help to get you in the ball park but without the coordinates you will be messing about all day. If you feel you are close try a power scan and take a break for a few minutes as it scans, see the below PDF for an easy set up guide.....

http://www.adventistsat.com/downloads/InstallDiSEqC.pdf

 

[Gandolf]

OK, Pete
I set the dish true south and the elevation to 55.
Checked the settings for LNB type uni-1 9700-10600, lnb power-on and scanned the satellite.
Same thing, Nothing

 

[Gandolf]

I can't even seam to find the PDF???
OK got it

 

[PSB]

Motor elevation= 61 deg.

Dish elevation= 25 deg.

-----------------------------------------

Dish Elevation=56 deg (IF USING NO MOTOR)

 

[Gandolf]

The motor is still there, what should I set the motor to if I don't use it on this sat.
If I could only once get a signal I could figure it out.
When you have worked for days and still no signal, well you know. And to think I had 6 years of RF electronics in the 70's which included parabolic radiators!
Thanks, for staying with me.

 

[PSB]

You have to set it up to your true south satellite.....take the motor off and try to find the satellite without it.....you can add it anytime, make sure the motor is at the ZERO position and leave it there until you find your true south satellite, it will all click soon enough. Read over the PDF and it will all become clear. ( or Clearer )

All the other angles for other satellites are in the above chart, unless there is something blocking your signal to G3C I would stick with that.......

 

[Gandolf]

I will stick to that sat. until I get it. If I take off the motor I will need to find a smaller mast, the motor is mounted to a 2.25" mast.
If I remember right the lines of isogonic force run almost correct through this region maybe +/- a few degrees, I will check that also.
I will get back later.
Thank you, Wayne

 

[PSB]

Yes you are right you are round about the same longitude as me, so you will be pointing nearly exactly south..... (Mag. Dev. in your area= -4 deg.)

http://www.geo-orbit.org/sizepgs/magmapsp.html

You will get it!

 

[Gandolf]

After setting the angles I looked for the strongest signal moving the dish left and right . Then I moved it up and down until I found the strongest signal.
1. Level 57%
2. Quality 0%
Could there be anything else wrong, everything is new. Any way to check a lnb?

 

[PSB]

Remember not to move the dish from the zero position, the dish/motor and all can be rotated on the pole, but never motor the dish until you hit your true south.

Everyone says it must be the LNB, but unless you have dropped it, over tightened the connector then tried to remove it, it will not be the LNBF.

Did you manage to enter the above channel details for CCTV-9 ?
Then its very small movements until you see quality on the meter, signal strength means nothing.
Again I suggest taking the motor out of the equation and try to find the satellite with just the dish to start. Thats the way I started, its a good way to learn.

 

[Gandolf]

CCTV-9

Dfreq: 11780 MHz / (H) / SR : 20.760 Msps
I don't know what this means?

 

[PSB]

11780 is the frequency of the channel.

H is a Horizontal Polarized channel.

20.760 is the symbol rate of the channel.


http://www.coolstf.com/mpeg/

 

[Gandolf]

Are all these things changeable? or are they preselected?
It's hard for me to believe (though it may be true)
That this type of equipment with this steep of a learning curve is available to the public with no real explanation revealing this level complexity or degree difficulty associated with the initial start-up.
I am also of the opinion that if this degree accuracy is required then no rotator can be precise enough to accurately track a satellite.
I'm also a ham radio operator and have spent 10 times as much on rotators that only possess half the required accuracy and stability.
I realize that there is a substantial difference in gain but not necessarily in directivity.
Sorry had to rant!!

 

[PSB]

You need to enter them (Changeable).......if you think you are close try a Power scan!

 

[Gandolf]

I find no place in the menu to do this?
I find a channel edit section, however there is no way to do anything because there is no channel data.
Do you need a quality signal to make the adjustments you speak of?
How do you scan for a signal when there is no quality? It has always come up empty.