Some questions before install

[Ambizytl]

I now have DirecTV, and will Dish installer remove DTV dish and replace with Dish? Same holes?

My understanding is the 4K Joey doesn't do HDR or dolby-vision--is that correct?

Is the 4K Joey placed horizontally only or vertically as well?

Does it matter which feed goes to Hopper 3 or Joey 4K?

 

[HipKat]

1 - No. He may take down the DTV Dish - I normally do but some guys won't - but the mast feet stay bolted into the roof. That's your seal. If you or someone you know wants to go up and take the mast feet out, they're 1/2" lags and maybe fill the holes with Black Jack, but I consult a roofing company. Dish won't do it because of the liability of damaging the roof. Plus DTV uses the same or similar Pitch Patch/Bishop's Tape that we use and that bonds to the asphalt after time, making it harder to separate the foot form the roof. The masts are 2 different sizes - ours is smaller - so the existing mast can't be used. Some subs/Retailers carry adapters, but they're not Dish Authorized.

Ask your installer about alternate mounts like corner or fascia mounts. A pole is possible, but Dish REALLY tries to get us to avoid poles at all costs - unless there's just no choice. It requires the Dish to sit on a temp mount for a week waiting for a locate service to mark the area and a return visit to permanently mount the pole and bury the cable. Also, poles are the easiest damaged. They get run into by people, lawn mowers, kids hang off them and water collects in the pole, rusting at the base from the inside out.

2 - There is no Dolby-vision and I'm not sure about HDR. In the years they've been out, I've installed 2. If you only have 1 4K TV, that's where the Hopper 3 should go. It's a 4K Receiver that does HDR and it'll save you $50.00 per 4K Joey. The Hopper is a system. The Hopper itself doesn't have to go at the "main" TV - other than aesthetics. But the Hopper is the Host - it needs to be cable in a distinct way. The Joeys do not and are only clients. Since the Hooper is what's doing everything at all the TV's and the Joeys are barely more than glorified computer monitors, they can run off splitters and have no real cabling requirements

3. The 4K Joey is only about 3/16' of an inch thick (and probably about 8" x 6")- it can go however you like and uses VHF remotes, like all Hoppers and Joeys do, so it can be hidden behind the TV, etc.. out of sight.

 

[JSheridan]

I now have DirecTV, and will Dish installer remove DTV dish and replace with Dish? Same holes?

My understanding is the 4K Joey doesn't do HDR or dolby-vision--is that correct?

Is the 4K Joey placed horizontally only or vertically as well?

Does it matter which feed goes to Hopper 3 or Joey 4K?

Call your local retailer if you have a good one. We use a really nice DISH approved pole adapter on the DirecTV bracket so new new holes.

 

[Ambizytl]

1 - No. He may take down the DTV Dish - I normally do but some guys won't - but the mast feet stay bolted into the roof. That's your seal. If you or someone you know wants to go up and take the mast feet out, they're 1/2" lags and maybe fill the holes with Black Jack, but I consult a roofing company. Dish won't do it because of the liability of damaging the roof. Plus DTV uses the same or similar Pitch Patch/Bishop's Tape that we use and that bonds to the asphalt after time, making it harder to separate the foot form the roof. The masts are 2 different sizes - ours is smaller - so the existing mast can't be used. Some subs/Retailers carry adapters, but they're not Dish Authorized.

Ask your installer about alternate mounts like corner or fascia mounts. A pole is possible, but Dish REALLY tries to get us to avoid poles at all costs - unless there's just no choice. It requires the Dish to sit on a temp mount for a week waiting for a locate service to mark the area and a return visit to permanently mount the pole and bury the cable. Also, poles are the easiest damaged. They get run into by people, lawn mowers, kids hang off them and water collects in the pole, rusting at the base from the inside out.

2 - There is no Dolby-vision and I'm not sure about HDR. In the years they've been out, I've installed 2. If you only have 1 4K TV, that's where the Hopper 3 should go. It's a 4K Receiver that does HDR and it'll save you $50.00 per 4K Joey. The Hopper is a system. The Hopper itself doesn't have to go at the "main" TV - other than aesthetics. But the Hopper is the Host - it needs to be cable in a distinct way. The Joeys do not and are only clients. Since the Hooper is what's doing everything at all the TV's and the Joeys are barely more than glorified computer monitors, they can run off splitters and have no real cabling requirements

3. The 4K Joey is only about 3/16' of an inch thick (and probably about 8" x 6")- it can go however you like and uses VHF remotes, like all Hoppers and Joeys do, so it can be hidden behind the TV, etc.. out of sight.

