Not Looking Good for Bluray
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Old news, in reply to the two outdated stories posted:
The "negatives" on Blu-ray are bunk. Blu-ray is currently outselling HD-DVD by about 3 to 1.
Vivid is producing a porn title on Blu-ray- "Debbie Does Dallas Again." There are 2 basic concerns with limited porn replication: Sony institutionally is cautious in this country (porn is available on Sony media in Japan) - and Disney got burnt.
There was a well publicized incident where a porn title was on a Disney tape sold to some family. I think at the end of the Disney movie, part of a porn movie continued. It was apparent that someone at the factory recorded a Disney title over a tape that previously had a porn movie on it, but did not overwrite to the end of the tape. Since the porn movie seems to have been longer than the Disney movie, some was left on the tape.
Because of this, Disney instituted some rules on anyone replicating Disney media. This pretty much translates into the replicator deciding to do Disney or porn, but can't do both. There is at least one replicator out there that will do porn on Blu-ray. As the market expands, this will no doubt grow.
Coatings were developed that work just fine. The fears of scratch susceptibility were addressed. The new hard coatings make Blu-ray at least as protected as HD-DVDs. And by being closer to the surface, it allows for more layers and greater future capacity. Six and eight layer Blu-ray discs have been demonstrated, to over 200 GB. HD-DVD can never hope to match Blu-ray for capacity, because each HD-DVD layer is about 15 GB, compared to Blu-ray's 25 GB, and more Blu-ray layers can be placed on a disc.
The "negatives" on Blu-ray are bunk. Blu-ray is currently outselling HD-DVD by about 3 to 1.
Vivid is producing a porn title on Blu-ray- "Debbie Does Dallas Again." There are 2 basic concerns with limited porn replication: Sony institutionally is cautious in this country (porn is available on Sony media in Japan) - and Disney got burnt.
There was a well publicized incident where a porn title was on a Disney tape sold to some family. I think at the end of the Disney movie, part of a porn movie continued. It was apparent that someone at the factory recorded a Disney title over a tape that previously had a porn movie on it, but did not overwrite to the end of the tape. Since the porn movie seems to have been longer than the Disney movie, some was left on the tape.
Because of this, Disney instituted some rules on anyone replicating Disney media. This pretty much translates into the replicator deciding to do Disney or porn, but can't do both. There is at least one replicator out there that will do porn on Blu-ray. As the market expands, this will no doubt grow.
Coatings were developed that work just fine. The fears of scratch susceptibility were addressed. The new hard coatings make Blu-ray at least as protected as HD-DVDs. And by being closer to the surface, it allows for more layers and greater future capacity. Six and eight layer Blu-ray discs have been demonstrated, to over 200 GB. HD-DVD can never hope to match Blu-ray for capacity, because each HD-DVD layer is about 15 GB, compared to Blu-ray's 25 GB, and more Blu-ray layers can be placed on a disc.
i think that he inadvertently switched the links in his two posts. I am not convinced by them either but the first link deals with the porn indutry situation and he probably meant to include that in the post where he quoted comments on that situation.
The posts are old and outdated anyway, and debunked.
Does anyone doubt porn will be available on Blu-ray in the future? If both formats survive, both will have porn.
Does anyone doubt porn will be available on Blu-ray in the future? If both formats survive, both will have porn.
Like I said I am not convinced by them either but he was a t least trying to makea relevant post.
I just noticed- the original story on that negativity angle was done in the UK. I think in 2006 there were only 10,000 high def discs of any persuasion sold in the UK. They haven't begun marketing HD there yet. Remember, HDTV will be slower there because of the licensing fees for home TVs.
It's interesting about the complaints of "forcing" people to buy the Blu-ray player in the PS3. Generally made by anti-PS3 people trying to justify their position. The software is distributed on Blu-ray. Did people complain about being "forced" to have a game cartridge slot on the old video games? Sure, it's more expensive- but holds more/larger games per disc, and offers a movie capability.
It's interesting about the complaints of "forcing" people to buy the Blu-ray player in the PS3. Generally made by anti-PS3 people trying to justify their position. The software is distributed on Blu-ray. Did people complain about being "forced" to have a game cartridge slot on the old video games? Sure, it's more expensive- but holds more/larger games per disc, and offers a movie capability.
Hardly. Just countering outdated info that's already been debunked.
3 to 1. If it's in trouble, why is Blu-ray outselling HD-DVD by 3 to 1?
3 to 1. If it's in trouble, why is Blu-ray outselling HD-DVD by 3 to 1?
It's not 3 to 1, it's 2 to 1. I'll take the 3/25/07 Neilsen scan reports of 44 to 100. That's closer to 2 to 1 than 3 to 1.
As I posted elsewhere, from this link (dated 3/28/07, I think) we get:
"...Blu-Ray has already surpassed HD-DVD in overall discs sold, and is currently outselling HD-DVD discs at about a 3:1 rate...."
and
"... the Nielsen sales data shows the same thing: Blu-Ray discs are outselling HD-DVD by a steadily increasing margin...."
and
"...Many of Disney, Fox and Sony’s biggest box office movies will release exclusively on Blu-Ray in the next three months, likely pushing the sales separation between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD to a margin where many retailers will begin phasing out HD-DVD. Retailers hate a format war even more than consumers, and I suspect they’ll take the initiative to end it as quickly as possible...."
Granted, this is one of those "cheering squad" articles and hardly a dispassionate reporting of the news. But until we see the actual reporting data, these articles are all we have.
If you have a link to Nielson or elsewhere refuting this, I'd like to see it.
