Torre is the Worst Manager

[DodgerKing]

Joe Torre is the worst manager in baseball when it comes to pitching decisions.

There is one reason and one reason only why the Dodger bullpen is the most over used bullpen in baseball, and it has nothing to do with the quality of their starters; it simply has to do with one man only, Joe Torre. I cannot tell you how many times he pulled a starter out of a game when that starter was dominating the game, and that starter could have easily gone at least one more inning.

Today is just another example of Torre's stupid managing. Kershaw was dominating the Cards for 8 innings. Torre pulled him out in the 9th to bring in Broxton only because Broxton is the closer. Why in the hell does the closer always have to close? A good opportunity to save the bullpen, yet again, was just ruined by another stupid Torre move.

Well needless to say, Broxton ended up blowing the save with 2 broken bat singles and a wild pitch after 2 outs. Now the game is going extra innings and guess what? Yep, they are going to have to overuse their bullpen again. A game in which the entire bullpen could have taken the day off is no longer the case.

All Torre had to was leave Kershaw in. The worst he could have done is allowed them to tie it (which happened anyway). At least they would have had one less inning in which the bullpen was used. Even if Kershaw gave up more than one run, the Cards would have won the game and the bullpen would still not have been used.

 

[DodgerKing]

This loss (which hasn't happened yet, but will) is on Torre. I wish the manager got tagged with the loss or the blown save instead of the pitcher.

 

[wallypa]

I think most managers will do the same given that scenario. And I think Torre is one that will always go by the "book". But I understand your frustration.

On the other hand, Bochy will leave Lincecum or Cain to finish the game in that kind of situation.

 

[Claude Greiner]

I agree, if a starting pitcher is doing good then they should be left in the entire game if the pitch count is low enough.

Too many times I have seen this happen with the Tigers where the starting pitcher will be doing a great Job and they will pull him in the 8th and give up the game.

 

[Jimbo]

I agree, if a starting pitcher is doing good then they should be left in the entire game if the pitch count is low enough.

Too many times I have seen this happen with the Tigers where the starting pitcher will be doing a great Job and they will pull him in the 8th and give up the game.

It wouldbe different if the Tigers had a lights out Closer, but they don't ...
That said, Jackson has lost at least 3-5 wins this year due to the Bullpen and JV at least 3

Jimbo

 

[HD MM]

Cleveland is glad to take Torre off your hands if L.A. hates him so much....

 

[salsadancer7]

Joe Torre is the worst manager in baseball when it comes to pitching decisions.

Oh PLEASE, Dusty "the Arm killer" Baker is by far, THE WORST manager in ALL of baseball when it comes to handling pitcher.

Ask Kerry Wood...
Ask Mark Pryor...
Ask Jason Schmidt...
Ask Russ Ortiz...

ALL were pretty good pitchers and ALL had some major injury due to more than likely over use and way too many innings after good ole Dusty got a hold of them.

 

[SandraC]

It's easy to blame the manager when something goes wrong. If Torre leaves the starter in the game and they lose, he would get blamed for that too.

Bottom line is Broxton needs to save that game regardless of who he replaced on the mound. It was a tough luck blown save with the wild pitch and a broken bat single to center that tied it up, but again, if Broxton is going to blow saves the Dodgers are going to have a bigger problem than Joe Torre.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

Oh PLEASE, Dusty "the Arm killer" Baker is by far, THE WORST manager in ALL of baseball when it comes to handling pitcher.

Ask Kerry Wood...
Ask Mark Pryor...
Ask Jason Schmidt...
Ask Russ Ortiz...

ALL were pretty good pitchers and ALL had some major injury due to more than likely over use and way too many innings after good ole Dusty got a hold of them.

Add Zambrano to that list too, he spent alot of time on the DL due to a major injury after good ole "Arm Killer" got there.

 

[Ramy]

Oh PLEASE, Dusty "the Arm killer" Baker is by far, THE WORST manager in ALL of baseball when it comes to handling pitcher.

Ask Kerry Wood...
Ask Mark Pryor...
Ask Jason Schmidt...
Ask Russ Ortiz...

ALL were pretty good pitchers and ALL had some major injury due to more than likely over use and way too many innings after good ole Dusty got a hold of them.

I have yet to see him do anything wrong with the Reds staff.

 

[DodgerKing]

It's easy to blame the manager when something goes wrong. If Torre leaves the starter in the game and they lose, he would get blamed for that too.