Thank you so much for answering. Dish employee told me their dish would go in same spot as DTV, and, in same holes. My wife doesn't want two dishes on the roof and neither do I. As for the 4K Joey, the reason I wanted it that way is noise associated with Hopper 3 from what I've read.

Anyway, this all seems like a moot point since there would be two dishes. But, hey, thank you very much for answering.

 

[JSheridan]

Thank you so much for answering. Dish employee told me their dish would go in same spot as DTV, and, in same holes. My wife doesn't want two dishes on the roof and neither do I. As for the 4K Joey, the reason I wanted it that way is noise associated with Hopper 3 from what I've read.

Anyway, this all seems like a moot point since there would be two dishes. But, hey, thank you very much for answering.

The vast majority of Hopper 3's are very, very quiet.

 

[Ambizytl]

The vast majority of Hopper 3's are very, very quiet.

Quiet is subjective. I am very sensitive to fan and harddrive noise, which is why I have solid state hdds in my computer. I also have fan speeds so low I cannot hear them. My TV is located around 4-5 feet from where I sit on the computer--not on top

My DTV equipment is quiet to silent. I cannot hear any type of noise from the HR54, and absolutely nothing from my C61 genies(no hdd and no fan).

If the Hopper was silent, we still don't want two dishes on the roof. Attaching Dish to pole on DTV dish does not sound like a good idea to me. That would be two stories up and strong winds may be an issue, aside from appearance. But, thanks for answering.

 

[jackson85]

My Hopper is very quiet. And, it's good to know that the Hopper is compatible with 4K TV. I do have a 4K TV that has a regular Joey. I have debated about getting the 4K Joey.

 

[Ambizytl]

My Hopper is very quiet. And, it's good to know that the Hopper is compatible with 4K TV. I do have a 4K TV that has a regular Joey. I have debated about getting the 4K Joey.

My understanding is the 4K Joey will not do HDR or DolbyVision, The Hopper 3 will do HDR, but not sure about DolbyVision. My DTV genies do both.

 

[HipKat]

My understanding is the 4K Joey will not do HDR or DolbyVision, The Hopper 3 will do HDR, but not sure about DolbyVision. My DTV genies do both.

I can't find anything that shows the 4K Joey support HDR. Whoever said you can use the same holes as the DTV mount was wrong

BTW, Dolby Vision is the brand name for HDR 4IK video format developed and promoted by the folks that brought us Dolby Surround and all its subsequent permutations. To use the Dolby Vision logo on a TV or Blu-ray player, manufacturers must pay to certify their products and license the name. The Dolby HDR format is also used in video production, making it a professional as well as a consumer brand.

 

[Ambizytl]

I can't find anything that shows the 4K Joey support HDR. Whoever said you can use the same holes as the DTV mount was wrong

BTW, Dolby Vision is the brand name for HDR 4IK video format developed and promoted by the folks that brought us Dolby Surround and all its subsequent permutations. To use the Dolby Vision logo on a TV or Blu-ray player, manufacturers must pay to certify their products and license the name. The Dolby HDR format is also used in video production, making it a professional as well as a consumer brand.

I know that with my LG OLED TV I've seen shows in 4K HDR and 4K DolbyVision, and sometimes with Atmos sound (DV). I believe DTV has broadcasted in both HDR and DV on their 4K channel.

Yes, if that Dish employee had told me what you know, I never would have entertained the idea of Dish TV. It was a great offer with $300 dollar prepaid card, but too many issues.

 

[HipKat]

I know that with my LG OLED TV I've seen shows in 4K HDR and 4K DolbyVision, and sometimes with Atmos sound (DV). I believe DTV has broadcasted in both HDR and DV on their 4K channel.

Yes, if that Dish employee had told me what you know, I never would have entertained the idea of Dish TV. It was a great offer with $300 dollar prepaid card, but too many issues.

Are you serious?? I mean, less than 1% of all programming is in 4K, so I don't see that being an issue. And these are just MY opinions, but 4K and 4K HDR - I see almost NO difference. I mean, if has to look THAT good, go see it live lol!!
You want to compare Billing?? Receiver Technology?? Rain performance? A company that's growing onto the future vs one that AT&&&T ran into the ground and is potentially dropping Satellite service in about 18 months?

Unless you're have a long list that you haven't posted in here, the ONLY issues I see is HDR on a 4K Joey that you can solve by putting the Hopper where that TV is, unless there's an issue there and where the Dish gets mounted of which I listed other possible alternatives. There's a reason why years worth of rumors of DTV buying out Dish have changed to Dish buying out DTV...

Pardon my rant, like I said, just my own opinions

 

[ncted]

UHD: meh
UHD HDR: noice!

1080p HDR would probably have been all anyone really needs.