"...Blu-Ray has already surpassed HD-DVD in overall discs sold, and is currently outselling HD-DVD discs at about a 3:1 rate...."
and
"... the Nielsen sales data shows the same thing: Blu-Ray discs are outselling HD-DVD by a steadily increasing margin...."
and
"...Many of Disney, Fox and Sony’s biggest box office movies will release exclusively on Blu-Ray in the next three months, likely pushing the sales separation between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD to a margin where many retailers will begin phasing out HD-DVD. Retailers hate a format war even more than consumers, and I suspect they’ll take the initiative to end it as quickly as possible...."
Granted, this is one of those "cheering squad" articles and hardly a dispassionate reporting of the news. But until we see the actual reporting data, these articles are all we have.
If you have a link to Nielson or elsewhere refuting this, I'd like to see it.
Yes, it does indeed. It means the current year's "sales gap" between BD/HD DVD is not widening, as many predicted/reported/hoped.
It also means that HD DVD is not "dying", as many predicted/reported/hoped, and neither format is going away anytime soon. And I don't see any problem with that. When DVD burner drives first came out there was a lot of confusion over the +R / -R recording formats, and a lot of folks weren't going to "spend a dime on either format" until was clearly the winner. Both formats co-exist just fine.
As reported by digital bits under DVD HD disc sales.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/index.html#mytwocents
100 to 42.13 or 2.37 to 1 (Videoscan, 3/25/07) - I'll accept that as more likely to be accurate than the source I quoted. I should have checked there- I sometimes visit that site.
So that's close enough to the end of the quarter to call it. Quite short of the prediction of 3.5 to 1.
Now the question is, will the gap grow over the second quarter? Lot's of good releases coming out of both camps. Maybe the Disney releases will carry the day. Maybe not.
So that's close enough to the end of the quarter to call it. Quite short of the prediction of 3.5 to 1.
Now the question is, will the gap grow over the second quarter? Lot's of good releases coming out of both camps. Maybe the Disney releases will carry the day. Maybe not.
There are currently more BD players in the market then HD-DVD players -- this is including all standalone and console players. The way I see it the only way HD-DVD will outsell BD on any title is one in which it is the only format (ie Universal). While there are big titles coming out on both formats BD supporting studios really hold the edge over HD-DVD (Universal again) in number of big titles to be released.
You guys want the truth? You can't handle the truth! While HD-DVD enjoyed their day in the sun BD sales have been increasing incrementally every week. HD-DVD has not -- in fact they have slowed down. With new releases maybe HD-DVD can get back to their heyday of discs sales but BD is only going to continue to grow simply because of the number. The number of players, the number of titles, the number of consumers to purchase their product and just when the kids get out of school -- Disney is going to be riding in with PIXAR on BD. Maybe HD-DVD isn't dead but I don't see them going anywhere either.
You guys want the truth? You can't handle the truth! While HD-DVD enjoyed their day in the sun BD sales have been increasing incrementally every week. HD-DVD has not -- in fact they have slowed down. With new releases maybe HD-DVD can get back to their heyday of discs sales but BD is only going to continue to grow simply because of the number. The number of players, the number of titles, the number of consumers to purchase their product and just when the kids get out of school -- Disney is going to be riding in with PIXAR on BD. Maybe HD-DVD isn't dead but I don't see them going anywhere either.
Even if everything you say is true, creating a post like this does nothing and adds nothing to the forum, except creating back and forth bickering between members. Why would you revel in the demise of something that other people have invested in?
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Well, we do all have something to gain by there being a single format. Or at least everything available in both formats. Most of us don't want to buy players for both.
I read in several places that there are about 5 times the number of devices that play Blu-ray movies as devices that play HD-DVD. But the sales difference is not quite half that number. That, I suppose, is attributable to PS3 owners not buying titles at the rate stand alone player owners do. It will be interesting to see what happens when the next Sony player comes out, at the lower price point.
I read in several places that there are about 5 times the number of devices that play Blu-ray movies as devices that play HD-DVD. But the sales difference is not quite half that number. That, I suppose, is attributable to PS3 owners not buying titles at the rate stand alone player owners do. It will be interesting to see what happens when the next Sony player comes out, at the lower price point.
JonUrban;862686]Even if everything you say is true, creating a post like this does nothing and adds nothing to the forum, except creating back and forth bickering between members. Why would you revel in the demise of something that other people have invested in?
Title of this thread is "Not looking Good for BluRay" . My response was not reveling in the demise of HD-DVD. As a matter of fact HD-DVD continues to sell. However, my statement was to the effect that while HD-DVD sales are consistant but not increasing the fact is that BD sales are increasing weekly. The bottom line is that it is looking very good for BD right now and not so good for HD-DVD. Doesn't mean HD-DVD is going anywhere real soon - just that the title really should have been "Not looking Good for HD-DVD".
BTW, my comment 'You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!' was a pun - I guess it wasn't ovious enough?
While I support BD lets face the facts. Until one of these formats goes away neither will really take off. People are just going to set on the fench and watch the carnage. If it is BD that fails then I will gladly buy a HD-DVD player but I really don't think that this is what will happen.
Title of this thread is "Not looking Good for BluRay" . My response was not reveling in the demise of HD-DVD. As a matter of fact HD-DVD continues to sell. However, my statement was to the effect that while HD-DVD sales are consistant but not increasing the fact is that BD sales are increasing weekly. The bottom line is that it is looking very good for BD right now and not so good for HD-DVD. Doesn't mean HD-DVD is going anywhere real soon - just that the title really should have been "Not looking Good for HD-DVD".
BTW, my comment 'You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!' was a pun - I guess it wasn't ovious enough?
While I support BD lets face the facts. Until one of these formats goes away neither will really take off. People are just going to set on the fench and watch the carnage. If it is BD that fails then I will gladly buy a HD-DVD player but I really don't think that this is what will happen.