I agree he would have been. This has been a pattern all year. He does not let his strarters go deep enough. The reason why the Dodger bullpen has pitched more innings than any other bullpen in baseball is not because his young starters cannot pitch 7, 8, or 9 innings, it is because he does not let them pitch that many innings. He pulls them out too early.

In last night's game, why would you take a starter out in the 9th who was literally dominating the entire game with a low pitch count just to bring in your closer? This game was Kershaw's to win or lose and it should have been up to Kershaw to blow it. He deserved to stay in the game.

Now because if Torre's decision, the game went 15 innings and the bullpen was placed with another unnecessary burden of overuse.

Let Kershaw blow it and at least the bullpen would have still been saved.

Bottom line is Broxton needs to save that game regardless of who he replaced on the mound. It was a tough luck blown save with the wild pitch and a broken bat single to center that tied it up, but again, if Broxton is going to blow saves the Dodgers are going to have a bigger problem than Joe Torre.


Sandra

I agree, it was more bad luck than anything. It was also a result of the Dodgers inability to hit with people on base, but that is a different issue.

The Cards had no luck with Kershaw. Why bring in someone different that can change the luck (which he did)?

 

[anders5189]

Let's see. 4 WS titles, 6 AL pennants, got to the NLCS last year, and currently has the best record in baseball. Yeah he really sucks. Somebody needs to learn to calm down and remember that their are 162 games and last night's game is meaningless.

 

[DodgerKing]

Let's see. 4 WS titles, 6 AL pennants, got to the NLCS last year, and currently has the best record in baseball. Yeah he really sucks. Somebody needs to learn to calm down and remember that their are 162 games and last night's game is meaningless.

Torre is a good manager in many ways, especially when it comes to chemistry. But he is the worst when it comes to determining when to take a pitcher out of the game. There is no escaping the fact that the Dodgers bullpen has been overused because of Torre. There is no escaping the fact that they overused the bullpen last night (a game in which the starter could have completed the game) because of Torre as well.

 

[salsadancer7]

I have yet to see him do anything wrong with the Reds staff.

He is not a quick disease....just a slow, festering to one. Look at all the very good pitchers he has had in every single team he has managed....and then look at all the injuries.

 

[anders5189]

Torre is a good manager in many ways, especially when it comes to chemistry. But he is the worst when it comes to determining when to take a pitcher out of the game. There is no escaping the fact that the Dodgers bullpen has been overused because of Torre. There is no escaping the fact that they overused the bullpen last night (a game in which the starter could have completed the game) because of Torre as well.

There's no escaping the fact that the Dodgers are 62-39 and were nearly unbeatable while Manny was suspended. You'd have thought Torre would have left this type of knee jerk criticism behind in New York. I thought you Dodger fans were laid back. Arrive to the game in the 3rd inning, leave after the 6th, talk on you cell phones while you're there. Since when did you guys start paying attention to who was pitching?

 

[KCK_Halo]

Torre is a good manager in many ways, especially when it comes to chemistry. But he is the worst when it comes to determining when to take a pitcher out of the game.

Oh, I think Jim "Micro-Manager" Tracy has Joe beat out by far for the No.1 spot in that department. You must remember those many nights when he managed the Dodgers and would not bend from the "6 from the starter, 2 from relievers, 1 from closer" mentality no matter what the score or situation was.

 

[DodgerKing]

Second day in a row they are going extra innings. Why? Three reasons:

Their anemic offense cannot produce when it counts

Their overused bullpen is too tired and blew it again

The main reason, Torre cannot manage pitching. Again, he pulls a starter out of the game when he is cruzing with a minimal pitch count. Kuroda gets pulled out after 6 innings for no reason at all, except for the fact that Torre doesn't know what he is doing. Here we are wasting valuable innings yet again.

 

[SabresRule]

Second day in a row they are going extra innings. Why? Three reasons:

Their anemic offense cannot produce when it counts

Their overused bullpen is too tired and blew it again

The main reason, Torre cannot manage pitching. Again, he pulls a starter out of the game when he is cruzing with a minimal pitch count. Kuroda gets pulled out after 6 innings for no reason at all, except for the fact that Torre doesn't know what he is doing. Here we are wasting valuable innings yet again.

P.S. Dodgers won.

 

[DodgerKing]

P.S. Dodgers won.

At an unecessary expence of the bullpen. Which hurts them down the road, as it already has in some games.

 

[SandraC]

Wow, best record in the league with a lineup and pitching staff that is far from best in the league. And you lose your best player for 50 games.

Some people are never happy.


Sandra