 

[HipKat]

UHD: meh
UHD HDR: noice!

1080p HDR would probably have been all anyone really needs.

I think posted a video I found on here one time about how our eyes don't even see that true resolution and it's just a placebo effect

 

[charlesrshell]

I think HDR is awesome. I still have the 2018 Winter Olympics Closing Ceremony in my recordings. I think 4K HDR is all we need too.

 

[JSheridan]

Quiet is subjective. I am very sensitive to fan and harddrive noise, which is why I have solid state hdds in my computer. I also have fan speeds so low I cannot hear them. My TV is located around 4-5 feet from where I sit on the computer--not on top

My DTV equipment is quiet to silent. I cannot hear any type of noise from the HR54, and absolutely nothing from my C61 genies(no hdd and no fan).

If the Hopper was silent, we still don't want two dishes on the roof. Attaching Dish to pole on DTV dish does not sound like a good idea to me. That would be two stories up and strong winds may be an issue, aside from appearance. But, thanks for answering.

I have Hopper 3's and an HR54 in a stack and the Hoppers are just as quiet as the HR54.

It's not a 'pole' that goes on the DirecTV mast, it's a very secure and very nice adapter.

Sounds like you're looking for reasons why not to switch to DISH so you'll probably be happier with your DirecTV.

 

[Ambizytl]

Are you serious?? I mean, less than 1% of all programming is in 4K, so I don't see that being an issue. And these are just MY opinions, but 4K and 4K HDR - I see almost NO difference. I mean, if has to look THAT good, go see it live lol!!
You want to compare Billing?? Receiver Technology?? Rain performance? A company that's growing onto the future vs one that AT&&&T ran into the ground and is potentially dropping Satellite service in about 18 months?

Unless you're have a long list that you haven't posted in here, the ONLY issues I see is HDR on a 4K Joey that you can solve by putting the Hopper where that TV is, unless there's an issue there and where the Dish gets mounted of which I listed other possible alternatives. There's a reason why years worth of rumors of DTV buying out Dish have changed to Dish buying out DTV...

Pardon my rant, like I said, just my own opinions

I see the difference between 4k HDR and 4k DV on my LG OLED. There are different settings by default on my TV for HDR and DV.

If I were to download a movie from DTV that is 4K HDR or DV, then that is what I would see with my Genie w/o HDD or fan. See my post #6 regarding my environment.

I haven't had any issues with AT&T (DTV) with regards to billing, technology, or rain. I have had one instance this past year where signal loss was noted during a storm.

I enjoy watching baseball in 4K HDR or DV. Yes, it is a rare occasion, but nice when it happens. The most crucial thing is installation of the Dish. Dish technical support told me their 4K Joey supports DolbyVision. Lie #? She also told me the Dish would be installed where the signal is best--Ummm? Anyway, she also said they could use a pole. Now, my house is two stories high and DTV dish is up at highest point. The reason is we have lots of trees in the area--high trees! A pole is not something we are interested in. The adapter is something you said was not Dish approved. So, how would they do it? They could remove DTV dish and fill holes and install their dish. We don't really want more holes in the roof, which is 23 years old.

Aside from all that, no YES network and no SNY channel as well. I knew about HBO, but found out last night about YES and SNY. Some games are blacked out on ESPN and MLB Network that can be seen on YES and SNY.

 

[Ambizytl]

I have Hopper 3's and an HR54 in a stack and the Hoppers are just as quiet as the HR54.

It's not a 'pole' that goes on the DirecTV mast, it's a very secure and very nice adapter.

Sounds like you're looking for reasons why not to switch to DISH so you'll probably be happier with your DirecTV.

I was not the one who brought that pole into the conversation. My post above does mention the pole and should be understood why it is not desired.

The HR54 is not in my den, the fanless, hdd-less genie is--no sound whatsoever: and it does HDR and DV.

The adapter you mention is according to what I'm told not Dish approved.

 

[JSheridan]

I was not the one who brought that pole into the conversation. My post above does mention the pole and should be understood why it is not desired.

The HR54 is not in my den, the fanless, hdd-less genie is--no sound whatsoever: and it does HDR and DV.

The adapter you mention is according to what I'm told not Dish approved.

You don't even know what adapter I'm talking about and it is DISH approved. A 'Quick Pipe' adapter is not approved and this is not that.

 

[Ambizytl]

You don't even know what adapter I'm talking about and it is DISH approved. A 'Quick Pipe' adapter is not approved and this is not that.

Well, Dish tech support that supposedly conferred with an installer did not mention any adapter for installation. What I was told is in my previous post.

 

[JSheridan]

Well, Dish tech support that supposedly conferred with an installer did not mention any adapter for installation. What I was told is in my previous post.