More NPS BS to Misinform the public.

[tvropro]

Got this letter today from NPS. It ain't telling the whole story and now states programming will end December 30th. I enclosed the original letter and a version with the truth NPS don't tell you.

I spoke to someone higher up at NPS the other day about something. He informed me that NPS will be shutting down completely by year end. At least that will end all this BS press that's happening. We need SRL and Skyvision to step up to the plate ASAP and inform all that NPS is not telling the whole truth to force the few left to stupid Charlievision. Im trying to get the word out here!

I don't understand why Skyvision and SRL keep sitting on the side and are allowing more subscribers to be lost. I wish Mike Kohl could shed some light on that.

 

[Dishman Dan]

WHAT AN IDIOT!!!

This sounds like a campaign letter/commercial for the upcomming election... All BS!!!

This letter is also in the Halloween spirit...
He uses the word "costumer", I think that is someone that sells you a costume!!! I think that the moron was refering to former customers!!!

 

[pendragon]

I don't want to read too much into this, but I do find it odd that with barely two months to go, neither SRL nor Skyvision has anything meaningful posted on their web sites to encourage NPS refugees to switch over. I have noticed some tidbits that HITS is experimenting with DVB-S2. If they were take that path, existing DCII consumer hardware could quickly become door stops. There would still be the possibility of my oft-suggested option of using modern Shaw Direct receivers, but no one seems to think much of that idea.

 

[crackt]

I don't want to read too much into this, but I do find it odd that with barely two months to go, neither SRL not Skyvision has anything meaningful posted on their web sites to encourage NPS refugees to switch over. I have noticed some tidbits that HITS is experimenting with DVB-S2. If they were take that path, existing DCII consumer hardware could quickly become door stops. There would still be the possibility of my oft-suggested option of using modern Shaw Direct receivers, but no one seems to think much of that idea.

very viable now that shaw actually produced the dsr-630. kinda resembles fta hardware.

crackt out,.

 

[tvropro]

He uses the word "costumer", I think that is someone that sells you a costume!!! I think that the moron was refering to former customers!!!

I didn't even catch that, hahaha... They can't even spell right, must be the college education Mountford has. The truth slipped out it's all about cost, and Mike couldn't make what he wanted so he destroyed the golden goose.

 

[tvropro]

I don't want to read too much into this, but I do find it odd that with barely two months to go, neither SRL nor Skyvision has anything meaningful posted on their web sites to encourage NPS refugees to switch over. I have noticed some tidbits that HITS is experimenting with DVB-S2. If they were take that path, existing DCII consumer hardware could quickly become door stops. There would still be the possibility of my oft-suggested option of using modern Shaw Direct receivers, but no one seems to think much of that idea.

I think what's holding up the campaign is the contracts need to be finalized for the 4DTV with Comcast. The only way this can become long term is they will have to look into a new receiver, technology will keep moving forward. I heard somewhere that the 410's has a contract to 2013 right now.

 

[Davage]

This letter is also in the Halloween spirit...
He uses the word "costumer", I think that is someone that sells you a costume!!! I think that the moron was refering to former customers!!!

That's funny.. What's even funnier is that sobongo.com is currently offering free shipping on Halloween Costumes

 

[tvropro]

That's funny.. What's even funnier is that sobongo.com is currently offering free shipping on Halloween Costumes

Hey are they offering one to look like Charlie Ergan? LOL

 

[Corrado]

I asked Mike about this on Sat Talk. He said they couldn't utilize the 4D mailbox message system since the NPS customers would see it. (I thought that would be the point) and could open them to legal action. You would think SRL and Skyvision would be a little more vocal on their websites. If contracts need to be signed...DO IT. The self-fulfilling prophecy is about to come true.

For now they are only adding a message to the renewal billing statements they mail. I'm not losing any sleep over this anyway. I lost my 410 to 10 year old battery and still on the fence about this until Jan 1st. Not sure if I want to turn my 905 or 922 into a 410 just yet until more questions are answered.

