Well, At Least Lloyd Carr Gets It Over With Right Away!!!
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Joe, You are spending too much time watching second tier teams (MSU, DETROIT LIONS). We expect to win Big Ten championships and National championships. The truth of the matter is that Carr has run a respectable program. He has managed to avoid the problems the basketball team couldn't avoid. For that he has my respect, but we can run a clean program and win National championships. Take a look at USC as an example. I think that MSU looks at a good season as one where they beat Michigan. If that makes you happy, so be it, but the truth of the matter is we are perrenially a top10 team, and our goals are higher. There will be no shortage of coaches lining up for the Michigan job when it opens up. Arrogant? Why shouldn't we be? Maybe if MSU had a little more attitude they wouldn't be the Detroit Lions of the Big Ten. For the record Joe, my daughter graduated from MSU. She doesn't understand either how they can run such a superb basketball program, and yet not have a clue about football.
I've been there - Penn State fans are in a category all there own. How do they manage to stand the whole game? Definitely the most loyal and rabid fans in the Big Ten.
Despite Michigan's loss, they are listed as a 7 1/2 pt. favorite over Oregon. Didn't the oddsmakers watch the game? Or do they know something I don't know? In their defense, they probabily don't have the Big Ten network in Las Vegas. Still find it odd.
I route for your defined "second tier teams", I probably watch more of what you call "first rate" teams. I am a sports fan overall, so I do know what I am talking about.
For example: Your example of USC. unless you are talking solely on recent years, before 2004 USC did not win a BCS championship since 1978. As I said before, modern day college football is far more competitive in recent years.
I do not disagree with you that the Michigan has a prestigious football program. In my opinion it is the best in football history. But like I said, the game is more competitive now. With much more talent, schools being more flexible academically, T.V. Contracts, and more money, I think it is a huge achievement what Michigan has done in recent years under Carr.
F.Y.I. With the launch of the Big Ten network, all the Big Ten teams will have more money rolling into their programs, so you canexpect even more competition in the Big Ten alone.
It is not about being a first or second rate team, it is about the competition out there. Should Michigan have lost to Appalachian State? No. Did Carr have a huge part in the loss? You bet! He should have warned the team to take the game seriously, and rode their butt to make sure they do. But games like that is what makes sports great to watch. Because a giant like Michigan can fall to Appalachian State, people continue to watch. Otherwise why tune in?
but has lloyd carr won a national championship? for that matter, has he won a big ten championship?
I thought that thinking was stomped out by the butt whipping that USC gave them in the Rose Bowl.
Re-Broadcast
OT - I'm reading in the paper this morning that the game is going to be re-broadcast tonight on 13 Fox Sports Net stations. I'm having no luck finding out if we'll get it on one of our affiliates in L.A.
Does anyone know?
I would love to see that game.
OT - I'm reading in the paper this morning that the game is going to be re-broadcast tonight on 13 Fox Sports Net stations. I'm having no luck finding out if we'll get it on one of our affiliates in L.A.
Does anyone know?
I would love to see that game.
If you are asking a serious question... yes and yes. National champs 1997 if I am not mistaken, and Big Ten Championships 1997, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2004.
yes, i was asking a serious question because i couldn't remember. thanks for your answer!
Believe me, The people setting the line see the games, at least the big boy schools ...
Jimbo
Paul,
I'd be carefull what you call a second rate team, theres a good chance that second rate team you were talking about (MSU) beats the Maize and Blue this year....
Jimbo
You don't become a "second tier" team in one season, it takes years of mediocrity. Yes MSU may beat Michigan, every 5 yrs or so it happens. This is a very serious rivalry, second only to Michigan and the evil OSU.
GO BLUE!
Hasn't the competition always been there? The biggest change in the last 20 yrs. has probabily been in recruiting, there is a bigger emphasis on national recruiting. Michigan's loss definitely will be felt in this arena of competition. It was a great game to watch, just wish it would have happened to some other national power. This was akin to a 16th seed winning in the NCAA basketball tournement. (That will happen some year)!
I would say the competition has not always been there. The Big Ten would always have Michigan as a contender, and one other team. Usually Ohio State, or Penn State. In the last decade we have seen Wisconsin, Penn State on a regular basis, and Iowa stepping it up big every year. On any given game with a match up between any of those teams it could go either way. 10 years ago or more, that would not be the case.
Joe, the Big 2 and the little 8, ended with Schembeckler and Hayes. When you look past the overall numbers, you see where Carr has failed. 3 straight losses to Ohio State are unacceptable to a University whose main goals are 1. Beat Ohio State. 2. Beat Ohio State. 3. Win a national title. 4. Beat MSU. 5. Beat Ohio State. We attract alot of recruits just because we are Michigan. Carr's recent recruiting efforts have been found lacking, and his game preparation has been sad. We're getting tired of rolling over the patsies and losing in the big games. Now we've lost to a patsy. Totally unacceptable for Michigan. 109,000 people every Saturday want more. Being an also ran may be okay in East Lansing, but it doesn't fly in Ann Arbor. Actually, I'm pretty sure it doesn't sit well in East Lansing either. Why else would they have gone through so many coaches in the last 25 years?