 

[Davage]

Not sure if I want to turn my 905 or 922 into a 410 just yet until more questions are answered.

I'm taking a Wait and See approach to it. I have a subscription via SRL still running on my 922, and will keep it active until at least December 22. By then I'm hoping that we hear some news as to whether the whole deal is even going to happen, and IF it does happen, are we able to keep the generic satellite tiles. I've already made the decision to NOT lose the generics. I'll do without C-BAND subscription service if I have to lose the generics - they're fun to play with when channels drop into FP mode.

 

[tvropro]

My attitude is this. If they want me to continue subbing to c band next year at least on my current 922 they will have to supply the generics and current satellite maps, if not it ain't gonna happen. If I really need to sub to HITS I will get a 410 on flea bay or pick up a $25.00 4D for that.

I'm Sure Sky/SRL knows there is allot a stake here. I understand they don't want any legal flack from NPS. Although NPS is selling the biggest line of crap and screwing people out of refunds if they don't drink the forbidden Dish koolaid and getting away with it.The good guys need to step up to the plate and start swinging already.

 

[highskies]

In the past, I was a big supporter of NPS. I just thought it was all BS what most said about them all the time. I haven't been with NPS for several years now, but apparently it wasn't all BS afterall. Right now I absolutely dispise the company. But one thing comes to mind. When they said MOT was ending it's 4dtv data stream at years end, everyone called them liars, including MOT and Skyvision. Putting 2 and 2 together then, NPS probably didn't appreciet being called liars, so they made sure their prediction came true, but when really thinks about it, it wasn't a prediction at all, since MOT had to have been in on it from the start. Otherwise, how in the world did NPS know this would end at yrs end, but MOT and Skyvision didn't? My point being. If NPS says there won't be anyone selling C Band subscriptions after the 1st, then who's to say they aren't right about that also? Like everyone has pointed out here, Skyvision and SRL don't seem to be going out of their way to recruit new customers, or at least trying to get some of NPS' remaining customer base before they all defect to pizza. It wouldn't suprise me if at the last minute, that Skyvision announces it won't work..not because of unsigned contracts, but because of the lack of a suffient customer base. But let's say none of that happens, and they get this going. What's there to look forward to in the future? There will never be any new chs. we'll never get access to those combo feeds. Why would they now find a new receiver for these, when obviously, the customer base would really be low in numbers, when no one ever did this when there were more subscribers? Why now, but not back then? Sorry if this came all jumbled out into one big paragraph. I haven't figured out where the format feature is yet. And I did have some spaces in here, IOW more than one huge paragraph.

 

[tvropro]

NPS probably knew what Motorola needed in numbers to keep the 4DTV data stream up. They knew if they killed that number there would be no turning back. IMHO I think NPS wanted out due to their profit was shrinking and G3 was costing too much, but wanted Motorola to look like the bad guys. So they put all the bad press out there and killed it.

As far as HITS Comcast goes it's not Motorola its Comcast's own division of the ACC. The 410 has contracts till at least 2013 I heard and only has like 6000 subs. The 4D has been proven to work with HITS alone. I think Skyvision/SRL is just tieing up the loose ends with contracts. SRL just got the rights to sell 410 services by themselves before that it was only through Skyvision. I say look for info coming out in December. The only thing is as long as NPS keeps there push to Dish going it will only kill off more before D day.
To Satellite Guys

 

[Newbie_McNoob]

But let's say none of that happens, and they get this going. What's there to look forward to in the future? There will never be any new chs. we'll never get access to those combo feeds. Why would they now find a new receiver for these, when obviously, the customer base would really be low in numbers, when no one ever did this when there were more subscribers? Why now, but not back then?

That's what I've been wondering for a while myself. How long before HITS converts W5 to combo mode or MPEG-4 and we lose the last of what the 4DTV can receive? Why wasn't there a new receiver in the works a few years ago back when the subscriber numbers were much higher than they are now?

I blame Motorola a lot more than I do NPS.
Although if anybody could convince Motorola to make a new receiver: it's Comcast. Comcast is one of Moto's biggest customers what with all the set-top boxes they buy from Moto.

 

[truckracer]

"That's what I've been wondering for a while myself. How long before HITS converts W5 to combo mode or MPEG-4 and we lose the last of what the 4DTV can receive? Why wasn't there a new receiver in the works a few years ago back when the subscriber numbers were much higher than they are now?"

If you look at Direct to Home C band's history ...we have always been sort of outlaws in a way. Not talking about the hackers back in the day but simply we were able to buy high priced programming for dirt cheap and ala carte' when there was none anywhere else. I think at that time the programmers were happy to sell programming. their only concern was "selling their programming"....Now that the programmers put all their eggs in a small amount of big baskets...The programmers have to worry about their few big baskets where all their money comes from such as Directv, Dish, comcast, time warner, etc ...all very big baskets and money sources. If they pull a small deal like selling to us...although it really wouldn't affect the big players at any real measurable level...it would be a political move that would create anger because these big guys want the entire pie...every single slice...not one crumb would they leave alone (c band subbers like us).

The pizza pans and cable companies are extremely aggressive in their political leverage and marketing to suck up every single customer good or bad that they can get...they will never look the other way at even us 18,000 c band customers....because that a gross of approx lets say 18,000 x 65.00 per month...not a lot of money..but its money.

 

[tvropro]

The thing holding up HITS from changing formats is there is allot of commercial hardware out there using the original Digicipher still and it costs $$$$$$ to upgrade. Pizza and cable after your 1st year will hold you up without a gun for any big packages. C band was always fair with picture quality choice and alacart at low prices. Those days are over and the cable/pizza model is commonplace. What a shame that we have to see this demise of the best there ever was.

 

[Genna]

NPS keeps sending me these flyers that say that an average refund to their customers if they switch over to a pizza dish is 500.00 I think that's bogus that it's the "average" refund, a customer service rep told me its more like 100-200.00. They told me mine would be much less. I told the rep I'll think about it, he kept pressuring me to decide right away and it was hell getting off the telephone. I guess they figure a little more false advertising wont hurt. Now that the entire G3 satellite is down, what I usually watch is down and still have no clue what to do yet...worried whatever I buy will go defunct quickly. Isnt the FCC or someone supposed to make sure we're treated fairly ? I have no broadcast TV where I am to speak of.

 

[tvropro]

NPS keeps sending me these flyers that say that an average refund to their customers if they switch over to a pizza dish is 500.00 I think that's bogus that it's the "average" refund, a customer service rep told me its more like 100-200.00. They told me mine would be much less. I told the rep I'll think about it, he kept pressuring me to decide right away and it was hell getting off the telephone. I guess they figure a little more false advertising wont hurt. Now that the entire G3 satellite is down, what I usually watch is down and still have no clue what to do yet...worried whatever I buy will go defunct quickly. isn't the FCC or someone supposed to make sure we're treated fairly ? I have no broadcast TV where I am to speak of.

Do like I did with NPS. I burned through my credit, spending it right away on c band services. Movie channels will eat it up fast. Otherwise you will be forced to get Dish through NPS to ever see that money again. If you really need the G3 channels look into DirecTV. Thats what I did. While Direct is pizza it's not going to Dish Network who is behind the 4DTV fall. If you like whats on W5 and can live with only them get SRL's W5 stuff next year. In the future C band may offer more but not today.

Pro's of C band: Better picture, No rain fade, No contracts.

Con's : Less channels, no DVR.

With Pizza there are contracts, rain fade and the picture can't touch a c band master. But looks better than NPS G3 did.

 

[tvropro]

Cannot believe NPS

I just called NPS and asked them that now that the G3 channels are gone has the uplink fee gone away on the remaining channels? They said NO, so in short they want to pocket every cent they can till the end from any c banders. Looks like Mike is really salting away the profits in a shoe box for himself. :rant:Unbelievable!

Mike said in the chat last year that if G3 went away so would the uplink fee's. Just another lie.

 

[Mr Tony]

and you're surprised???